What can FAM do when we have no real talents? Like the FIFA rep stated, footballers should starts seroiuosly from age 11-12 years old. But how many of you now ( I mean you brothers or relatives), playing football seriously instead of going for tuition class days and nights at 11 or 12? Not many parents nowadays allow their children to play football actively. The same goes to teachers and school admins. The Education Ministry is the worst. Everybody wants 17As in SPM and I have to appeal to parents to let their sons playing in my school team. At the end, I have to make use all drop out students for my school team which their parents doesn't bother what their son doing - studying or do anything.

And please put away racist thingy from sports. Remember 50's - 80's era when we have DEB. The policy during that time is much worst for the non bumis but the players came from all races. The fact is we don't have real talent! The 13 leagues teams is just a technical. Next season we can have 14 or 16 if you want. But that doesn't change the main issue - we have no real talent. Believe me, if we can have a reality TV programme like giving RM1 million for the best player, still we cannot produce one player like Mokhtar Dahari, Soh Chin Aun or M. Chandran even if the players came from all over the kampungs. Because we cannot produce a good player in 2-3 years. We have to start it from the beginning. No school academy is ok but let every primary school students to play football. Have a good tourney like a school league not the 2-3 days affair tourney. What happened now, teachers was given 2-3 weeks to select school team players with no fund. After that, we will have 2-3 days tourney to select district players.

We can't kick off the politicians from football. At least in our situation now. Unless the government can give a huge fund to every states - if this happen, it's correct to move the politicians. The politicians in Malaysia have a good source of money to fund the team. The fund from State FAs not enough even to pay the bills. The politicians only use the football platform to gain popularity among the voters. That's what KJ doing now to gain voter from youngsters. But, the good thing is, we have source of fund from them too. Remember that Italy also influnced by the politicians but they are wordl champion!

How do we know it wasn't about money back then? Chin Aun still around and we can go ask him. People don't called him "tauke" for nothing. Money or patriotism will surely helps but not to the extent that we can beat South Korea or Japan with that highest patriotism. If that so, it's not too difficult to quarantine every national players for one or two months and bring some experts to boost their patriotism. Before the introduction of Semi Pro or Pro League, most national players attached to either Banking Co. or goverment agency. They have a job but don't have to work like others. Instead, they play football with piece of mind waiting for their monthly salary to feed their family.

This is not a politics forum but since you mentioned it and it is something to do with football, I guess it's alright for me to talk about it too. Politicians, doesn't matter if they're UMNO, MCA or MIC will do anything to get more votes. UMNO of course from the Malays and the same goes to MCA or MIC. How do we know what happened at MCA assembly will help national integration or patriotism. Do you actually believe the politicians nowadays (especially the government) means what they're talking about but to get the votes only? And do you believe the minister with the bare keris have guts to fight with just his bare hands??? I guess not.

Ok, correction. It's not all about money. But what I'm trying to say, with less patriotism, if they have a good skill (not talent), they can win too. And it's not easy to measure if they're patriotic enough or not compare to our old days players. We don't know if theye're patriotic or not but we do know if their skills are good enough or not. Of course a happy worker is a productive worker. But, if I am a manufacturer, I want a skill worker more than anything. And for the talent, it must be polished. You can't polish the talent at international level when they're in the late teenage. This is our product now. With talent or not, they must start playing competitively and systimatically from their early age before their teenagers day.

The introduction of Semi and Pro League is a disaster to me. Before all players turn to pro status, everybody can play for their states team. We have teachers, an engineers and many profesionals playing football for their states. They're not only skillful but very intelligent players too. But, any of us here wants to play for any states team if we're given choices between a M League professional footballer or a doctor? My point is, most of our so called professional footballer is schools drop out. No offence to anybody, but it's a fact that good footballers with brain stop playing football seriously when they enter college or universities. This is different when our old days players can still working while playing for national team. They have source of income after they stop playing football. Footballers can only playing for 10 - 15 years as a professional. RM10K monthly won't be enough to support the whole family after they retired. Not to mention most of our average professional players income only about RM2-5K monthly - thats not including the payment delays and everything.

And for the politics, I don't want to talk more as it maybe not relevant to our discussion IMO.

Dr. Josef Venglos was here too. It's not about the management but the players themselves. We're lacking good and skillful footballers nowadays.

LOL, you're lucky enough to have a teacher to look around while you're playing. Nowadays, some schools have PE in their time table only while actually other teachers from the "important subject" like add math and science subjects will come to the the class and take over from the PE teacher. Some of the PE teacher selected only because their teaching periods din't meet the schools quota for teaching periods. These kind of teachers will teach PE from their breakfast table at canteen.