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aiman04
post Feb 22 2008, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(andy_lhc @ Feb 22 2008, 09:34 AM)
@xeno - debbie does dallas...........
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RX wanted to sell that, but then tak jadi... Maybe he's too sayang to let go... tongue.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Feb 22 2008, 09:41 AM)
my upscaler dvd player sudah sampai  whistling.gif  whistling.gif

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POP, get Yammy RX-V1800. It uses the same Anchor Bay upscaler chip as Toshi's. Can use normal DVD player.

Or, just admit la, what you want is HD DVD player, not DVD upscaler. tongue.gif


Added on February 22, 2008, 9:48 am
QUOTE(corez @ Feb 22 2008, 09:44 AM)
Wrong thread. MOD pls delete this post  tongue.gif
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The other thread can be considered dead already. tongue.gif

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post Feb 22 2008, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Feb 22 2008, 09:49 AM)
wokey, still thinking yammy or onkyo  hmm.gif
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Yammy la, for oomph... But Onky not bad la, but you know already about after service thingy ar?

You should go for demo first, everyone has their own taste in audio... wink.gif

QUOTE(corez @ Feb 22 2008, 09:50 AM)
Yeah POP is secretly RED and not BLUE.

BTW I just understand why the color Red and Blue are choose to represent those formats  blush.gif
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What is it? Why?

QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 22 2008, 09:51 AM)
DDD aredi sold lar

PoP, no tax again?
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So fast? I thought I was already bargaining with you? doh.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 22 2008, 10:01 AM)
bang... bila u ada bargain with me wor... i receive no pm also?

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Don't pecah rahsia la, I just wanted to feel elite...

QUOTE(corez @ Feb 22 2008, 10:03 AM)
Red laser diodes and Blue laser diodes or so I was informed.
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I thought both uses the same blue laser? Only blu-ray is finer? hmm.gif

BTW, the casing design is the only thing they agreed, both same, only different colors. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Feb 22 2008, 10:18 AM)
cover also same  shakehead.gif

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You have both ar POP? shocking.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 22 2008, 01:00 PM)
didikl, now one yammy only bring in silver or gold for msia and spore, kenot get black liao sad.gif
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Mine is titanium color! biggrin.gif thumbup.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Feb 22 2008, 01:08 PM)
I have been a yammy supporter all the well and will be getting RX-V1800 pretty soon. Dun care what colour leh as long as it sounds nice will do. I guess that's the only range I can afford, RX-V3800 is too expensive for me.
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Weren't you the one who asked me about 1800 long ago? Thought you already bought it? hmm.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 02:22 PM

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RX won't get the Yammy RX series one, he's looking for this:

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post Feb 22 2008, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 22 2008, 03:01 PM)
sorry, no black, i dun wan biggrin.gif
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How about Titanium color? Fits into my black setup nice for me.

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post Feb 22 2008, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(mpyw @ Feb 22 2008, 05:02 PM)
wait for BD-50 lar...the 2.0 profile player
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What happens when there's Profile 2.1, 3.0? Standalone players are hardware-based.

Though it's possible to upgrade firmware, will it be as easy as PS3 to update the firmware? If it is, why is there a new model every now and then?

PS3 loads much faster, optimum picture & sound, operates using software, and it's still the best BD player as voted by Blu-ray.com. thumbup.gif

As a BD player, 40GB or 80GB model PS3 will have the same capabilities with the same firmware.

Just my opinion. wink.gif

Or me unwilling to spend money again for a standalone player! Me not so elite. tongue.gif


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post Feb 23 2008, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Feb 22 2008, 08:51 PM)
No lah, it's got nothing to do with being an Elite or not b'coz a smart consumer will never want to be guinea pigs for these big giant corporations. Blu-ray players are all work in progress players, they don't have finalized specs like hd-dvd players, the safest bet, use a PS3 first, even if it is outdated, it's still a gaming console no matter what but seriously, I do believe the PS3 can be upgraded to profile 2.0 easily with no problems since it has an Ethernet port, large internal ram and a HDD but the main purpose of getting a standalone blu-ray player is to output HBR via HDMI to our A/V amp so that it can decode Dolby TruHD, DTS-HD MA, etc in its fully glory. For now, I'm happy using my PS3 for my blu-ray needs.
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I agree about the HBR output, that's one of the reason I settled on Yammy RX-V1800, for future. thumbup.gif

But it's not a too big deal for me though. I've done extensive research before I bought my PS3 and receiver. The difference between doing the decoding internally or by the receiver is negligible. The only disadvantage by having it decoded internally, is the "jittery effect". Now, I read about this a long time ago, and it was so technical and confusing, I already have no idea what is it all about. But I do remember, from those research I have came to conclusion, that the "jittery effect" is so detailed to detect, only a true, truly, truly pure audiophiles will notice. Thank God! I think I'm a true audiophile, but not truly, truly, truly pure one! tongue.gif

But that doesn't mean I will be satisfied with that forever. Because I bought the PS3 for blu-ray, not gaming (I do play sometimes, wink.gif ) that will be my BD player of choice until it breaks beyond repair. Than I would consider a standalone player, hopefully it will be cheap enough by that time. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 25 2008, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Feb 25 2008, 01:49 AM)
Maybe, it's a sign from God to hint you to change to Yamaha RX-V3800.  rclxms.gif

However, to be frank, the internal decoding by the amp will sound much better than PS3's PCM output.
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RX-V3800 is for super eilte like RX only. whistling.gif

Err, I don't know, can we really say much better? From my research around the net, yes, it's better, but most of them says something like "little"", not "much". tongue.gif

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post Feb 25 2008, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 25 2008, 09:01 AM)
er.... DD/DTS processing thru the amp?
i dun think so, as its a direct signal as multi pcm nia, no decoding on the amp part

i really dunno why, for chris botti its minimal, but can hear the differece, but hor... in protege, its major difference, after i switch to DTS, i can reduce my volume by 10

no ideas anyone?
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Time to upgrade the amp. YAMMY!!!!
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 25 2008, 09:11 AM)
eh... macha.... u ingat father in law i PM ke?
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You're not? Thought you're saving money for election campaign?

Sorry, wrong person... tongue.gif
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post Feb 25 2008, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Feb 25 2008, 09:37 AM)
correct me if i m wrong

all amp got DD or DTS DAC chip one

so when u source feed in digital source

the DAC convert it to analogue....then output ur speaker

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Added on February 25, 2008, 9:40 amsorry to say those Cinema DSP proccessing suxx when compare to same grade of Marantz & Denon
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Same thing happen to all sources. But RX says the quality different between PCM and DD/DTS.

Not fair lah comparing to Marantz or Denon. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Feb 25 2008, 10:20 AM)
sorry sorry to all cos i m using those

but i see new HDMI range is so far beyong my affordability now

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Same here, my Yammy 1800 was barely in the affordable range for me. Cannot go any more expensive than that. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(PrinceOfPersia @ Feb 25 2008, 11:06 AM)
why all people selling their BDs? bro aiman 3:10 not nice?? tot u ar collector biggrin.gif
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Nice, but needs money urgently. 3:10 got 7.1 PCM audio, so sayang to let go... Maybe I'll buy again someday. sweat.gif

QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 25 2008, 11:09 AM)
avbody jumping to HD dvd wagon biggrin.gif
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Look at the Prince la... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Feb 25 2008, 11:28 AM)
yeah, all amp has those chips.

but in onkyo 605, it cant process anything on PCM sources (as output by our beloved PS3). It accept the pcm signal, and convert it to analouge (to speakers). thats it. (i think onk 705 an above can process PCM)

Thats y a lot of people going for amps that could process PCM sources. (eg yam 661 n above, n of course upcoming 663, damn!).

for example my 661: Playing TrueHD on PS3, PS3 output it as MPCM (multichannel PCM). 661 accept the signal (PCM icon lights up), i add equalizer, speaker settings, LFE crossover, bla bla, and importantly i added Prologic IIx because to matrix the MPCM sources to my 6.1 speaker settings. And walla! im watching celine dion like im in the theater! smile.gif
DD/DTS is max 1.5mbps. While PCM/TrueHD/DTS MA is exact replication of studio master. (except TrueHD/DTS MA using compression to save a heck of spaces in BDs and uncompress it back in the receiver, bitstream ofcourse)

in my opinion, technically, PCM is far more superior than legacy DD/DTS.

in my experience, definitely PCM is far more kick-ass than legacy DD/DTS.
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Agreed. PCM kicks more ass, big asses. It's from the movie's mixing studio, what to expect?

DTS-HD MA / Dolby TrueHD uses the same source, only some tweakings here and there (maybe more complicated than that, tongue.gif ), to get it to their standards.

RX's problem could possibly be the 605, not the source. nod.gif

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QUOTE(apisgogo @ Feb 25 2008, 11:49 AM)
actually the problem is not on onk 605 (605 is 1 of best valued receiver).

it is PS3! hahaha

because of our beloved PS3 cant internally decode DTS MA yet or bitstream both HD audio yet. So if onk paired with a bitstream capable player (ie pana BD30), then its gonna be a kick-ass experience as well.
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I meant RX's problem. He decodes internally using PS3, but his DTS/DD is louder than his PCM source. That means his 605 doesn't do any enhancement to PCM I think (not talking about doing 7.1 matrix process, but the sound quality itself).

PS3 internally decodes (been waiting for DTS-HD MA update since forever), send to receiver as PCM is fine enough for me. The jittery effect is negligible.

At least until my PS3 broken beyond repair, then I will get a bitstream capable standalone player. wink.gif

(Deja vu, I think I've already posted this before! tongue.gif )
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 25 2008, 12:09 PM)
aiks... 1st of all , ps3 decode avthin internally, rite
so wat odes my amp do? just output the sound mar, no?
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Not sure la RX, it's an amplifier, it has to do something. Not just doing the DAC analogue converting and output to speakers.

Your case:

PCM --> PCM ---> Amp .... soft

DD/DTS --> PCM --> Amp .... louder

By right the amp is receiving PCM from both source.

Yeah, that's weird.

Better ask the gurus in the audiophiles la methinks. wink.gif

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