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TSryder
post Feb 2 2008, 07:02 PM, updated 18y ago

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This might be a very dumb question....but has anyone actually tried to watercool a notebook?.....I remember NEC tried to do this at 2002....but there is no news after that...This is just to find out what people think.. so pls dont flame... smile.gif
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post Feb 2 2008, 07:07 PM

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I think they kinda dropped the idea cos of the lack of mobility smile.gif
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post Feb 2 2008, 07:44 PM

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One word: Rubbish.

- This is not a flame, it's my opinion on watercooling a notebook.
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post Feb 3 2008, 03:29 AM

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What for?That is exactly opposite of how lappie should be.Lappie should be low maintainece and mobility.
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post Feb 3 2008, 03:42 AM

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how bout using a low power consumption water cooler?Just using liquid as medium instead of air?And this is more better at least dun have dust stuck inside cpu and silence.
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post Feb 3 2008, 03:46 AM

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is there anything such as portable water cooler? sweat.gif
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post Feb 3 2008, 03:57 AM

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i dont think they will need watercooling on a notebook as notebook processor are mostly all ULV (ultra low voltage) cpus, if i m not mistaken, the lower power consumption of a current notebook cpu is only 5.5, thats why there is no need to watercool the notebook and as many says watercooling is not mobile anymore smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel...age.2C_65_nm.29

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post Feb 3 2008, 10:44 AM

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Well...i have this theory...since the air intake for laptops come from the bottom where he ram and hdd is..is it possible if a box that has a few compartments where u can put in DI and a fan to blow the air...it will work like one of those zalman notebook coolers...just a theory and is this theory stupid or it is possible?
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post Feb 3 2008, 10:51 AM

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But again, why do you want to have WC for a notebook? If you overclock it by pumping lots of voltages, your notebook battery might last only for 30 mins so I don't see the point? smile.gif
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post Feb 3 2008, 12:52 PM

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some people like me tend to use the notebook for gaming and video editing and animation...and the heat tends to shoot high up for example 80 degrees with my cpu speed set to max
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post Feb 3 2008, 04:08 PM

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For me i just changing the style of cooling medium.Not to get better cooling effect for o/c.Using water cooling is more silent and cleaner.
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post Feb 3 2008, 07:03 PM

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Watercooling a laptop has benefits, like silence. But getting better cooling compared to air would be difficult, a watercooling system that small, it would be hard even to outperform heatpipes. And as mentioned by several people here, battery life is more important than performance in most cases, if the laptop is producing a lot of heat (in high performance hardware configuration) it means the battery is being drained rapidly (where do you think all the electricity is going?).

There is one idea that could have some practical use, but also has its downsides. Having all components immersed in a nonconductive liquid can improve on temps, though it would have to be a sealed, leakproof case. Which will also mean it will be almost impossible to disassemble and service. Idea is based on the oil PC done by tomshardware.

Heatpipes remain the best solution for laptop cooling, its just a matter of it being cost effective enough for someone to design it into a laptop's case (something like thermalright's heatpiped desktop case would be nice).
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QUOTE(Oxburg @ Feb 3 2008, 04:08 PM)
For me i just changing the style of cooling medium.Not to get better cooling effect for o/c.Using water cooling is more silent and cleaner.
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I've never seen a loud notebook. The sound is always acceptable as I've used IBM, DELL, HP so far.
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maybe the old skool P4 laptops leh, like mine, makes noise. I dont mind WC on that. Not for OC purpose but more for heavy duty use for long periods of time. But of course mobility is affected la.
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post Feb 9 2008, 04:23 PM

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what for?? is current cooling system at notebook cant cater the heat problem??
and yeah, about the mobility, sure got problem..
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post Feb 11 2008, 10:50 PM

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but i am sure heavy user that leaves the notebook on for long hours and gaming would like the idea of watercooling.
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well, i personally think its not a feasible solution due to the fact that its just not come to the stage thats WC is mobile. But its a cool idea!
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QUOTE(sup3rfly @ Feb 3 2008, 03:57 AM)
i dont think they will need watercooling on a notebook as notebook processor are mostly all ULV (ultra low voltage) cpus, if i m not mistaken, the lower power consumption of a current notebook cpu is only 5.5, thats why there is no need to watercool the notebook and as many says watercooling is not mobile anymore smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel...age.2C_65_nm.29
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yup
the problem is more on their HDD / GC heat emission..


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post Feb 12 2008, 09:11 AM

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Despite all the new technologies to reduce processor power consumption, the processor and LCD monitor are still the highest power hogs on a laptop, especially when the processor is working hard and the LCD brightness is high. Heat is not a problem for the LCD as it has a lot of surface area to lose heat, so it never really gets hot (at most also only at where the inverter is). But processors have to lose close to 50W of heat (at full load) from a surface as big as a fingernail, even with heatpipes its not that easy to dissipate the heat rapidly enough to prevent temperatures from reaching uncomfortable levels (uncomfortable to your lap, that is). Some parts of a laptop's base will get irritatingly hot while the rest remains lukewarm at most. Implementing a liquid cooling system would help, but the problem still remains that it would increase the size of the laptop noticeably. Even in "desktop replacement" laptops (like the Dell XPS) which are easily big enough to fit a minaturised liquid cooling system, its still not a good idea as coolant is pretty dense and will significantly add to a"desktop replacement" laptop's already hefty weight
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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 12 2008, 09:11 AM)
Despite all the new technologies to reduce processor power consumption, the processor and LCD monitor are still the highest power hogs on a laptop, especially when the processor is working hard and the LCD brightness is high. Heat is not a problem for the LCD as it has a lot of surface area to lose heat, so it never really gets hot (at most also only at where the inverter is). But processors have to lose close to 50W of heat (at full load) from a surface as big as a fingernail, even with heatpipes its not that easy to dissipate the heat rapidly enough to prevent temperatures from reaching uncomfortable levels (uncomfortable to your lap, that is). Some parts of a laptop's base will get irritatingly hot while the rest remains lukewarm at most. Implementing a liquid cooling system would help, but the problem still remains that it would increase the size of the laptop noticeably. Even in "desktop replacement" laptops (like the Dell XPS) which are easily big enough to fit a minaturised liquid cooling system, its still not a good idea as coolant is pretty dense and will significantly add to a"desktop replacement" laptop's already hefty weight
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ok what you said there has a point...what about what i said a few post ago...about a box like a diy fan cooler but below there you put some kind of cooling material for example DI...since the air intake for most notebooks are from the bottom at the ram area?...correct me if i am wrong
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post Feb 12 2008, 10:39 AM

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If you cool the air before it enters the laptop, it helps. But AFAIK there isn't any simple solution which can be used for long term-dry ice will run out pretty quick. Other ways to do this-duct air directly from aircon or use a peltier to chill air (heatsink the cold side and put it up to the laptop's intake vent-not practical because of the peltier's power consumption and substantial cooling needed for the hot side). None of them are particularly practical.
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post Jan 5 2009, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(ryder @ Feb 2 2008, 07:02 PM)
This might be a very dumb question....but has anyone actually tried to watercool a notebook?.....I remember NEC tried to do this at 2002....but there is no news after that...This is just to find out what people think.. so pls dont flame... smile.gif
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i c ur point there, in fact it is a really interesting topic to bring under discussion biggrin.gif but in the same time i'm agree with wat the forumers had posted especially shawty's comment "RUBBISH" laugh.gif but still...nice topic

the main reason they invented lappie is becoz their target user is for those who prefer mobility, in the terms of Mobile computing. it is stated that a generic term describing one's ability to use technology UNTETHERED but often used to refer to access to information or applications from occasionally-connected, portable, networked computing devices. other than that, power consumption is another issue which is facing by bettery engineer. Pump's for the water cooling draws a lot of power,so there is no point that the design a low power consumption Processor and end up ur Innovative Lappie Water Cooling use up all the source ...hahaha laugh.gif

BUT...if we look at this topic from a designer and engineer's point of view, it is something which is never been done before. Who knows 1 day, ur idea do really exist... tongue.gif Just like Alienware had their first 19" lappie with nvdia 7950 SLI built in it...who would expect that?

i like ur idea, will keep track on this thread... biggrin.gif really hope to see more comments on this thread. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 5 2009, 11:33 PM

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oh.
watercooling is cool.
i bet your hand feels cooler.
with water ventilation. thumbup.gif
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post Jan 9 2009, 06:52 PM

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I doubt, as u only need wc when u oc. And when u oc, volts nned to be inceased... So battery life wont last
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post Jun 28 2009, 11:22 PM

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How to apply water cooling system on lappy o..
Lappy is for convenience.. if it is huge with the watercooling .. who wan to buy?

 

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