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junekaede
post Feb 27 2010, 07:05 PM

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Sorry, a little out of topic I guess.

People....I told my dad that I wanted to invest like few years back, but then he do not support me. That time I was still studying.

Then now, I started working already, I plan to use my own money to invest. i told him again recently and he disagree again saying that all those are craps and why are we investing on some other company's shares which you do not actually know them well.

I told him that I will definitely read those reports and analyse before I start to choose which to invest and he mentioned that all those reports are barely numbers created ONLY.

Whats you guys opinion on this?
junekaede
post Mar 1 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(htt @ Feb 27 2010, 10:15 PM)
What's your investment? Can let us know?
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oooh...i plan to invest in shares....does they divide into many categories?

I tried to call the Jupiter, and they ask me to open an account 1st

But I wanted to know whta im heading, what to buy, before i open an account.....

What do u think?


Added on March 1, 2010, 10:48 am
QUOTE(htt @ Feb 27 2010, 10:15 PM)
What's your investment? Can let us know?
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oooh...i plan to invest in shares....does they divide into many categories?

I tried to call the Jupiter, and they ask me to open an account 1st

But I wanted to know whta im heading, what to buy, before i open an account.....

What do u think?


Added on March 1, 2010, 10:53 am
QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 28 2010, 12:01 AM)
Number can be played around, but hard cold cash in the form of dividend is not. You cannot fake cash.
I know profit number something can be boost up, from various points, but cash cannot. So in term of reading the financial report, cashflow is the one is the priority to look at, not profit.

Company can survive without profit, but company cannot survive without cash. 

So if the company is able to give dividend from its profit and cashflow made, then it just sums up (99%) it is real.

Yes, any financial report can be made up, which is not something new. But it represent a small portion of it. We don't sink the whole boat just because a few in the boat has bad record. To say everything is created number is too much or exaggerated, no offence. As if like that, everything is society is made up number, or fake one.

Sincerity and looking after shareholder and corporate governance is the most important when invest in listing company as minority shareholders. That's why some old head or experience investors only invest in some stocks they are very familiar and which they know the company is always looking after shareholder benefit. The most important is to know the company, instead merely looking xyz company share that is Rm 0.xx, and buying based on the name and price, without proper studying.

One of the basic form of looking after shareholder benefit is always sharing the profit in term of dividend. That's my basic view, which is more about personal preference.
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mmmp, thats correct too hor... it means when we are deciding which to buy, we should actually analyse and see the cashflow first rite?

u meantioned that do not merely lookin at the share is RM 0.xx, it means that as long as we think that it is a good company, even that the share price is RM 5.00 also i can buy?

sorry for asking this question, sounds so stupid


Added on March 1, 2010, 10:58 am
QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Feb 27 2010, 09:28 PM)
If your dad got burnt before in the market, he is probably speaking from experience. I know my parents cautioned me endlessly about stock market when they learnt I started investing.

Looks like your dad is just being cautious and not overly trusting which is a good trait to have in the stock market. It is proven sometimes that numbers do lie to investors and even to pro-investors.

Although accounting practices has improved somewhat and so did the trading practices compared to last time which has helped reduce but not eliminate fraud.

I think your dad is just being practical and does not want you to be too naive thinking investing in the stock market is an easy thing to do. If you show him you can handle your finances orderly which includes good savings habit and personal debt management, maybe then he will think you are better prepared to invest in the stock market.

As an adult, it is ultimately up to you how you handle your money but your parents probably still have a thing or 2 to teach their children about money.
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nah, he never play shares before but my mum said he is very good in it. but i still do not know why he never teach me or never support me....

he is very good in business but he tends to say business is a game who deceived everyone......

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junekaede
post Mar 1 2010, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(htt @ Mar 1 2010, 11:24 AM)
Then you have to first setting your profile, whether you want to be a trader, investor etc. You have to set the return and the horizon you want and money to be invest in etc.

Cash flow sometime too sophisticated for beginner, unless you were trained for that, else you have to pick up piece by piece. A lot of people start when they know nothing, paying tuition and march on tongue.gif

He is correct, perhaps. The reason a lot of businessman don't play share is, the money invested into his own business yield higher than share. Maybe you should learn from him instead. tongue.gif
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Whats the difference between trader and investor then? im so blur now.

i know how to read the cashflow....at least not that blur....
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post Mar 1 2010, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Mar 1 2010, 11:56 AM)
Trader moving fast, trade day in day out earn money.
Investor buy and hold, once in a while take profit/ dividend earn money.
Roughly only.

That's good, then throw in the ratio and the balance sheet knowledge then you are almost there, plus industrial knowledge and macro economy as well, add in micro will be even better. But that things built over the years...

For trader they like chart and other tools (I never like that), for that part of skill you need to go to the main tread and ask them tongue.gif
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OOOH....haha...of course i prefer trader then....fast...

then if i wan to be a trader...the 1st thing i have to do is also opening an account in any of the securities co is it?

what account will that called?
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post Mar 1 2010, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Mar 1 2010, 04:17 PM)
Trader need a lot of tuition fee... go to main trad...

You need to open your trading and CDS account anyway...

Can call for remiser on the main tread...
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where is the main trade? sorry for askin....

that means i have to open 2 accs?

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