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post Oct 23 2013, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 18 2013, 10:31 AM)
Depends, saving and trading account different, you need the money to be in trading account.

If cash upfront account then you need the money to buy.

If collateralize account then you may utilize your trading limit, to be paid back T+3.
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Hi, I would like to know is it possible for me to apply an IPO using many banks?
Let's say I would like to apply for 200k shares.
Can i distribute it among 4 banks and apply 50k each so that I have a greater chance of getting it?
Thanks.
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post Oct 23 2013, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 01:48 PM)
No.. 1 person or 1 IC number only allow 1 application. you can hover split to your mother, father, sister, brother name.. to get more chance.  tongue.gif
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Now don't get angry at me for asking this.
How would they know?
Let's say i insist on applying under same name with different banks.
Do you know what will happen?
I am just curious.
Thanks for the prompt reply.

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Oct 23 2013, 02:10 PM)
IPO balloting will go to one center place is MIH, regards which channel(ATM, online) or various IB ; your application will transfer your detail such of application name, IC and  cds account.

http://www.mih.com.my/enquiry.php

If one of the application success, they will cross check detail of any duplicate information.

Now everyting is electronic, such logic for checking can be done.

If any body can break such rule, meanz there a loop holes inside.
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So, your application will not be considered?
Let's say i Apply 20k shares with A bank, 40k shares with B bank, 60k shares with C bank 80k shares with D bank.
How? They won't even consider my application or they will just pick 1 randomly?
Thanks for replying, I really appreciate it.

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:15 PM

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:22 PM)
AND all IPO data is computerized. a simple cross check if yield 2 same ic number, ALL applications rejected and will not be consider for balloting.  whistling.gif
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Won't there be a lot of work?
I mean you have to cross check with the data submitted from those applying using application forms(paper)?
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post Oct 23 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Oct 23 2013, 02:24 PM)
im not sure how the process checking sequence done ..;
i'm sharing the infor that the IPO balloting application will send to MIH,
to detect duplicate using electronic/IT programming, it not hard to be done, when they are center of processing.
im very sorry...this what i can help you.
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Ok. Understood. I am just curious.
Thanks for your answer. So now I know all IPOS application will be passed to MIH for balloting.
I was not aware of that prior to this.
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post Oct 23 2013, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:26 PM)
Here from MIH website..very clear.. if you want can try lor...

Q : Can I make one share application using an application form and another under Electronic Share Application or Internet Share Application?
A : No. Both will be construed as multiple applications and rejected accordingly.
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OK. So the best chance of getting it is to apply using many different names. brows.gif
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post Oct 23 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:29 PM)
The paper data is entered into the computer via data entry clerk. The IB application straight into database without using manpower. All references to IPO is based on your IC number.
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Yeah, but let's say 10000 people applying via application form, you have to check 10000 ICs.
That's a lot of work, no?
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post Oct 23 2013, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:31 PM)
That one is old school trick already..  yawn.gif

You can opt to 'borrow' a bumi name apply through MITI much higher chance

or...

Ask your IB for institutional shares (also more or less guaranteed)
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Wow I never heard before this, ask IB for institutional shares? How? brows.gif
If borrow bumi name, you must trust that person a lot lo.

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Oct 23 2013, 02:31 PM)
i work with bank...with 1 key button..they can know your Wealth in 1 glimps of eye close of second. all they need is your IC.

processing power is faster and faster everyday..with huge data input..they require more CPU to process only.

it dont need human eye; to see or human brain to remeber.  everyting program..to detect/sorting for same ic.

trust me..im IT guy for Financial instiution.
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What the hell, they can do so much with my IC?
No privacy one meh?
OKOK, i am outdated, I admit, i thought they need to key in like 10000 IC numbers.
That would take a lot of time.
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post Oct 23 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:35 PM)
As long as you got enough $$$$$ IB can put you under institutional shares.. go speak with your IB.. if they never offer to you before means most probably you not qualify to apply.  tongue.gif

Why do you think they say the rich will get richer...  whistling.gif
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brows.gif Oh, that's the trick la. So now no need so susah susah apply for shares already.
But i also wanna know, does CIMB/Maybank preferred has anything to do with their investment banking division?
Are you aware of that? hmm.gif

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Oct 23 2013, 02:38 PM)
pls PM your IC to me..i want to see how much is Wealth Networth...
Maybank hv more than 16 million client - each person hv minium of at least 1 FD, 1 Saving , 1 Loan account.
Not mention mutiple transaction enter/transacted everyday wich may do in maybank2u, on the branch counter or telephone
Maybank system will take less that 15 second..to know everything you hv, so they can sell you their product to you.

Walk to Finanical Executive and you want to invest your money, you dont need to tell them how much you save or loan..they can tell you in 15 second juz with your IC.
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But let's say all my life I've been using CIMB and all my savings inside there.
Maybank still able to cross-check? hmm.gif

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post Oct 23 2013, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:39 PM)
If you are high net worth wealth group, go speak to your RM and they can probably arrange it for you through their IB.
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But that is provided the bank subscribes shares in the company rite, no?
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post Oct 23 2013, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 02:51 PM)
All financial institutions are given a portion of Institutional IPO, the bank will take some and the rest given to it's best (ie rich) customers. If demand is high Institutional shares can run out quickly. Institutional shares you must pay higher (5%) than retail price (IPO ballot price) but no need to ballot.
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So the best way is still via MITI?
Let's take the recent IPO of Westports as example, it went up 6% on IPO day.
You minus off 5%, your gain is 1%, minus your commission.
You are effectively left with nothing though. sweat.gif
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post Oct 23 2013, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 03:00 PM)
Can always 'rent' one mah...  wink.gif Many for 'rent' if you ask around.. they ask kopi money only..  laugh.gif
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But very risky leh, money under his name.
He cabut how?
If sue him also cannot do anything leh.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Oct 23 2013, 03:11 PM)
You want or not ? i can introduce for you... brows.gif
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post Oct 23 2013, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2013, 03:12 PM)
Well that's the risk.. find a good friend can trust 1 lah... then belanja makan good good..  tongue.gif
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When it comes to money, even family members will try and fight among each other.
But honestly la, the MITI one best la.
No need extra 5%.
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post Oct 23 2013, 03:17 PM

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Not many people know this. That is why it is together with institutional allocation.
While the one for public is for retail investors, who does not meet the criteria.

Here are the conditions, quoted from MITI docs:

INTRODUCTION
These guidelines provide an explanation on the conditions and procedures to be complied with by individuals, companies or cooperatives when applying for Bumiputera Special Shares through the E-Form.
Bumiputera investor interested in subscribing the special shares has to register with MITI by filling in the User-ID Registration Form at the MITI portal, before logging into the system.
DEFINITION / CRITERIA OF BUMIPUTERA INVESTORS
Individual : ANNEX A
Company : ANNEX B
Cooperative : ANNEX C
GENERAL GUIDELINES
In line with the Services and Capital Market Act 2007, an investor who applies for shares that are worth less than RM250,000 is required to prove:
for an individual, a net asset worth of at least RM3 million; and
for a company, a net asset worth of at least RM10 million.

Applications must be submitted within the specified timeframe. Applications received after the deadline will not be considered.
Receipt of a complete application, including proof of financing, is not a guarantee that the applicant will be allocated the shares as applied. MITI reserves the right in deciding the number of shares to be allocated to each investor.
An investor must carry out his own detailed and comprehensive analysis and evaluation on the performance of the company offering the shares.
MITI will not be held responsible for any profit gained or loss suffered arising from the subscription of the shares.
An investor must, to the best of his ability, take up all the shares allocated and make payment within the timeframe set by the merchant banker/company.
Since a failure to accept the shares allocated will affect the listing processes and schedule of a company, an investor who rejects the allocation may be blacklisted.
SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS REQUIRED
Application Letter / Letter of Intent
Investor's profile:
Individual - Individual Profile Form
Companies - Companies Profile Form
Cooperative - Cooperative Profile Form
Supporting financing letter from financial institutions
Proof of financial capacity, such as:
The latest Bank Statement, for the last three months
Shares Certificate
ASN, ASB, Tabung Haji
Employees Provident Fund Statement
Other documents proving financial capacity or ownership of assets
For a company / cooperative, to submit the following additional documents:
The Latest Audited Financial Report
Board of Directors’ Resolution for the shares applied
The Latest Form of Annual Return, Form 24 and Form 49 (for company only)

I am not not sure what this means, so if u want to apply for MITI shares via a company, you need to have 10m worth of assets?

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post Jan 4 2014, 01:40 PM

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Can anyone please tell me why do some warrants trade below their mother share price?
For example: SKP-HA and SKP-CS both have the same expiry date but one HA is trading at a 10% discount compared to its mother share whereas CS is trading at a premium of 9%
Why is there such difference??
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Edited.

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