Software Engineering is fully-accredited by Engineers Australia. IT and CS are not, hence you get more flexible elective subjects than you can with SE. SE also gives you a headstart if you intend to move into consulting and project management as SE graduates are expected to be well-trained in coordinating software projects.

...and the quality between our Computing degrees are miles ahead of what's offered in Malaysia. I've compared what we covered, our assignments and level of research and there just isn't such depth in equivalent courses in Malaysia. Top Computing degrees are highly-competitive here, mainly because your cohorts are in it because they love what they do (and they are good at it) and Computing really isn't one of those degrees where one can do well if pressured into it by parents, etc.

I do agree with everyone else that IT professionals should not return to Malaysia. Our country does not have the adequate infrastructure nor appreciation for technology as the more developed nations. Our depressing state is made worse by a pool of so-called IT grads who lack the very skill and innovation required to succeed in this industry.

This post has been edited by chris_c28: Aug 28 2008, 07:01 PM

Its bloody hot here tonight! I want winterrrrrrrrrrrrr backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk! I don't want summer!

1)With all that report writing in SE, you better be damn understandable at least where written communication is concerned!

2)I'm not sure about the headstart SE gives to people wanting to move into consulting. Yes, it is a plus, but with the IS (Information Systems) majors I see around here, where they spend more time writing reports than writing anything remotely that looks like code, I personally think if you want to be in projects and/or management, do a IS major.

3)While I agree that not all IT/CS/SE degrees are created equal, personally there are some Computing degrees in Malaysia which are not that far away from some Australian ones. I personally have seen what Swinburne Sarawak does, and while Limeuu did once make a remark on the difficulty of finding good lecturers (a statement that probably also applies to Monash Malaysia), at least their syllabus is reasonably close to what we have here in Australia.

4)Yes, there is no goddamn future for IT professionals in Malaysia. I'm not saying Australia is the land of milk and honey (in the IT jobs sense; Singapore is headhunting experienced Australian IT professionals), but it make Malaysia look like the Mongolian desert. And seriously, who today will say that Australian broadband is inferior to Malaysian broadband?

Theres no one source for the rot, nor is there a silver bullet to resolve this issue. I suppose it all depends on what the market wants. (What does it want exactly?!)

My sempai's say that in QLD, anyone who understands the .NET framework thing is sought after. They might have a point, looking at how many employers want people who know C#/VB.NET.

5)chris_c28, what are you doing again?

That means i need spare around 500k?

well i mean if you want to do the extra 1 year it's optional actually, and it's not easy to get in also. So it really depends on your academic results.
I think less than 500k, engineering is more expensive than arts subjects, i think next batch for 2009 the fees for art's degrees will be $19k per year, compare to $23k for engineering students.

Don't do IS, really. Why do IS when SE gives you both the technical and management skills. Best of both worlds, I'd say.

I do SE at UNSW and our courses are a mixture of Computing and IS subjects (from the Computing and ISM schools) and we still get to chose a range of electives from both. Although there is report writing, you will also do a lot of design and coding and if you can't program, you can't survive.

Java/.NET/C++ developers are the most highly sought after in the market currently as there is still a skills shortage.

Btw, anyone going for TechEd 2008? There's a free Student Day event next Tuesday.
https://www.microsoft.com.au/events/registe...296&linvitation

This post has been edited by chris_c28: Aug 28 2008, 09:08 PM

Assume base is $23000
10% increase a year
Engineering is 4 years (be liberal and think you will do an honours)

Year 1:$23,000
Year 2:$25,000
Year 3:$28,000
Year 4:$31,000

Thats $107K. Yes, it is a damn lot of money, but even in Ringgit terms its about RM300K. How did you come up with 500K?

To haya: i still need money for food, accomodation, clothings, books, etc.. dont i need those as well?

you do; n also hang out; fly back yr end ..etc..isnt it cost about 200k extra also?

costs of food, entertainment, clothes, and even books can be controlled, but what i found the most difficult cost to get rid of is accommodation, especially if you are studying in melbourne or sydney. For me, $95 per week for rental always exceed all other costs and it's like a solid rock that can't be broken.

Im going to Brisbane and most probably live with my cousin. so it might be cheaper. Is living cost in Brisbane very high?

$95/week rental? caspersky, how far away are you living from the city/university?

Okay, I suppose once you include cost of living, flying back etc, yes, we are looking at 500K.

And to lawl, not any more than Sydney or Melbourne. Or even Perth these days.

95 a week can last me well.

mean your rent is up up? it depends; I find that even Melb is pricey; you still have options.

10% ....woh are you serious? i think 5% is modest by engineering standard, that is my case here, medicine is 8% increases year-on-year basis.
Btw $23k is still way cheaper compare to other uni which charges in excess of $28k.

I had Briyani in Zam Zam yesterday... DAMN! So tasty! Everyone was telling me abt it, but yesterday was my first time going there... looks like i got a new lepak spot... no more Es Teller...

Find job. Live expensive. Money from my old slaughter place job netted me enough to pay my rent in advance for 5 months and i had spare change left too.

I'm living in the kampung-like Toowoomba, Student Village is located beside the university, i heard that it's cheap because there's no GST incurred.

Hahaha, i'm washing plates in a Thai and Chinese restaurant for $50 per night, it won't be enough. Do you have any nice recommendation?

guys..issit after graduated from diploma more easier to get in uni at aus than foundation??

For unis in Go8, no doubt the cheapest for engineering will be Adelaide, which is $23000 in 2009 after a substantial 11.65% increase from 2008. UWA, UQ and ANU have similar tuition fees, which are around $23500-25000 p.a. The best part of UWA is that the tuition fee held constant throughout your entire degree including honours year, which is based on the year you commence your studies. Other unis in Go8 will increase their tuition fees annually, and all commencing or continuing students will subject to the new fees. Currently the most expensive uni to earn an engineering degree will be University of Melbourne, which charge engineering student $27850 in 2008. Unimelb will increase their tuition fees at an average rate of 5-6% p.a. and by calculating this, you need at least $125,000 to complete your studies if you start in 2009.

Goddamn those cheap asian people

Pre-opening work at K-Mart is short and pays well, about 4 hours work and you get paid 70 bucks not including super.

Working at Maccas at night along Ruthven will net you 21 an hour. Getting there by bike isn't too hard.

If you want day time, you can try the poultry farms. Call 04 07652491 (It's Irene i think). 18.50 an hour, daytime gig, transport provided to Gatton.

If you want to go through the shit that i went through at Harristown with lesen, you can try regent taxis down the coast, 30 bucks an hour easy.


Depends on the trouble you wanna go through. If you wanna drive taxis and need a heads up, you're welcome to ask.

Hei guys..

To stay on-campus accomodation with 3 meals per day, 7 days per week for a AUD 351 rental is better, or staying in self-catered apartment for a cheaper price around AUD 200 is better? I'm going to UNSW Sydney btw.