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 The ZERO DAC + Headamp (NO 56K), OWNERS!!! REPORT IN!!!!

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abel
post Jul 24 2008, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 24 2008, 04:57 AM)
Either way lol, that's a very very long connector and most opamps benefit for having a short path, plus if the HDAM is a BJT input, you're generally inviting distortion, instability and lowering CMRR, even for a JFET input, that's quite a stretch. Snipping is recommended.

When mounting opamps, expecially BJT input ones like the LM4562, try not to use even a socket if possible, and decoupling using a film cap with as short as possible leads between each of the supply pins will give you really really good sonic returns. Sometimes even an extra centimeter of wire along the feedback loop can cause the opamp to b****.
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ermm this really very technical now i learn new things smile.gif

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post Jul 25 2008, 09:28 AM

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ohh gatevalve wanna get some poison ... tongue.gif
u wanna go to smart home cheah place to test the cec 3300 ... that cd player sound not bad sound natural no coloration smile.gif

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post Jul 25 2008, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 25 2008, 09:47 AM)
Hi Abel,

Anywhere to get an used zero dac ?

Thinking of bulk order, but taking  too long to wait.
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mine also take about 1 month to arrived ... no other choice used i think soo far no ppl selling it .... bcoz i not going to sell at this moment i wanna mod my zero and see first.

maybe u can contact godluvsxx

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post Jul 25 2008, 02:52 PM

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Some of my Elna cap just arrived tonight will going to mod my Zero for stage 1 tongue.gif
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post Jul 26 2008, 01:35 AM

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lol just finish solder .... really hard to un-solder almost broke the track sad.gif

now i cant close my case bcoz got 2 cap is too tall sad.gif

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post Jul 26 2008, 01:51 AM

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QUOTE(gatevalve @ Jul 25 2008, 04:25 PM)
hi all,
went to smart home solution.tested cec cd 3300 and marantz 5001 with and without zero dac.
soild state amp used, arcam alpha 9.
then tested old school pioneer pd s802 cd player.
we used epos es 14 during the test.
the winner...according my  ears....pioneer cdp with zero dac(c/w opa 627).
cec 3300 is a good cd player.it just a matter of preference only.
marantz cd 5001 with dac......too forward and bright
cec 3300 with dac......too polite
pioneer pd-802 with dac....in between the above tast, good bass,smooth vocal and ngam2 high rclxms.gif

i will keep this zero dac for sometimes ...rm 400 and very keng this dac.
looking foward to audit nad 541 before i make any purchase.

for amp.....still dunno which solid stae amp to get.most probably audiolab biggrin.gif

cheers.
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ermm i also using Marantz CD-5001 with Zero DAC sound ok for me only for DY2000 can solve the problem sound not soo harsh i try on opa627 i feel wanna faint too harsh some more i using Marantz amp smile.gif


Added on July 26, 2008, 2:00 am
QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 26 2008, 01:47 AM)
sleep early.. tmr go KLIAV fair  mellow.gif
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haha yeah tomolo got work some more i go after lunch .... smile.gif

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post Jul 26 2008, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 26 2008, 12:41 PM)
These are the power cord I ordered Volex 17604 --

First, I'll state that I do not consider these industrial, mass produced, low margin 14gaX3 shielded powercords to be an 'upgrade', but rather, they are the minimally acceptable powercords for audio use (which is why I'm posting this in the General Asylum). For whatever reasons, vendors generally provide generic 18 or 16ga PCs, and I've never encountered a situation where the Volex 17604 or 17605 (2 and 3 meters) have not produced a major improvement in all areas, soundstaging, resolution, dynamics, extension, emotion.....Simply put, everything is 'mo betta'.
These powercords are ideal for anyone who wants to judge whether powercords actually make a difference or for judging what value a more 'bespoke' and expensive cord is providing.
Comparisons - In comparison to the 'Asylum' cord, the latter provides higher resolution, which may be attributable to the removal of the plummyness imparted to the bass (in comparison to most OEM cords, the Volex bass is tighter and more resolving). But realize that a premade 'Asylum' cord will cost about 10x as much, or if you DIY, each major component, the cable, plug, IEC, will cost as much as a complete Volex cord. My own DIY starquad powercords (IMO) and many other aftermarket cords are substantially better, but whaddaya expect for <$1/ft for the whole dang cord?

If you're unsure as to whether powercords make a difference, want maximum bang for the buck, or want a cheap baseline for evaluating audio specific cords, do yourself a favor and buy the Volexs. Many electronic distributors cary them - Allied, Newark, etc...

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However, I am disappointed it is not Belden cable as used in the Asymlum power cord. As to how much improvement, I think it does not sound clear to me, but I will just leave this power cord to the ZERO DAC. For less than RM 50, I think it barely meets value for money. Alternative is to replace the stock plug and connector.
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bro i saw transparent power got offer 2m just RM 380 at Tong Lee booth
some more factory termination


Added on July 26, 2008, 5:24 pm
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Jul 26 2008, 08:48 AM)
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When I could see OSCON at those circled critical area? tongue.gif Anyway, please do have at least 50 hours of burn in first, looking forward to hear your impression biggrin.gif
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hahaha u are cheat from the colour that is KEKEKE cap(stock cap) tongue.gif

found slightly warm sound now ... i test direct to amp without go to tube preamp

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post Jul 27 2008, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Jul 27 2008, 01:32 PM)
46381... I used before for car audio.
I think if not mistaken is 10AWG (or was it 12AWG).
1694A is used for RCA cable but I still remember KF Audio staff told me its more tv use for coaxial.
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ohhh u got visit Uncle Liew also smile.gif
yeah u are right bcoz those cable is 75ohm is coaxial or digital cable RCA is 100ohm


Added on July 27, 2008, 3:08 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jul 27 2008, 08:49 AM)
In fact, their air lock plugs are more expensive than the wire, about RM 35 /unit.

Normally, I just buy the wire, and buy cheaper plugs outside. Most people also got a few sets of wire, so I prefer not to terminate the plugs,  than terminated plugs.

But if there is a special offer, then may be worthwhile  to buy together.

Bi-wires does not really help with an entry level amp, Bi-amps might do. A lot of arguments over this area.

It is just a personal preference.
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is depend Bi-wire i means ur amp got 4 out-put if 2 channel Bi-Wire wont help

bi-amp the sound will be smoother if ur amp not enuf power Bi-amp not recommend smile.gif
bcoz normally Bi-AMP the power only half means ur amp rated 40w RMS x 2 means u bi-amp is 20 RMS x 4

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post Jul 28 2008, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 27 2008, 10:12 PM)
I thot only opamp and zero dac.

Hope someone can bring along the cd by Nils Lofgren live and Whitesnake live in Tokyo. Very acoustics.

next wish item is Grado headphone, 325 (bmw).


Added on July 27, 2008, 10:24 pm

what difference does it make ? ELNA for Audio and ELNA Silmic 2, ELNA Silmic and ELNA Cerafine ?

the switching diode by MUR is the fastest switching available, heard it improves the sound quality ?
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those diferent cap give different character what i know Silmic 2 produce warmer sound compare to Cerafine .....
Black Gate is more to dynamic very good for highs freq and more stable smile.gif
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post Jul 30 2008, 08:30 AM

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wow now Zero getting hotter here tongue.gif


Added on July 30, 2008, 8:34 amgodlusxx when is the bulk gathering i bring some of the opamp to poison ppl hehehe


Added on July 30, 2008, 8:39 am
QUOTE(andrekua @ Jul 27 2008, 03:26 PM)
I dont remember liao who is Uncle Liew.
I went there once for installing HU and 2nd time for wiring the amp.
I quit 6months later after the blardy immo salesman show me how to steal my wira (with anti theft mod) in less than a minute and also started the car. I was stun beyond belief.

46381 a bit hard to find liao. Lastime I forgot who I bought it from in the famous ICE forum. Now Im using 5100UP which is a bit cheaper. 14AWG copper wire cost around RM8/m from Jalan Pasar. Also bought Belden 8760 for RCA cable. I think 8760 is slightly better than Canare L4E6S. Canare cable make my speaker sound bright.
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yeah i got few Canare rca cable sound bright also now i trying their new cable call GS-6

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post Jul 30 2008, 09:14 AM

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wut i listen marantz CD-63 KI sound better than go thru Zero i plan to go for NOS DAC

getvalve if u play the Epos dont use solid stand the bast is loost n unfocus
must use open frame stand


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post Jul 30 2008, 01:52 PM

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hifi is very expensive hobbies .... dont get poison .... smile.gif
once poison u get addicted

my cap just arrived who want to mod
i have Elna Silmic II 47uf 50v interested pls let me know

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 30 2008, 01:59 PM)
i want a OPA627 set!!  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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i have opa827 u wanna try smile.gif sound quite close with 627

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post Jul 31 2008, 04:44 PM

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Elna Silmic sound warm

827 i sell u cheap cheap go to this link to refer

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=730452
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post Aug 4 2008, 01:31 PM

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This the HDAM that ccschua mention

EARTH
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post Aug 5 2008, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Aug 5 2008, 01:22 AM)
y spam heheh
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post Aug 5 2008, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(RAV4 @ Aug 5 2008, 11:29 AM)
Huh? Most of us collected our units on Sunday at KL Sentral as per his PM. Didn't you check-in here for updates?


Added on August 5, 2008, 11:33 am
Wah... ccschua bringing more poison to the thread! USD30 is a lot more reasonable than what those fellas are paying in the US (Head-Fi), which is USD50. Another bulk on the horizon?


Added on August 5, 2008, 11:40 am
Zero will improve the SQ, yes, but don't expect miracles. Hoping to pair it with a RM300 DVD player to achieve the SQ of a RM2k is frankly quite tough. Gatevalve have recently tested the Marantz CD5001 + Zero and found it to be almost on par with CD6002 which cost about 1.4k. He then tested CD6002 + Zero and found that it's almost on par with the 2.5k KI Sig. Further testing on KI Sig with and without Zero, cannot hear much difference so he bought CD6002. Hope this helps.
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wut i found 63-KI is different character compare to current KI smile.gif

how the opa827

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post Aug 23 2008, 11:07 AM

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wow ... seem alot ppl interested the SUN n EARTH
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post Aug 24 2008, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Aug 24 2008, 03:25 AM)
Embarass to say.. actually i not yet run my Zero DAC yet, yes until today happy.gif
dint get the Coaxial cable yet, was asking quotation from PcWork but no reply yet
Good news is, i got my int. amp this week. ARCAM Delta 290. Paired it with my Rega, this time my speaker really sing. Im so happy.
Can kindly let me know how can i make myself a coaxial? im eager to DIY one myself smile.gif


Added on August 24, 2008, 3:33 amOr next time you go Puchong can also drop by my place with your modded Zero + HDAM ? Can let me see how well Zero can improve the signature of my setup.
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u want i got 1m MIT coaxial with Canare plug come PM me tongue.gif
this is pure RG cable this is RG-59 and is running 75ohm
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post Aug 24 2008, 04:30 PM

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lol ccschua say me like god sad.gif i still learning only

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