i feel at a loss really, i dont get crime movies. i know that they are great but i dont get it, i dont mind the lack of action and stuff like that that dulls the casual popcorn movie goer

ive watched godfather twice, godfather 2 once, good fellas once and hell even american gangster

and i dont get them, seems like a borefest to me

simple. it's not your type, so don't try to force yourself to like something that you are not naturally attracted too, just because gangster movies are critically lauded.

crime =/= gangster

whatever, you get what i mean ya?

don get it? what exactly do u mean? mine to explain? what do u want to know about?



btw, watch scarface la.. the best of pacino

seen some of it, just that i find a movie about a drug lord/ mafia running his empire boring

Hey, try this!




I love it...but you'll probably think it's boring too

try se7en
brad pitt + morgan freeman

awesome for me

Which part you did not get?

Godfather = More like a story about a crime family from Italy. The rise and fall and how they climb up the ladder from a soldier to a godfather. Killing competitions. Betrayals.

And in Godfather 3...Al Pacino paid his price.
He killed his brother, his brother in law etc.
Finally, his daughter died.
Hit em hard.

Goodfellas = Another movie about crime family. How crazy they are when killing people. Ray Liotta finally made a deal and betrayed all his mob boss.

In all those violance, there's a lesson to be learned.

Try 'Casino'...pretty good too.

This post has been edited by Raikkonen: Jan 17 2008, 04:18 PM

taht shite is eipc! i love it as well...

much more great movies like The Insider - mastermind clive owen, and dog day afternoon - find it quite hilarious.
maybe ts have to understand that not every movie need to be explained so deeply.. i guessed thats what great movies all about...

hahaha...suprise at the final part.... try zodiac also ..........

well the running the family part, i love the characters like the short guy in goodfellas taht dude was cool. but just the running the family and the betrayals that i dont get, its like they fully explain why the betrayals happen so it doesnt come as a shocking twist. its basically what the movie is made on, the "family" which i dont get

I like them mostly because of the rich portrayal of conflicted characters, their lives on the darker side fascinates me. And who doesn't like Al Pacino?

Try Donnie Brasco too, and see the more humane side of a gangster.

If a crime/gangster film is a borefest for you, try "Analyze This" with Robert Deniro and Billy Crystal. It's a pretty good comedy about a gangster falling apart and seeking a therapist's help.

City of God is pretty good movie too about a kid trapped in a city of crime.

Lock, Stock and 2 smoking barrels is another good movie to get a hold of.

Movies about gangsters/crime usually revolves about "honor" or "code" and are usually tested against that tradition of "Honor among thieves". Movies like "Young & Dangerous" usually talks about loyalty in most of their films. In Goodfellas, Henry (Liotta) grew up admiring the Mafias because they represent what society lacked, a close knit family that doesn't betray each other, look out for each other and the prestige of being famous, a close resemblance to celebrities. The situation became more dire as Henry Hill cannot trust anyone in his mob family and fears both for his life and his family's lives as Jimmy (Deniro), whom Henry admires when he was a kid and treats Jimmy like an older brother, starts whacking off everyone who got involve in the heist, because Jimmy refuses to go to jail if caught.

Gangster/crime movies presents us as the neccessary evil archtypes to counter the world that revolves on black and white. In their actions, most normal folks would consider taboo but are facinated by their concept of "life" and how they live their "lives". What we, the normal folks, normally couldn't or wouldn't do, they do it without hesistations. Another good example in Sword Fish when Gabriel Shear has a conversation to Stanley in the bus.

Stanley: How can you justify all this?
Gabriel: You're not looking at the big picture Stan. Here's a scenario. You have the power to cure all the world's diseases but the price for this is that you must kill a single innocent child, could you kill that child Stanley?
Stanley: No.
Gabriel: You disappoint me, it's the greatest good.
Stanley: Well how about 10 innocents?
Gabriel: Now you're gettin' it, how about a hundred - how about a THOUSAND? Not to save the world but to preserve our way of life.
Stanley: No man has the right to make that decision; you're no different from any other terrorist.
Gabriel: No, you're wrong Stanley. Thousands die every day for no reason at all, where's your bleeding heart for them? You give your twenty dollars to Greenpeace every year thinking you're changing the world? What countries will harbor terrorists when they realize the consequences of what I'll do? Did you know that I can buy nuclear warheads in Minsk for forty million each? Hell, I'd buy half a dozen and even get a discount!

The characters in most of these movies are also presented with hard choices to either sunk lower than they already have, to the point you can't turn back or resurface back on top because you have a conscience. In the movie, Scarface, he makes a good example when he refused to help the assassin to kill the reporter's family.

Vigilante films make good examples, like The Brave One, with Jodie Foster. The character descend deeper into the world of vigilantism where she thinks she can't return back to her normal life. Another film, Death Sentence, by Kevin Bacon, makes another good example.

In the end, most Gangster/Crime films usually comes to one point of the show, making easy money without the restraints from the law of normal societies and be set for life. Variable reasons, either they screw up in their past lives by making a mistake and cannot make a decent future or their lives are already a mess to begin with and a chance to live again is presented, either way, there's a lot of reasons, including revenge. Blood Diamond, Formula 51 (or 51st State) and Inside Man.

Hope this long summary helps.

I think the movies that you pointed out are more like gangster or mafia movies. Crime movies are something like the Bone Collector, Shawshank Redemption (FTW!!), Se7en, etc. Hahahaha. I like movies that deals with forensic.