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post Oct 17 2008, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 16 2008, 11:41 PM)
It is indeed your piece of legend. It is outstanding piece of works. Coindentally, I found the sound slightly better than OPA Moon in unmodded zero, very very close.
I guess Moon in Madmen modded DAC will give more accuracy and imaging and more warm.

TCXO is it USD 20 per piece. Can u get it cheaper ?

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The thing with TCXO modding is that it's not soldering in the part, but getting it to perform.

One has to do testing at room temperature with an accurate bench power supply and oscilloscope, take reading, do the math and calculate the probable drift the TCXO will experience during it's operation inside the DAC (probably around 38 to 42C) and then calibrate it using the screw terminal. It's attention to detail and care on the modder's part that makes complex mods sing.

TCXOs are sometimes preffered to other off board clocks like the LC Audio clock due to the simple fact that using wires may degrade the performance of the DAC more than it helps it. Plus it's a helluva easier to install tongue.gif. Weight the pros and cons, then install.

I've recently worked with alot of VCOs and TCXOs in time and hold circuits with my current major subject being on amps and noise reduction, and the chief thing they teach us is that everything has a weakness, application is the key to success rather than the part, why install an OPA627 when you can use a cheap NE5533 with a filter network?
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post Oct 17 2008, 10:07 AM

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in other word..let pro do the job (empire23 brows.gif )
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post Oct 17 2008, 11:30 AM

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Received Moon yesterday, replace OPA627 in DAC managed to spent about 1.5 hrs with it this morning. Not really exciting yet, hope get better in next 2 weeks.

Pro -
Transparent , Clear

Con -
No dynamic enough, feel very constraints (a bit gentle)

System Setup -
CD63SE -> DAC (Moon) -> NAD 319 -> Mission 771E + Cambridge SoundWork passive S/W

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post Oct 17 2008, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Oct 17 2008, 11:30 AM)
Received Moon yesterday, replace OPA627 in DAC managed to spent about 1.5 hrs with it this morning.  Not really exciting yet, hope get better in next 2 weeks.

Pro -
Transparent , Clear 

Con -
No dynamic enough, feel very constraints (a bit gentle) 

System Setup -
CD63SE  -> DAC (Moon) -> NAD 319 -> Mission 771E + Cambridge SoundWork passive S/W
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i think moon is more to the warm site ....
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post Oct 17 2008, 12:02 PM

 
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I reckon the Moon is the total opposite of the OPA627. The Earth is a compromise between the two.
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post Oct 17 2008, 12:03 PM

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Since Moon is acted as external HDAM and the CD63SE also come with the Marantz - HDAM. I'm still doubt whether this MOON can give musical improvement to my system.
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post Oct 17 2008, 12:52 PM

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Someone selling used Zero selling Rm350 only, anyone game?
http://hifi4sale.blogspot.com/2008/10/zero-dac-used.html
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post Oct 17 2008, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Oct 17 2008, 12:03 PM)
Since Moon is acted as external HDAM and the CD63SE also come with the Marantz - HDAM.   I'm still doubt whether this MOON can give musical improvement to my system.
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since now u not using the ur CD63 analog stage .... i think u try n see hehehe me plan for earth i scared moon is too dull n too warm due original CD63 are slow n warm already but i will bypass original CD63 HDAM n replace with Earth


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QUOTE(yehlai @ Oct 17 2008, 12:52 PM)
Someone selling used Zero selling Rm350 only, anyone game?
http://hifi4sale.blogspot.com/2008/10/zero-dac-used.html
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i know this owner .... heheheh he told me early he sell this Zero he got few CDP for sale also

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post Oct 17 2008, 01:30 PM

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Abel did u snip the two 22pf cap near the RCA out, so far, only Chua & GodLuxS did the cap snipping. Just wonder how this will impact the S/Q.
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post Oct 17 2008, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Oct 17 2008, 01:30 PM)
Abel did u snip the two 22pf cap near the RCA out, so far, only Chua & GodLuxS did the cap snipping. Just wonder how this will impact the S/Q.
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I suggest u dont snip the cap ... the highs will be more transparent, which i think wont suit your listening favor ...

To be honest, I found that the MOON not quite sounds like tubish, abit too clean to be!
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post Oct 17 2008, 02:10 PM

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God u r rite, Moon no tube feel at all to me, just clean and very obedient type I reckon. more likely I will switch back to opa627 if there isn't any sign of improvement after 2-3 weeks burn in. or perhaps get another spare zero for opamp swapping, anyway RM400 not a big hobby investment. smile.gif
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post Oct 17 2008, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Oct 17 2008, 01:46 PM)
I suggest u dont snip the cap ... the highs will be more transparent, which i think wont suit your listening favor ...

To be honest, I found that the MOON not quite sounds like tubish, abit too clean to be!
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I don't suggest snipping them, they're either the ground loop breakers or Zobel networks (latter extremely unlikely). If they're the ground loop breakers, you aren't doing the DAC a favour.

Just stick in some silver Mica or CG0 to replace the standard caps there.
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post Oct 18 2008, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 17 2008, 02:20 PM)
I don't suggest snipping them, they're either the ground loop breakers or Zobel networks (latter extremely unlikely). If they're the ground loop breakers, you aren't doing the DAC a favour.

Just stick in some silver Mica or CG0 to replace the standard caps there.
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Perhaps I am very naive to ground loop breakers. What does it do. What is the reason behind replacing the stock cap with the silver mica ?

due to my lack lack of knowledge, pls see how I install the RCA plug.

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also empy,

can i know if the following cap were removed on purpose or there is other cap below the board.

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post Oct 18 2008, 01:50 AM

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just plug in the moon and listen to some of my favorite songs..
and wat i get is "WOW" i like the initial listening, it suits my listning taste over the previous LT1364..

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MY CD63 mod already bypass the original HDAM soon replace with EARTH or SUN or MOON stil dunno who can borrow me to test hehehe
currently i using LT1358
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post Oct 18 2008, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(abel @ Oct 18 2008, 04:58 PM)
MY CD63 mod already bypass the original HDAM soon replace with EARTH or SUN or MOON stil dunno who can borrow me to test hehehe
currently i using LT1358
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How does the sound like after the bypass? ...

PS: It's me GodLuvSxS .... wrongly posted using GF's id biggrin.gif

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post Oct 18 2008, 08:41 PM

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sound more open n transparent and got detail bass are more solid n deeper , i disable mute function but one thing when off the cdp must lower the amp volume if not got buzzing sound

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post Oct 18 2008, 09:31 PM

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So the moon does sound " cheap" ?

What is next, God ?

@Abel, Can we mod earth to all other CDPs , or just CD63.

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Oct 18 2008, 09:31 PM)
So the moon does sound " cheap"  ?

What is next, God ?

@Abel, Can we mod earth to all other CDPs , or just CD63.
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yeah just check ur original can support for audio-gd opamp


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QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 18 2008, 12:19 AM)
Perhaps I am very naive to ground loop breakers. What does it do. What is the reason behind replacing the stock cap with the silver mica ?

due to my lack lack of knowledge, pls see how I install the RCA plug.


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Ground loop breakers breaks ground loop. A typical ground loop (a symptom of bad grounding) injects 50-60Hz of noise into the ground. This is bad because you'll hear humming on the output. A ground loop breaker rids these issues. The capacitor there is to shunt all the possible noises away. Replacing it with a better cap that has a lower impedance on that frequency helps further. A good cap is needed here to make sure you suppress all the noise.

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