From the info I see, the new Jazz CVT is fitted with torque converter already. I'm guessing they no longer use start-up clutch? If that really so, how much will affect the FC, will it poorer than current City?

However, it is also said to come with 1.3L iVTEC (and hopefully 1.5L iVTEC). And there is hybrid (IMA).

Come on, keep repeating boring joke is lame.

Well, I asked my Toyota SA and he said around Oct2008.
While I ask another Honda SA, she said no news on City, but Accord definitely got.

If one is not in rush for car, it is definitely more beneficial to wait for the car and decide later.

The CVT no longer come with start-up clutch, but rather a torque converter as in normal auto... info from the news guy paultan.




Nowadays car salesman sell more than one brand of cars. My Toyota SA sell Honda, Proton car too.

I'm not sure the overral dimension, but by following the trend, cars are getting larger and larger. Maybe when new City launches - "OMG larger than new Vios and Latio".

I believe a lockup torque converter is much suited in our hot weather here.


Yes... 110kmph on 1.9krpm! 7 is the magic number. I imagine they programmed 100 gears for the steermatic. LOL.



statement 1: There should be a balance on simplicity and 'technology'. Just the Vios don't have someone like WongKN doing the write up, doesn't mean there isn't any changes. Dig deeper if you are interested.


statement 2: The new City should be more power and still fuel efficient. The torque converter part isn't unexpected - even Honda Japan (yes, they sent engineers here to check) cracked their head on why there are quite a number of failure on the startup clutch in here... ... I don't know the actual total number but even less than handful of failure for them is consider serious case. Considering Mitsubishi Lancer CVT are also mated with the torque converter, there's no reason to consider using it for lesser complain and a longer lasting gearbox.


statement 3: This round of battle Honda might win... who knows.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jan 29 2008, 09:43 AM

Hmm... 5-speed auto... where the CVT?

Actually the CVT is the unique feature and also one of the selling point for City.

I'm believing that CVT in hot weather country have reliability issue, IMO Toyota & Honda using the same reason to avoid bringing in more CVT.

IMO, imagine timing chain in the engine also need to replace, I'm having trouble imagining the CVT belt is invincible - as the belt face more torture than a cam timing chain.

That said, AFAIK, the reliability of the CVT rely most on the coupling device - either startup clutch or a torque converter. If they went haywire, I don't think the CVT will last long either.

Unless there's option/SC that allow maintenance of the CVT belt, i.e. replace it, I doubt it could possibly last very long.

I know is a metal 'chain' (metal reinforced rubber belt anyway), hence I'm speculating its life span is more or less similar to timing chain. Of course being slight shorter life span due to the stress it is having.

The main point is, the matter of whether there are serviceable component available or, otherwise we have to replace the whole gearbox which is pricey.

OMG so fugly?!

Agreed. I'm closely eyeing iVTEC + CVT.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jan 31 2008, 02:50 PM

If 1300cc, the pricing might be like Avanza 1.3L auto. I suppose Vios J is the lowest 1.5L foreign brand.

Internal spec have comparative figures that shows new Vios is larger than current City in every direction (with 10mm accuracy) in terms of internal dimension, losing little to Latio. As for external dimension, City is definitely longer than current Vios.

However, I'm not surprise Honda will make it win Vios. All Honda need is to have reduced boot space in between 500L~475L, and a slightly larger internal dimension to win Vios in 1.5L category. Coupled with 5spd auto and good price... this will forces Toyota a facelift.

I'm thinking in another direction that is the pricing HM did it on purpose just to reflect the worthiness of Civic 1.8?

Heard it would be launched around Nov/Dec.

Don't think. It is fact that the new City is bigger than the current one in every dimension except the height.

Actually, a bigger size 1.5L car is not bad.

Promoting to Civic do promote your imaginary status, however, L15 has better than R18. Plus Civic doesn't have ultraseat nor 500L+ boot (Civic is 450L).

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Added on November 18, 2008, 1:51 pmCivic is 20k more.



This post has been edited by dstl1128: Nov 18 2008, 01:51 PM

Wah. Talking New City degenerate into Mazda? Talk more City lah.

Actually the pricing is not fixed yet (or rather not published by upper mgmt). Low spec City will be under 90k. High spec around 90~95k. Most SA rough guess would be 85~88k for low spec; 91~93k for hi spec.