This thread is interesting, read every single word, and for the sake of making this more debatable and perhaps lo0Onger! Or perhaps, it should be better said is to keep this thread alive and more people educated.

Nope, not ALL breeders. I do put a price tag on my puppy for sale, and I do ask for a higher price compared to what is averagely asked, but i strongly believe that i'm not earning more money, or should I say my bank account had not exceed 1k if you believe me.

People might ask, wow you are selling maybe the most pet products in LYN yet you do not have cash in hand more than 1k? YES! Reason is eventhough i do put a price tag on my puppies, but at the same time i spend most or more than what I get. Providing them good food, good home, staying with them at home = not able to work outside even with a degree on hand.

Also, I do not put a price tag on them if money is needed to save their lifes. This is because, i love the dog.

But of corse, i know you are not pointing it to me, but just to point out that, not ALL breeders are bad. There are good ones, and it is really hard to be a good one.

Same in dog breeding. Too many unethical breeder and we can't stop them as long as there are buyers with mentality that price come first, ethicality later. And the fact that there are many, else how on earth these backyard breeders able to raise hundreds on dogs and still surviving?

My point is, we can't stop the unethical breeder and i dont believe people's mentality will change in my life time.

Hence, instead of discourage breeding, which means even people who cares will have no choice but to buy from these unethical breeders; i strongly believe in encourage responsible breedings. I personally thought that, If I find a person who is a sincere dog lover, who value a dog's life like his own, and one day if he appears and says "I intend to breed my dog", I believe most of the forumers will against the idea, and few will react kind of agressively, without even try to discuss more about responsible breeding. But if this person comes to me, and I realised that he is a much better candidate compared to those backyard breeders, I would say go ahead and I will guide you through it!

I dare to say that, I do agree with the request of some of my maltese buyers to breed their maltese, provided I known them for long, chat with them many many times, and they gain my trust & respect on ways they are treating their maltese.

To breed or not to breed, it really depends on what is your objective and goals.

Some breeders breed and strive for perfection. Some hoping to get the offsprings. Some don't give a damn about the quality, but they do it ethically. No matter what is your objective, the important part is, do it responsibly.

Like what you mentioned, this is not an easy task. There are risks involving the mother, their offsprings might inherits some genetic problems. Now, I see a person who is concern before deciding on breeding. If you dont mind, I would ask " Do you think that, a backyard breeder, or unethical ones, will borders?" If the mom gets into complication, and it requires a treatment cost a bomb, or at least cost more than what the breeder value the mother dog, do you think he will go for it? OR leave it to death? And averagely speaking, how many GR breeders on the market now, that you think, will stop breeding their GRs if their GRs have Hips problem, or they might not even border to find out?

And will the story change, will the scenario be different, if you are the breeder?

That's why, it really depends on what you want, when comes to breeding.

I prefer females than males, becoz, females on heat 1 year twice, males do marking 1 day maybe 20 times.

I can't decide for you, but I have to say, I am confidence that if you are going into breeding, people will have a better choice of breeder if they were to look for a westie. You tell me, how many westie breeder out there that you think will care more for their westie than you? If you can count it, then you know what I mean.

YES, I understand that my discussion is MORE on breedings, but one couldnt deny that "neutering/spaying" is always argued alongside with "breedings". They are buddies! Dont seperate them PLEASE. Thread starter kindly amend the topic to, "neutering, spaying & breeding?" or anything alike? Then this thread will be even lo0Onger and MORE fun for Pennywise!

Of corse, if we were to make it as perfect as what AKC or MKA says, then we MUST only breed to improve the standard, that should be the only aim.

But thing is, by picking the best male and mate with the best female, it doesnt mean that the best offspring will magically appear. Angel had achieve good results in dog show, but both of her parents are non show dog.

My point is, though we should strive to improve the breed standard, but we can't deny that only very few out of many will stand out as show quality, most will be pet quality. And if we were to depend on these limited amount of show quality pairs to breed, then most of the people still will have to get their puppies from millers.

Beside the purpose of breeding mentioned above, which is improving the standard, there is another purpose of breeding I am willing to accept or even encourage. Particularly for our very own country. As we know, most of the puppies bred at our country are from millers. We are not at a stage to even talk about improving the standard of breeding as most millers are not even providing the very basic need for their breeding programmes. Dogs are caged up 24 hours a day, stay away from human, no love, living in a filthy, unhealthy environment, just to name a few.

I would say that, though the long term goal should be breeding to improve the standard, but the very next step we should do first is, to REPLACE these unethical breeders. I would say if there is a dog owner, who cares for the dog a lot, who always provide the best for the dog, allow the dog freedom and provide the dog with a healthy environment. If he / she intends to breed, although their pets are not of show quality, I would say, WHY NOT?

At the very least, they are much more responsible compared to those unethical breeders. Then, only then, when we see most of the breeders are ethical enough, i only dare say that we should try to influence them to strive to improve the quality.

Replacing unethical breeders as the purpose of breeding might not be "perfectly responsible" but to me it is "acceptable" due to the seriousness of massive supply of puppies from unethical breeders in Malaysia. Getting a non show quality dog from a dog lover who breeds his/her dog will be much better from getting a show quality dog from a miller, isn't it? Don't be surprised, how some of the breeders who breeds to improve the quality are equally cruel as unethical millers.

This post has been edited by White Palace: Jan 20 2008, 03:11 AM

No doubt, adopting a stray is very nobel and should be encouraged. But sadly, there are too many, too too many dog owners out there that pick up a cute stray puppy, and when the puppy grown up so no longer cute, or the size or the temperament are not what they look for, they just dump it back to the street since they do not pay for it. This really makes stray population a never ends cycle.

I am at a position that mixed breed and purebreeds are equally lovable and yes, we might not NEED a purebreed, but it is good to have purebreeds around, isnt it? Certain people who look for a guard dog, at least they know getting a doberman will be a good choice. Those who wants a companion who stays indoor, perhaps a poodle will be a good choice.

Responsible ownership and responsible breeding is the upmost important factor if we were to talk about reducing stray population. It has nothing to do with purebreed or non purebreed. As long as the owner is irresponsible, what dog goes to it hands, he/she will just dump it to street when they face problems. Chance are higher if they do not pay for it, like what can we see around our neighbourhood. Sadly, lots of people who thought that their mongrels are not gonna get caught / stolen, they just let them roam free. Then, they mate, they deliver, then takes no responsibility to rehome the puppies, then here it goes, more strays!

Of corse, there are owners who adopted strays and view them as their precious kids, thing is, sadly, most of the people are not like that, else there wont be strays already.

If we can't educate and change people's perception, then even if we ban purebreed breedings, the stray population still wont reduce. Unless we totally ban pet ownership then, which is not we want to see. So i guess, people should really change their perception and start educating each others, purebreeds or non purebreeds really not that relevant. Humans are the culprit.

This post has been edited by White Palace: Jan 23 2008, 07:24 PM

Maya, now big girl already lor, super manja one!

About that gal... I think, i'm really speechless liao.

After say she must give up her mix breed coz no space for a cage, yet want to replace it with a male shih tzu so she can breed. Now, want to get a monkey somemore.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/592567

I guess you mistaken my meaning, i'm not trying to say you mean that, i'm sure you view purebreeds and non purebreeds equally, so do I.

But if a owner throw out a stray to bring in a purebreed, then that's what i'm trying to tell, that's 101% owner's fault. Nothing to do with purebreed or not. This type of people, should be educated, but if they refuse to accept that dogs life should be respected, they aren'y qualified to own a dog at all. I dont see why we should have one more such dog owner.

I totally agree with you, we should be responsible if we were to breed and it is equally responsible if we were to own.

If we were to talk about stray issue, then most are mix breeds as if a purebreed run lose, probably people will grab it already. Especially many irresponsible owners who pick up puppy on the street, they want a male one coz they thought it wont get pregnant so can let it run lose, but ends up? Their males mated with other females. Equally guilty. They do not get a dog from a breeder, and these people are the major contributor of strays.

But if we were to talk about breeding itself, then of corse, even if we are breeding purebreeds, we have to be responsible and respect animal's life.

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Added on January 24, 2008, 1:12 amVery true. As we can see many forumers who enter here intially, dont really have complete knowledge, and luckily, most willing to share and accept other's kind advices. But few, despites many encourages, advices, even harsh words, they just refuce to even filter other's words properly. That's saddening, but i'm glad that most of the forumers here, or should i say pet lovers here, are so much more open minded and willing to share with open mind.

This post has been edited by White Palace: Jan 24 2008, 01:54 AM