Ahh yes, now I remember, it's the worm part if give too much beef...

Mia's prev foster owner keeps on recommending me to feed them raw meat(white & red)

They even sells them in frozen form...

But I find that Mia smells terrible when I picked her up...

I do give Oren boiled chicken last time, then I switched to giving him raw chicken from time to time...

To boil or not to boil?


KP

Is it true that if cats eat IAMS their fur will fall out? Doing a search on google and found many people got fur problem with IAMS. I just feed my cats with IAMS about 2 day and bulu banyak gugur adeh.

p/s kadet patah kaki semalam huhu after mkn ubat he just sleep sleep and sleep kesian la plak

frozen beef maybe abit cheaper right?

i prefer to boil all the food.. because afraid some chicken the farm give chemical injection or anything. so boiling it will kill all the worms, germs, etc.

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Added on April 8, 2008, 1:24 pmi like iams... my cats semua tak ada problem with iams. before been giving iams kitten and iams adult to all my cats for like almost half year. but then have to change... why? because with iams they eat non stop. cepat habis juga lah iams 10kg about 22 days!!! so i also cannot afford although iams is kinda cheap. now i change to proformance which is lots better and 10kg can finish 1 month 10 days

my cats/kittens do not have fur problem with iams.

fur problem not only happen because of food. fur problem is normal in cats. but if it too much, you need to check their health. they maybe have worms, ticks, fleas, skin sensitive.

This post has been edited by elfreakz: Apr 8 2008, 01:24 PM

wah how many cats you have? 10kg 22 hari aje huhu, if your cats no problem with iams I will stick with iams and will check their health next week. my cats love iams so much hehe like you said la eat non stop meow meow and meow mintak makanan ahaha.

This post has been edited by anbusan: Apr 8 2008, 01:49 PM

that's why i boiled the beef and the chicken... so that i don't have to deworm them too frequent...

i have 6.. my housemate have 3.. so its like 9 cats.

u continue with iams first. see if it is ok or not. u cannot stop and change every week right. u need to test the food for like 3 months up then only you can see the different.

i give proformance the first month cannot see different, i can see fur falls. but after 3 months and up, then i see my cat fur less fall... the long hair because fluffy. the short hair become shiny.

what you do is, give something they love the most. i believe slowly their fur will less fall. remember falling fur is normal. just like our hair, the dead hair will fall.. same goes to cat, the dead fur will fall and grow again, as long as it is not too much until you see bold area.

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Added on April 8, 2008, 1:53 pmgood mesti kucing you sampai menjilat jari lepas makan .. wow

This post has been edited by elfreakz: Apr 8 2008, 01:53 PM

that's rite... sehingga menjilat kaki...

normally i dont boil them till welldone... medium only... so that in the middle part of the meat will still pinky... this will make the meat more juicy...

Not frozen beef, what I meant is Mia prev foster owner does a special raw food blend. She gets fresh meat(white & red), some veggie and vitamins, then blend all the ingredients raw and then keep them frozen. So when feeding, she thaw it first, then give them a portion...

She says raw is good because cats stomach is designed to accept and process raw food rather than processed food. And she said kibbles can cause bad breath because when the kibbles crumble and became paste when mix with their saliva, it will stick to their teeth and gum...

But so far, Oren has no bad breath, his fur also does not smell, but Mia altho being fed with the raw food before, I find she has bad breath and she smells terrible...

Hmm, mebbe boiling half cook is a better choice...


KP

Actually as far as cats food go Iams is very poor quality...
Our beloved cats are one of the few household pets that are True obligate carnivores Obligate carnivores need protein that comes from the tissue of other animals, they cannot survive without it
which means food like Iams which is full of grain fillers like corn and such is giving them very little of the meat protein that they need

Just like humans, animals love tasty unhealthy junk food like stuff so thats why they eat up the Lower quality brands so quick. Because its full of artificial flavorings :/ and its giving them less animal source protein so they need to eat more.

Heres a guide on how to rate your pets food, the brands they rate below are all dog foods but cat and dog foods are almost the same with very slight differences in nutrient lvls

Now i realize that not everyone can afford those high quality stuff especially when you have many cats to feed
But you should be aware and know what exactly you are feeding your pets and never judge by brand alone

Always read the ingredients and judge for yourself


KP : Any meat fed to your pet should be cooked, as raw meats have a chance of transmitting bacteria like salmonella ( my cats love boiled chicken meat too hehe )



Below is a rating system for pet foods that may be helpful in showing you where your current brand lies and what are considered quality ingredients.

How to grade your pet's food:
Start with a grade of 100:
1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points
2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or fat -not actual protein source stated such as chicken, lamb, turkey etc) reference, subtract 10 points
3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points for each
4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source, subtract 5 points
5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five ingredients (I.e. "ground brown rice", "brewers rice", "rice flour" are all the same grain), subtract 5 points
6) If the meat protein sources are not in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points
7) If it contains any artificial colorants or preservatives, subtract 3 points for each
8 ) If it contains corn (ground corn, corn gluten, whole grain corn etc) subtract 3points
9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points
10) If the food contains any added animal fat other than fish or flaxseed oil, subtract 2 points
11) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points
13) If it contains wheat or a component of wheat such as gluten, subtract 3 points
14) If it contains "digest" subtract 5 points
15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credits:
Bonus credit-If the food contains NO grains, add 10 points

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points
2) If the protein source is meal vs meat, add 5 points
3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points
4) If the food contains probiotics or prebiotics, add 3 points
5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points
6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points
7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points (these may be hard to determine as many manufacturers of natural holistic food use these products without actually printing the information on the bag)
8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points
9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2points
10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point
11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point
12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source, but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point
13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point
14) If the vegetables are pesticide-free, add 1 point

Score:
100+ = A+ 94-100=A 86-93 = B 76-85 = C 75 or lower= Failed

Some of the scores (not in order of points):

Canidae / (Felidae) Score 117 A+

Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold /
(Katz-n-Flocken All Stages by Solid Gold) Score 100 A
Innova Evo / Score 129 A
Orijen-not yet rated-high score guaranteed

A sample of "popular" store brands scored:

Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 F
Purina Beneful / Score 17 F
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F



This post has been edited by Cimredopyh: Apr 8 2008, 02:25 PM

Hmm, but somehow this person contradicts about the salmonella issue with raw meat.

I have her pamphlet, will post about it when i get home...


KP

Well, yes logically all animals are designed to eat food in their raw form
But do cats need raw meat so badly that it is worth the risk?
All food loses a certain amount of its goodness when cooked, but it still retains alot of benefits

Cooked meat = good for your cat and safe
Raw meat = might be better for your cat but also potentially harmful

(and not only to your cats, salmonella can also spread to other pets in your household as well as you and your family)

This post has been edited by Cimredopyh: Apr 8 2008, 02:34 PM

yaiks what i heard kibbles help to remove the tar tar on cat teeth to reduce smelly breath. thats my oren do not have bad breath because he eat kibbles right? i think the previous owner concept terbalik already eheheh.

Hedgie thread kinda quiet recently, so i come here and buat kacau

I know what you mean. And this person did mention about the goodness that will get lost if we cook the food.

According to her, she's done the research.

I think it would be a good idea to share the contents of the pamphlet she created, but have to wait till I get home lor...

Yeah, I know about salmonella spreading to other pets as well as humans, but she put it in a very debatable way in the pamphlet...

The frozen raw food she makes is for sale as well you know...

KP

i kinda agree with this.

its like when you have home cat as a pet, you cannot treat your cat 100% like in the wild. they are all different. unless you catch your cat in the jungle lah. but then, your cat is consider a home cat before and now. it should be treat a home way. cannot feed with mouse, insect, dying animal, etc. like in the wild.

again nowadays even the chicken or beef will harm human if you dont cook it well. i cannot trust the farm thought, although i still need chicken and beef in my life. can may feed their chicken/cow with something which is not good for human, or many chemical injection to make their product fat and juicy but harm the people/animal who eating them.

Yes, Oren is on kibbles most of the time. Get the raw or boiled meat from time to time only.

That's why... I pun confuse... She has created a pamphlet you know and the raw food she does is for sale also...

There's also some testimonial about the raw food given has reduced fur loss, reduced bad breath and so on...

KP

Hmmmm that just makes me more dubious, people always like to guarantee what they are selling is 100% safe and the best

After reading the pamphlet lah I tried giving Oren raw chicken meat chunks...

Lucky it's only like once in a blue moon thing...



KP

hmm i read about the one that can reduced fur loss... yet im still confuse, raw meet bring 101 kind of worms... fur falls due too worms.. if giving raw meet, cat will have worms, and how will this protect the fur? even serious if they get infected with heartworm.

Yeah, now I am confused too...

Nanti when I post the pamphlet info, we will have to debate about it too...

The thing that caught me is that it said research has been done...

We shall cont'...


KP