Anyone can prove the legitimate or scam of this Island Red Cafe ? I need it as a prove to discuss with my friends.
Island Red Cafe, MLM Business 5% fixed return
Island Red Cafe, MLM Business 5% fixed return
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May 15 2009, 01:03 AM
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Anyone can prove the legitimate or scam of this Island Red Cafe ? I need it as a prove to discuss with my friends.
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May 15 2009, 11:54 AM
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Anyone can "Prove" of your opinion ?
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May 17 2009, 12:37 AM
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Today just meet with IRC members to discuss regrading the scheme. I'm just share about what I'm understand from them and I want to seek for you all opinions. The reason will be my friend is new in society and he is interest to join IRC scheme. As a friend, I want to help my friend to find out whether this scheme is good or bad.
The new scheme is not same like the 6K investment as many forumer mentioned early anymore. The new scheme is a binary MLM concept and they didn't deny it also. The new scheme is : You can join in one of the level in many different levels with different capital (or they call the levels as stars), the minimum level is RM360 and the maximum level is RM4K somethings. Of course, high level = high capital = high return. Pay RM360 to join the minimum level, you will get a RM300 food voucher. The MLM is running as binary, means you only need to find 2 downlines, and the 2 downlines each of them need to find 2 downlines and continually going on. I'm not familiar with the marketing plan and affraid to give wrong infomation, so I just "steal" the marketing plan from http://azizulgroup.blogspot.com/ after I google it. Hope you all can analysis and understand. Question now : 1. The legal issue of this new scheme. Not investment anymore, it is a binary MLM already. Which license they need ? And did they already got the license ? (I already found out IRC don't have AJL license http://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/index.php?option...=215&Itemid=216) 2. The logic of the commission (return) ? Can be sustain for long term ? 3. Why they change the old scheme and create a new scheme ? I hope those who want to contribute the answer, come with some "prove" but not only based on what do you think. If the answer is based on your "think", no point we discuss it. I'm neutral in this new scheme This post has been edited by YuNGSeNG: May 17 2009, 01:06 AM |
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May 17 2009, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 17 2009, 11:05 AM) The most basic is that: Cherroy, IRC have a new scheme which is a "binary MLM", you can refer my post #284. I think we should discuss the legitimate of the new scheme (binary MLM) instead of the old scheme (investment). No company can start or run an investment scheme as well as taking in public money's deposit for investment without SC approval. So if one said it is investment scheme then SC needs to clarify it. I don't know the scheme in details so no comment whether it is legitimate or not. A lot of things can be run or happened to be in grey area. A real highly profitable company generally won't need to seek for other's money, as if they really need to they can through : 1. bank loan 2. become public listed company. which in this way, the financing cost is way way cheaper than other alternatives. If one is joining in a private company as shareholder, scheme, or whatever plan, which has no SC approval or trustee on behalf, your risk is fully exposed to the company management sincerity, liking and whatever they wish to which one is powerless to do anything. Don't mean to comment on IRC, just a brief comment on some general questions asked. QUOTE(jinyee80 @ May 17 2009, 11:13 AM) Please include some fact or point to discussion. We can't said IRC is scam without any proves. Thank you. |
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May 21 2009, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 17 2009, 04:02 PM) Actually any scheme or plan offered out there, the main risk or question we should always ask is what is the intention behind of those scheme besides the legitimate issue. In any scheme, we must sort out both legitimate issue and intention behind of running it. MLM doesn't mean is an investment scheme, 2 different front, but there are some grey area in between, that's for sure. If as you said, they run MLM, does it have MLM license? Yes, then you proceed to another aspect. Does the MLM cross the line of investment? Yes, then we have a problem with SC. No, ok proceed to another aspect. A company can apply MLM business and getting MLM license to run its business, but the company can just run based on recruitment purposes to generate fee and profit and money to the company, it is still legal, even you see it from left to right. Just we know it is not a sustainable way to do it. One can set up an MLM company that required member to put deposit or memberships deposit fee of 1000, if they can get 1000 member then it is 1 million cash that company can utilise upon without any sweat nor paying interest to those money. Imagine that MLM structure of 10,000 member, 10 million at stake. That's why BNM is setting a rule that ordinary company cannot take in deposit without any approval being granted. In the recruitment based MLM, Does it legal? Yes Does it making profit to those joining? Yes, as long as there are late comers to pay the early birds. But number or members are not indefinite, there is some point, it will hit the saturated point. Does it a ponzi scheme? Company and members will claim definite no, it is MLM business as it has MLM license. But we know it is no different and thin hair line difference between. Beside the legitimate issue, old scheme or new scheme doesn't matter, it is the intention why the company want to do it in the first place. Satisfy this question is the most important issue, no matter how the scheme is run. Take a bigger picture and see from the top side, instead of surrounding round and round below at the surface. No offence. Cheers. Above statement is none nor anything related to IRC or comment on it. QUOTE(whitegoh @ May 17 2009, 10:00 PM) my friend who doing this MLM irc tell me that they have buy over another company which it has license to run MLM. Good explanation from Cherroy, so now the question is coming.and they change the old scheme to new scheme is probably the old scheme is not running well so they change to new one. compare the old and the new scheme, the new scheme is much clearer and more easy to understood. IRC don't have AJL license, http://www.kpdnhep.gov.my/index.php?option...=215&Itemid=216. As whitegoh said, IRC have buy over another company which it has license to run MLM. May I know what is the company name ? |
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Jun 17 2009, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(peteryaw @ Jun 17 2009, 10:34 PM) if 5% p.a then it is very reasonable but rather low, if 5% per month, there is no business in the world that can achieve that...unless u do some illegal job 5% per month return is possible for a business. However, the risk is there. The above statement is not related with IRC, just general talking. |
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