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 The ZERO DAC + Headamp (NO 56K), OWNERS!!! REPORT IN!!!!

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post Jul 17 2008, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 17 2008, 12:24 PM)
Seems like most Zero owner favor DY2000 > OPA627.
not using 627 anymore? or 627 is too dynamic/bright for vocal lovers?

have one question, if someone have a mismatch:
bright speaker + bright amp, or warm speaker + warm amp.

can we use op-amp to neutral it a bit?

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yup can tune using the opamp and cable ...
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post Jul 18 2008, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(abel @ Jul 17 2008, 10:46 AM)
i plan for the upgrade soon but i still source for the Elna Cerafine or Silmic that hard to get in malaysia just only can find in oversea if cant find i think i will get for either rubycon ZL or ZA series or sanyo oscon or just find some cap that is low impedance

for upgrade the cap is not hard but how to optimize filter thats too technical for me smile.gif
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I think Silmic or the OS-CON will provide much needed musicality to the ZERO smile.gif
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post Jul 18 2008, 03:02 AM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jul 18 2008, 02:02 AM)
True, you can get get OS-CON locally too. For me, they provide good upgrade, especially on digital circuit (on DAC supply and sort). I try put it on analog circuit too with positive result, depends on taste. I put them on opamp supply caps. I never try on signal coupling/decoupling though

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Hi Najimods, may I know that those cap located beside opamp is call what? decoupling cap? I seen so people recommending Solen cap as musical replacement cap.
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post Jul 18 2008, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(yehlai @ Jul 18 2008, 09:11 PM)
wht? New batch original Zero stock opamp is OPA627?
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Those spec are set by retailer, stock is still the OPA2604, the OPA627ed ZERO is few ten USD expensive than original factory setup smile.gif


Added on July 18, 2008, 9:49 pm
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Jul 18 2008, 08:16 PM)
Obviously spoken from experience! BTW, now I have to help him find the OPA627 or else he don't want the Zero coz "if Marantz uses Burr Brown on their CDP, it can't go wrong".  doh.gif

So mikelanding, any chance of getting another set? ANYBODY out there who wants to sell your OPA627??? Thanks.
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I think your friend should listen to ZERO with OPA627 first, if he's more into vocal, he should really listen to ZERO with OPA627 first before insist on OPA627


QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 18 2008, 09:24 PM)
Well GodluvSxs has said that a better version of HDAM is coming out, in 6 weeks time. The designer of that HDAM said this.
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Hope that Mr. Ho really true to his word, i hate after all waiting yet nothing gonna realize! sad.gif

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post Jul 22 2008, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(abel @ Jul 21 2008, 11:57 AM)
ermm i just order some cap n ready to mod smile.gif
hope August can meet u all n compare ... i also wanna listen to madman unit u must come that day hehehe alot ppl miss u hehee
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Hi Abel, empire dude mentioned to me before, ZERO's PCB board is kinda hard to work with, use wick to clean solder instead of solder sucker when desoldering smile.gif

QUOTE(gatevalve @ Jul 22 2008, 05:43 PM)
went to hifi shop at one utama.asked uncle marantz to hook up marantz cd 6002 , marantz pm 6002 and epos 12.2.
results- midrange and high----good
            bass---so and so only.
conclusion- amp not good enough to drive epos.volume knob at 11 o'clock position and the bass still not there. this amp got 5stars from what hi fi magazine.  rclxub.gif

next, we used same set up but changed amp to denon pma-700ae (this amp got 3 stars only from what hi fi magazine)
results- midrange and high---- good
            bass-good tongue.gif

according to uncle, my marantz cd 5001 with zero dac(with opa 657) should perform on par or slightly better than marantz cd 6002.
now my wallet already itchy to get that epos  and maybe will pair it with cambridge audio azur 640a v2.0 and 640cv2.0.
for another set up i.e. for dynamic. drool.gif

cheers.
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Hi gatevalve, welcome to the ZERO dac club. I think with the upgrade of discrete opamp and some component upgrade, you will dig out more potential from ZERO dac smile.gif
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post Jul 24 2008, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(RAV4 @ Jul 23 2008, 11:29 PM)
I've been researching on the HDAM at Head-Fi since ccschua mentioned it a few days earlier. Everyone who has tried it seems to be very happy with the SQ. But ccschua also mentioned that a new opamp that can be even better will be out in a few months....

So... ccschua, we wait for the new opamp or we start a bulk on the HDAM?  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(stormspider @ Jul 24 2008, 12:53 AM)
I'm interested to join if someone want's to bulk the HDAM... biggrin.gif
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I suggest we wait for coming soon discrete opamp for one more month, if things wont come out, we only conduct a bulk of HDAM, I will keep on tracking with the designer, no worries smile.gif
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post Jul 25 2008, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(abel @ Jul 25 2008, 02:52 PM)
Some of my Elna cap just arrived tonight will going to mod my Zero for stage 1 tongue.gif 
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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 25 2008, 06:07 PM)
Just back from KLIAV.

The most unforgetable event, the KEF LS 3/5A.

The second most unforgetable sound, Harbeth SHL 5.

Others are just too expensive, and certain frequency just dont sound right.

The most interesting CD track, NIL Lofgren Live and Whitesnack live in Tokyo. (my god, isnt that whitesnake is heavy metal)

Not too crowded, just nice.

Just got the power cord (so called Asylum). From external, I know this power cord make my stock cable to dust. going to try soon.
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Two interesting possible improvements on ZERO dac, hope to see further review biggrin.gif
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post Jul 26 2008, 08:48 AM

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When I could see OSCON at those circled critical area? tongue.gif Anyway, please do have at least 50 hours of burn in first, looking forward to hear your impression biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2008, 09:29 PM

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Oh ya, forgot to update with 3rd bulk buyer, the stock is already lying at port klang! Now waiting for uncle kastam besok habis minum kopi then faster clear it biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2008, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jul 27 2008, 09:45 PM)
lets ask yulong and iBraso gang out to pk
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Maybe not this time, we are sharing idea to improve on it than PKing, last time 1st bulk gathering just few ppl we took more than 4 hours to dismiss, imagine this time estimate over 10 ppl including those seasoned ZERO user icon_question.gif Those seasoned ZERO owner will gotta brag how their own "OPAMPed" ZERO sound great! tongue.gif It should takes some time for them to fin speech like VVIP tongue.gif

I'll bring along, LT1364, LT1469, OPA2134 and OPA2107, then Chua should bring along the DY2000 and maybe try to borrow Abel's opamp colllection LOL. We could only test it with headphone, I can bring along my cheapo Philips SHP895 biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 27 2008, 09:38 PM)
Oh my. It feels like time to pk.

so are the Team ZERO going to meet. let's suggest where to meet and who will bring what.

I will come with Volex power cord lol.
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QUOTE(gatevalve @ Jul 27 2008, 09:43 PM)
ok chua, how about this sunday...my house or mr khwang's place.

i really impressed with harbeth and pmc set up.......need to save some more money.....i will eat instant noodle only for next 3 months.
tomorrow i will go to desa lowyat to audit marantz cd 6002, nad 542, and cambridge audio azur 640v2.will pair them with my zerodac and soundstage 1.5.got quite good offer from them.

then drop by at tong lee.......want to know about internal mod on amp.
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QUOTE(gatevalve @ Jul 27 2008, 09:49 PM)
for zero dac owner tt i guess chua can bring his aad speaker.
i can bring my cd player,sounstage amp, interconnect and speaker cable.
then the rest of the owner can bring their own dac owr amp.
we need to get one good location......
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Wow guys, as usuall we are gathering at KL sentral's starbucks cafe, easily accessible yet in quite fair distance for everyone. I guess we cant play along with speaker cool2.gif

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post Jul 27 2008, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 27 2008, 09:58 PM)
Yeah lah. PKing the opamp and small upgrade that we have done. So I will bring power cord and DY2000. I will Madmen can bring the modded unit for test.

U can also bring your mystery gadget if can.
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Heard that Stormspider got this Darth Beyer, if Darth Beyer is there, I could see Empire modded ZERO together with DT990 smile.gif
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post Jul 28 2008, 11:05 PM

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It's please to see that ZERO dac is performing quite decent compare to established brand. Hope to dig out more compatible component from around the world so that we could unleashed the potential of ZERO biggrin.gif
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post Jul 29 2008, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 29 2008, 09:31 PM)
Wow the mod that I have been waiting for. Please see for yourself how highly rank is ZERO DAC and the great potential in the Lampization mod.

please take a look at this.

http://www.lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/REFERE...AC/ZERODAC.html

I hope someone can do this for me, our homebound Empire23.
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If Empire23 willing to do it, I would start sourcing for components too biggrin.gif
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post Jul 29 2008, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(ccschua @ Jul 29 2008, 10:52 PM)
Yeah and I think the costs is not high. The improvement is basically coming from the removal of opamp, instead uses tube buffer, which is more desirable. It looks to me not somany component is involved, so it would be kind of easy.

so can call Zero tube.
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Hope that someone to comes out a way to hide the tube inside instead of showing it, looks kinda ugly to biggrin.gif
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post Jul 30 2008, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(DIYJewelryClub @ Jul 29 2008, 08:43 PM)
Yes there is budget way and expensive way of doing things. I like the way zero dac is being implemented, the choice to opamp rolling. it is very fun rolling those opamp, if u have the time, try the LT 1057, LM 4562.

Lawrence says LM 4562 is suppose to challenge the OPA 627.

I notice AD are seldom used. if u look at AD 797, it was once so popular, that those marantz player sure have it.

so good to know the soundstage get upgraded.
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I also wish to try AD797 too, it's mentioned to be quite natural and warm compare to the AD house sound, but too bad it's not stable in the DAC section sad.gif

QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 30 2008, 07:41 AM)
^ problem is never really with the tube most of the time. It's getting someone to cut a hole through that steel, deburr the edges and attaching the necessary mounting hardware tongue.gif. I used to be able to do casework, but when i moved house, my BD RTX-1 was lost, probably stolen by the movers, so case work would be shiate hard.

Over here i just swipe my card to enter the mech lab laugh.gif. Going to build mah biggest amp yet. Hopefully my folks will find the time to send over my soldering iron. I'm planning to get a DAC to play with as a sideline.
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LOL how much is the BD RTX-1? tongue.gif The tube outputed ZERO is too poisonous!
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post Jul 30 2008, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(dello @ Jul 30 2008, 10:26 AM)
I wana know... if u have a DAC and u want to use it with a cpu... how is it supposed to be connected.. say im using an aego-m speaker... how do i connect the speaker, dac and pc together?
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If your computer got either SPDIF out or coaxial out, then you could connect the DAC through one of these connection.

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NOTE: Red circled is Coaxial, Yellow circled is SPDIF


If your computer dont have these interface, then you could get a USB to SPDIF converter. Plug the USB cable from your com to this device then link the spdif cable with this device and DAC. Then it sings biggrin.gif
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RM600 for coaxial cable is kinda overkill to me. Last time I seen some seasoned audiophile recommend only to spend 10 - 15% max of your total budget on cables. Let say u wanna spent RM4000 on setup, so speaker cable + interconnect budget should be around RM400 - RM600 tops biggrin.gif
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post Aug 2 2008, 03:06 PM

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Managed to online finally at sungai wang! Mee you guys tomorrow 12noon at KL sentral's starbucks, bringing my cheapo SHP895 headphone and my chesky records anniversary collection CD smile.gif
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post Aug 2 2008, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(foongchinboon @ Aug 2 2008, 03:45 PM)
rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif  can i bring my lagi cheapo hd437 headphone to thr? tongue.gif
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Sure no problem, can test around biggrin.gif
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post Aug 5 2008, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(DEz012 @ Aug 5 2008, 08:32 PM)
I did check here for updates but as for the COD date i was not in KL & i'm not living at KL, so i requested him to post it to me as i have already paid him the postage fees. Anyone here got his H/P number going to call him up.


Added on August 5, 2008, 8:35 pmGot his number on the sales topic.
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Hi bro, sorry for not sending out your unit yet. I just got the shipment by saturday evening and post office was not operating during Sunday. Somemore my phoneline have been sucky for these two days while Monday and today I'm busy working at KL and just back to Ipoh. Promised will send it out by tomorrow. very sorry, please forgive me sad.gif

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