jz found this not long ago
http://asia.vtec.net/Engines/LSERIESG2/index.html
looking at the new improvement on the engine....
really makes one excited to wait for the real thing here...

great...but the price??? sure will be very high 1...

dunno wat will the price be.....
but hope not really leap la.....
current city is older model dy....should reduce price...hence giv way for new model to fit into current price range....else....near to current jazz price...wth!

but then.....looks from it, seems like no iDSI any more, so this new model probably not VTEC/IDSI variant, but will be L13A/L15A iVTEC variant

a bit like EP3, but embedded exhaust in bumper is cool

won't be high
i guess it'll be the same price with the current one

i hope so.....if not, cant buy oledi if the price too high

new jazz oredi launch in japan d but new city still nowhere to be seen around the world... very tempted with the new engines and transmission... i got a feeling the new city will be a better car than the vios... both the engines and transmission oredi win hands down, 120bhp vs 109bhp for the 1.5 and 5-speed vs 4-speed gearbox in the vios... paired with honda's excellent ride and handling... toyota needs to work harder on the vios this time... however, all this happens if the city is mechanically similar with the currently launched japanese jazz la...

statement 1 on city better: in term of technology, there is no deny, as you can see honda is putting more effort to improve the car, whereas you basically see nothing much change in vios

statement 2 on spec: retire iDSI, replace with L13A, possibly remove startup clutch, replace with torque convertor(this one really unexpected), belt tensioner, etc. can check in temple of vtec for the i-vtec feature in fit/jazz which possibly in up-coming fit aria/city too. there is no 5-speed auto, its CVT

statement 3 on Toyota work harder: its a funny thing, despite Honda tries to improve in terms of technology, toyota still sells better, this is the taste of local ppl, cant blame...but every type of car has its targeted group. So no comment.

CVT means got 7 speed auto?

no more iDSI? oh noes i opt for city mainly bcoz of its iDSI....unless the L13A/L15A iVTEC FC is much better than iDSI i dont understand this startup clutch and torque convertor what it does?

yea...the exhaust is damn cool... the overrall dimension is bigger than the current model rite?

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Added on January 29, 2008, 3:41 ami guess the price will be slightly higher than the current one, but they need to concern the market price and the consumer buying power.. we wait n c la..

This post has been edited by acid_head: Jan 29 2008, 03:41 AM

CVT doesn't mean 7 speed auto, although a lot of people associate CVT with 7 speed auto due to the steermatic design.

CVT means continuously variable transmission. You know when you buy a new car and look at the specs, they usually have a section for the gearbox saying gear 1 ratio is like 3.506, gear 2 is 1.872 and so on until gear 5 is like 0.782 or something like that? CVT doesn't have that. It just has a minimum and a maximum, which in this example, would be 3.506 and 0.782. The gear can be anything in between those numbers, i.e. infinite number of gears.

The benefit of this is that you main your engine RPM at optimum level (~2k i think, could be wrong here) the entire time so you don't get a very smooth acceleration curve and maintain good fuel consumption (since engine is almost always at the optimum level). People say its 7 speed because the steermatic allows you to "set" a virtual maximum for the gear. It doesn't really physically exist, but the gear box tries to limit the CVT to not go above those virtual ratios, so it gives the illusion of 7 "gears". In reality, they can put however many they want, 10, 20, 30 (although going so high would be a bit silly) so they just use 7.

I'm not sure the overral dimension, but by following the trend, cars are getting larger and larger. Maybe when new City launches - "OMG larger than new Vios and Latio".

I believe a lockup torque converter is much suited in our hot weather here.


Yes... 110kmph on 1.9krpm! 7 is the magic number. I imagine they programmed 100 gears for the steermatic. LOL.



statement 1: There should be a balance on simplicity and 'technology'. Just the Vios don't have someone like WongKN doing the write up, doesn't mean there isn't any changes. Dig deeper if you are interested.


statement 2: The new City should be more power and still fuel efficient. The torque converter part isn't unexpected - even Honda Japan (yes, they sent engineers here to check) cracked their head on why there are quite a number of failure on the startup clutch in here... ... I don't know the actual total number but even less than handful of failure for them is consider serious case. Considering Mitsubishi Lancer CVT are also mated with the torque converter, there's no reason to consider using it for lesser complain and a longer lasting gearbox.


statement 3: This round of battle Honda might win... who knows.

This post has been edited by dstl1128: Jan 29 2008, 09:43 AM

The new Jazz doesn't look like that, but in terms of personal preference, I still prefer the current Jazz's design...

The M'sia version will be built in Thailand, and we'll be getting the 1.5L i-VTEC version only... As for the transmission, we'll most probably get the 5-speed auto instead of the CVT...

Hmm... 5-speed auto... where the CVT?

yes, wider and fatter
cabin space also wider
note that the new petrol tank is under front passenger's seat

wth....5-speed auto...no kidding....
y the hell honda switch back to conventional gearbox instead of CVT

CVT may not make it to ASEAN countries... Personally, I hope to get the CVT gearbox...

Well, according to a survey done by Honda, people in ASEAN prefers conventional autobox rather than CVT...

Actually the CVT is the unique feature and also one of the selling point for City.

I'm believing that CVT in hot weather country have reliability issue, IMO Toyota & Honda using the same reason to avoid bringing in more CVT.

here is hot but not inconsistent, i believe reliability is more as an issue in country like JP, where big gap like summer and winter takes place...their condition is more unstable than us....
it really a setback if they remove CVT from CIty, personally i feel like my fren surrounding me who enjoy driving city would very disappoint if honda remove it.

newer technology always takes time to adapt by ppl....

giv sometime to accept it...i agree....