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viper88
post Feb 28 2008, 10:46 PM

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I think wat he mean here is its not a fair fight for 6Legs vs Jack and shouldnt let the spider fight.
He have no problem if both FS is not handicap.

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QUOTE(spinel-sun @ Feb 28 2008, 09:27 PM)
no wor,it's an statement giving to u ppl who u urself dun tink tat u are cruel jek.. whistling.gif
gor,he said ur spider fighting is a BLOOD SPORT!!  shocking.gif
eh,if u put 2spiders togather..if 1 dun wanna fight still it'll run 1 okay??u nv see b4 izzit?? whistling.gif
nv see b4 then dun say la.. rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 29 2008, 10:36 AM

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Wa.. i didnt expect BigHead will lose. I thought the fight end up like Bigleave. Bigleave ran away also?
Jack didn't do any arm pushing at all but just jump attack BigHead abdomen. BigHead unable to lock JAck at all!
The attack is too fast!! I didn't see closely at the slow motion video tongue.gif
Good thing u have ur camcorder.. can see more clearer.

Jack has become a full chop already,i think. Previously the video i saw, Jack still do some arm pushing awhile before do a strong chop at its opponent face/head. Its opponent also not injured at abdomen coz just got chop at the head/face only. FS face/head are the hardest and not easily get dmg/injured. Normal FS chop attack at other FS teeth or arms...just like in Spartan vs Pandan fight.

Spider Besi also do chop attack to kill other spider at abdomen.
I think ur Jack FS also become like Spider Besi already... it dont want to fight but just want to kill/eat.

The leaf u put in Jack case, is it dried leaf?
Wat i know, if put dry leaf for the spider, kept alwys in dark place and with little water or food, there are chances the FS become more aggressive/chop.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 29 2008, 01:44 AM)
Aiyah, viper, I put slow motion also you cannot see what happened in JackvsBighead encounter?

When the fight was over, I also thought Bighead won with a bit of scruffle and it was Bighead which was left standing on the stage. I thought nothing much happened. The reason is because it happened at such amazing speed. But NO, it was Jack that was left standing where Bighead stood and facing the direction that Bighead faced! When I saw the spider left on the stage wiping its fangs on the floor of the stage(white flat cupboard) and the blood stains it left behind, I GASPED! I looked closely and immediately knew Bighead is on the floor while Jack is left blowing the smoke from his gun.

Here i show frame by frame. I marked in the pictures reddot as Jack and yellow dot as Bighead.
(If you right click and click [save target as] for all this pics and save in one folder, then click View>Filmstrip you can clearly see what happened by typing arrow right)

All in all 24 frames... meaning ONE second!
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post Feb 29 2008, 12:15 PM

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Normally FS will only ONLY chop/kill at other insects for food. Its also do it 4 survival instinct if against any danger, kill the enemy bfr the enemy kill them.
If vs other FS it will not treat it as food and wack its abdomen like wat Jack did!!

CHOP displayed here by Jack is same like killing houseflies as its food.

I think Jack already converted to a normal spider like Spider Besi tat only hunts/kill for food and dont fight anymore.


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QUOTE(madmoz @ Feb 29 2008, 11:33 AM)
'Chop' spiders = hungry spiders hmm.gif

Seems that it is a learnt behaviour - that little fella seems to have picked on to the fact that if you jump and bit onto another spiders abdomen as hard as you can, your venom will do the rest...
Just curious, is this motion the same as when they hunt gnats and houseflies?

Talking of jumping, had a friend in Melbourne who had to evacuate the house on account of an Australian Funnel web spider paying them a visit.
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You are welcome. Nowdays not many people know or play FS already. All the young boys and girls play with toys or computer games.
Those days, in small town the chinese small kids boy and even girls also go catch FS. The boy who got the strongest FS will get title.. Spider King and for girl, they got title as Spider Queen/Princess. There are even FS matches between the boy and girls to see who have the best FS. rclxms.gif
FS matches for males FS and females FS also got. tongue.gif.

I'm not the TS, u have ask TS to post at 1st page the FS info i've wrote earlier.

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QUOTE(White Palace @ Feb 29 2008, 12:29 PM)
Thank you for your reply, I really appreciate your effort and had given it a good read.

Very informative for those who don't know that much about fighting spiders. I guess, perhaps you can post this detailed info up @ the 1st post, so that those who are new and enter this thread, will get to know the logic behind first before giving further comments?

Else, you might need to answer again and again tongue.gif
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post Mar 1 2008, 09:53 AM

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I think Spartan is also dead already. Yesterday after i reached home, i saw Spartan standing upside down at its case not moving. When look closer, i can see its bottom back abdomen already turn white. After i open the case, Spartan abdomen from bottom view also already become white.
Theres no other spider/ insects inside the case same condition like wat Archillies last time. The only differents is Spartan is still upside down stick on the case and its arms and bend not bend in to its body. Spartan body condition like weak and thirsty look. Try to blow n push slowly can see its legs and arm can move abit . I cant do anything much, just drop some water in front

This morning before i go to work, Spartan still staying upside down in its case. Not moving also. Its arm and legs is not bend inside like a normal dead FS.. Seems more like hibernating ...

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I really don't know wat happen to both my FS. After Archillies died, i wash and clean its case and put spartan inside the case. Poisoning from water/food/case/ disease or venom from fight? As far from FS fight experience normal FS don't have venom, they only got strong bites that kill insects for food. After about 1 week later Spartan also end up like Archilles. Could it be bcoz i've removed the female FS from its case?

There goes my another best FS.. cry.gif

Now only got X, X2 and Lily2.

Full chops FS are not fighting, they just wanna kill.. half/partial chop FS are the one that fight using its arms, strenght for pushing /lock and at the same time try to kill its opponent during fight.

Wa.. no leaf in Jack case? He will get very stressed up coz very much different from its habitat environment.. Maybe tat why he become so fierce and only chop/kill ?Cant blame Jack, it has change its natural fighting style due to some unknown cause. Since we know Jack has converted to a full chop like Spider Besi /Hantu and a very dangerous 1, its better not fight it with a normal FS.

So far I only allow a fierce FS fight a partial/half chop fierce FS. A full chop tat aim abdomen for kill is too risky to fght. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Feb 29 2008, 11:31 PM)
Heh... my sis don't like my demon butt biting spider very much either. She ask me wheather she can swat it.  doh.gif

To me, chops are just using another way of fighting instead of going head-on with pushing. Basically in head-on fights usually the spider with more strength and endurance will win. Manoveuring techniques(Spartan is a perfect example) is also important but when the arms are lock, it's to a large degree strength vs strength. If a small guy would to fight a big guy, going head-on would be the most stupid thing to do. It's like in Dota, if you use a intelligent/melee hero, you're not going to fight face-to-face with a strength hero. Sure mati.

Another thing we can see is that the danger of  a chop spider is not just in its attacking but also in the very start of its encounter with the opponent. Very often, the chop either show little display or just widen or lift its forelegs/arms. If you see a kecut spider, it also lift its arms when it sees another spider, and then it runs. Chops seems to imitate that but instead of running it walks SLOWLY forward. This ability to trick its opponent by holding an unassuming position just before striking with lighting speed is also a key to their successful style.
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post Mar 2 2008, 09:23 AM

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Yeah..i still couldn't figure out wat are the cause of the sudden death to my FS..

Archilles - never eat any houseflies bfr.
Spartan - eat 2-3 medium houseflies.

Both FS i fed mostly with plant flies, fruit flies, small red ants, small black/grey flying insects tat found hanging in the toilet or around my house.
The FS also got drank mandarin oranges, watermelon, papaya juice, RO and pipe water ...most of the time fruit juice .. RO & pipe water the FS hardly drink.

Spartan still staying upside down in its case...arm and leg position not bend in. Want to see if theres any changes.
If u coming tomorrow, you can have a look.

The case i use to keep the FS is a hard plastic case with holes made using soldering tool. I've wash it clean and dry it out under the sun before i put the fs inside. I notice after few days the female partner and eggs removed from the case, the FS will end up the same.

Ants also eat dead houseflies n drink fruit juice... in the FS habitat, the FS i saw/caught tat time are either eating ants or leaf flies .. there are house flies also there but not sure the fs is able to chop at it fast at open air place. The big FS i think ate much bigger insects like bigger flies etcs.. those male fs tatt eat ants normally quite thin n small size.

Raining water is one of the main source of water for insects or spiders. Rain water contain acid and after few hours only the acid ph will go low ..
Some of the fruit juice might be too thick/sticky to digest..and need to drop later more plain water for the FS.

Actually last time in skol days i also fed my FS with medium houseflies, ants, fruit juice m etc without any problem. I fed my FS till Big big n very strong. tongue.gif Only different is last time i didnt keep female FS together with the male FS for many days. Just short while to make the male excited bfr fight.

I think to be safer side maybe its better just use RO water and feed the FS with ants or small fruit/plant flies?


Heres are my current FS. Caught a new FS. Name it as HOPE. icon_idea.gif

X - Notice the colour like Spartan and Archilles?
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Lily2 - Getting bigger ady.. likes 2 eat. Bigger than X but arm shorter tongue.gif
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X2 - the smallest among the other FS i got.. Average size not so small la.. Lost in few fights previously but not kecut easily
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HOPE - Quite big also. Still smaller abit than Spartan.
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Let X2 fight with Hope yesterday. Just to test HOPE fighting skill.

HOPE won coz bigger and stronger than X2.
HOPE got the look and fighting stance position like Archilles. Maybe more confident fight smaller opponent?
See the video.

1st round HOPE managed to throw X2 up to the sky! icon_idea.gif Just a short fight only.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/0D4BE9D735AD20E5

2nd round X2 put up a good fight... manage to defend well even after kena 2 chops attk by HOPE.. the 3rd chop X2 gave up.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/6ACC23713889FC82

Both FS not injured. flex.gif

Mindstorm - Thanks for uploading the video Archilles vs Spartan in Youtube. .

Eventho both FS are gone, they will be in my memory forever. smile.gif

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post Mar 4 2008, 01:00 PM

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I never see any white colour fungus bfr.... most fungus i saw the colour like light green, brown or black colour 1.
The white colour stuff looks abit the web/nest for FS egg... i oso not really sure but looks like thick concerntrated web to me.
The white stuff is inside the abdomen, can see from the bottom its abdomen all turn white, from top the white stuff covers it from outer part of its abdomen.

I do put the fs outdoor to get some light, its case oso see thru type. I don't think darkness cause this death... i oso got keep my FS school time in Trebor round sweet case.
Its noy see thru type and i alwys keep the FS under my bed. My FS turn dark black colour and whenever i open the case, its very wild and active. FS normally will hide under the leaf to avoid too much sunlight

Now i feed my FS with fruit flies, plant flies, ants and normal RO water only.
Hope everything goes well.

THis morning Mindstorm come over and we fight the spiders again.
After Hope, Lily2, X lost to BigHead yesterday, Lily2 and X abit kecut/no in mood to fight ady.

Exciting fight SmallChop vs Lily3.
Just caught Lily3 this morning. Lily3 won but both FS oso injured coz chop each other arms.

Another new FS i caught this morning is RedLeaf.
Defeatd Bro1.

Jack defeated Lily2 in today rematch. Jack as usual chop again but Lily2 still managed to lock Jack down. After a few chops, both FS flip over each other and one ran away. At 1st i thought Lily2 won
but after check again.. not Lily2 but Jack won. Lily2 managed to ran away without any injury but kecut when try fight with Jack again.

Jack also defeated X easily. Just chop den X ran away.. no injury oso. Maybe Lily2 and X still kecut/no mood 2fight after lost to BigHead yesterday hmm.gif

Last match Jack vs HOPE. HOPE won in a fierce fight!. Exciting fight, both FS fight like mad but HOPE is more fiercer and stronger fighter. HOPE managed to launch strong chops at Jack and
lock him down tightly! After a long fierce fight Jack finally gave up and ran away. rclxm9.gif

HOPE never fight with X and Lily2 before but since X and Lily2 still kecut/no mood 2fight after lost to BigHead yesterday, HOPE now rank as NO.1
coz defeated Jack this morning and not kecut even after lost to BigHead yesterday.

Check out all the fight later, Mindstorm will sure post it here and youtube.
This time the video is clearer coz got Camcoder ma.. rclxms.gif

Currently the my fs ranking

1) HOPE
2) X
3) Lily2
4) X2/RedLeaf (Not yet fight)
5) Lily3

Actually abit reluctant to let my FS fight with Jack but i've changed my mind n decided to let Lily2 and HOPE fight with Jack. Lily2 and HOPE both are quite good FS. Not really fierce and strong type like Spartan/Archilles but okla..can fight well. I also don't think Jack is a strong fighter because win by bitting its opponent weak spot only so far and the fight is kinda short.. just chop den win.. doh.gif
I also want to see whether a normal strong FS can counter a full CHOP like Jack.

Mangrovejumper: Jack tried to chop as usual but was caught by Lily2 /HOPE arm. Lotsa arm lock and bitting at head/face and flip upside down fight but in the end Jack also lost. Both Lily2 and HOPE not injured in arms/legs/abdomen after the fight as both FS defend well very.

I think maybe BigLeaves and BigHead not fast enough to grab/def when Jack launch the chops.

If a chop FS can launch a powerful chop at its opponent weak body part, chances to win is high.
Same goes to a strong and fierce normal FS tat can defend very well and chops back at face/head/arms many times will make other FS/Chop FS weak and injured badly.

A very strong n fierce FS can launch powerful chops tat break its opponent teeth/arms and even chop its opponent face/head till it dies.
The stronger and fiercer FS with good fighting skill will win!

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 4 2008, 01:02 AM)
Met viper today and saw Spartan.. he is dried up and stuck to the casing. Very puzzling. The white stuff surrounding the abdomen..couldnt make out what it is. I don't think it is web, because they seem to growth outwards...more like fungus. The abdomen may "look" bloated because of this white thingy. When i saw it the abdomen of cuz already dry up and looks thin. Very very strange.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 4 2008, 06:50 AM)
You're right, I think the fuzz looks like fungus.  I wonder if it has to with too much moisture or darkness?  It reminds me of the stuff that grows on the skin of fruits that you keep for too long.  My other thought is the fungus grew from the inside...especially the fact that it attacked the abdomen only, very puzzling indeed.

Viper: What is the ranking for your spiders?  Hope, Lily2 and X all look about the same size.

Mindstorm:  Did Jack try to attack the stomach and fail?  It's also brighter...so it may help the normal spiders see and defend themselves better.  As mentioned earlier, I think if the normal FS can withstand the initial attack, they have a chance.
Bighead didn't even break a sweat, looked selamba only after winning.  I'm glad to see that Bighead and Bigleave have recovered.
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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Feb 27 2008, 05:09 PM)
Viper, as you can see, even with a head to head match, which is as fair as it can get, non chop FS are still at a disadvantage against the chop FS.  I think the non chops have a better chance in the fight if they can withstand the initial attack, which most of them cannot.
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post Mar 6 2008, 08:33 AM

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From the earlier video Hope vs BigLeaves, i see Hope chop is more powerful. Just one chop at Bigleaves can make BigLeave retreat.
Same goes to 1st round Hope vs Jack. Hope managed to chop at Jack right arm abit forcing Jack to ran away.

In the 2nd round, Hope manage to block JAck attack at the beginning and able to force Jack do fight with normal arm pushing before arm lock down.
I can see Hope was in control as he was at higher attacking position than Jack, it was then Jack use his right arm to flip Hope upside down! Hope managed to grab Jack left arm and still able to attck/bite when got flip upside down.

After a few strong chops from HOpe, Jack finally gave up an try to ran away but Hope don't want to let him ran away !
Hope keep on attack and uses right arm to pin Jack left arm down few times and at the same time use left arm to defend from Jack's right arm attack!! Jack retreat till the end of the ring and fall down.

Superb fighting skill from HOPE. rclxms.gif Good defensive and same time can launch powerful chops attack. rclxms.gif
Those who read Wira Tungggal will know who is HOPE. His a hero with good fighting strategy and can launch powerful punch tat can break moon to half! tongue.gif

I name my FS based on their skill. FS tat i feel is a good fighter will get a better name like Archilles, Spartan, Hope,.
Those i think only average skill FS i name it based on location/leaf and with number bhd their name from the places i caught them eg: X, Banglo, Lily.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 6 2008, 02:04 AM)
Here are the videos

1. Lily3 vs smallchop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHus-Qnqjqc
2. Jack(right) vs Lily2(left, won Jack yesterday in 25s match)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9yz9uiOBy4
3. Jack vs X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT2S-M6JLZ0
4 Hope vs Jack(2 matches in 1 clip)
In the second 15s match, Jack again manages to flip its opponent, Hope.
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But Hope was undeterred and got back in position to continue fighting(can see Hope is slightly bigger)
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In the end, Jack was topsy turvy trying to escape from Hope's strong relentless attack.
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see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WOVd9pdrDI

Hope win Jack, Jack win Bighead, Bighead win Hope... triangle ranking.
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The top abdommen white stuff is hard. The bottom is more like web soft type..the nite i saw the white stuff, i already drip water at Spartan front for it to drink and also at its body. The white stuff just couldnt go away. There are also some sticky web also out around Spartan place.. those like thick layer of web string for it to climb up direct from leaf or from the side of its case.. I've removed this whenever i open the case.

Fruit juice? i'm not sure leh..Last time in skol days i oso feed fruit juice 2 my FS, i oso fed Romeo with mandarin oranges also before i gave to my cousin in JB. Romeo is still alive and my cousin is still keeping it.

I suspect maybe its my room air cond anti-bacteria function.. It got function to kill bacterias!!
*hmm.. but last time i put my FS just outside my room. My room door is close.. but the FS range is quite close 2 my room.. maybe the air flow out...
Now i put further abit ouside my room.. so far ok.

Yeah.. can post a slow motion Lily2 vs Jack and Hope vs Jack video?
Can see the fight more clearer like the one Hope block Jack killer attack in pic frame mode..

Good thing ur camcoder got lotsa good function. rclxms.gif

Thanks.

Last time in skol days, i oso got let my FS fight with other spider species like Spider Besi and Spider Bandar which are killer chop spider.
My FS can kill those spider oso in a direct face to face fight but most of the time its my FS tat chop and kill them 1st bfr they can attack.
Of coz my FS is much bigger la.. i fed them tlll big n strong. It chop so powerful n kill fast.. aim at
the other spider abdomen and front face.. Killer chop attack. Its also part of my FS training so they can have powerful chop bite in fight.

But Archilles and Spartan i put inside with a small Spider Besi oso they dun bother to attack.. maybe full ady eat too much plant flies.. hmm.gif

A chop FS will always chop to kill its enemy. FS or other spider.. CHOP will wack n bite them kaw kaw.
Only experienced n strong FS can defend against a CHOP attack.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 6 2008, 08:53 AM)
Certainly it is not web la. If you look closely it is is like small spikes jutting out, how can be web leh? Web is wrapped round. There is white fungus but i was thinking.. i sort of remember the white stuff was pretty hard too so it cant be fungus cuz fungus is soft esp outgrowing ones. What is hard and white?... sugar?  Also what goes round the abdomen of a spider? Breathing vents? Could somehow all these be linked? Since you let your spider drink so much fruit juice...

Are you still keeping Spartan? If so, try dipping it in water and see wheather the white stuff "melt" away...

Sugar is sticky, and can certainly cuz ur spider to stick to the surface as it dries out...

There is one way to find out...do a control test. Have to sacrifice one spider then...
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Today not working, morning went to KL Tower Forest till afternoon and later went to Tasik Titiwangsa to look for FS. laugh.gif
After brave through the forest alone and walk around Tasik Titiwangsa till 2.30pm... only get some small FS.. haiz... Not able to find any large male FS at all.. only
2 small males and 9 females..i think maybe some are male but havent chg skin yet. Released all the small FS into my house front small garden.

Here are some of the pics i took today.

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The Spider Bandar is very big.. found 2 big ones. 1 about 20 cent coin size and the other one.. is very BIG.. almost like 50 cent coin size.
I open the leaf and was almost shock to see a big Spider Bandar inside..too bad its not the FS tat i'm looking for. sweat.gif

Maybe next time when i'm off weekend, i'll follow my neighbour go back his hometown to look for FS at kelapa sawit plantation there.


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Added on March 7, 2008, 12:38 amWow.. 20 FS... how do u put the flies into each of the FS case?

For me, i put some fruit skins outside my house to attrac fruit flies. Every morning, i just scoop some of the fruit flies into FS case.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 6 2008, 02:10 AM)
Here is a interesting video i took. I just switched off the bright lights at around 10:15pm but left a dimmer light on...
all of a sudden i noticed my female spiders starting moving.... what are they doing??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxh1c3M6SVk
I am keeping about 20 spiders now, males and females. Some people must be wondering how i get 20 small insects everyday to feed them. Well, just rear them loh...
Look at my staple feed for my spiders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6SSpZqG0vw
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Hope the FS can breed and survive at my house small garden.

All my FS kinda average size only...very hard to find big ones like Archilles and Spartan.

Need to try search at other place ady.

My housing area near the water tank got small lane to rubber trees area.. i havent go in there to search for FS yet.. coz tat place got wild dogs and snakes.

Next week Fri, i'm working.. sien.. work so boring. Go search for FS more exciting. tongue.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 7 2008, 01:44 AM)
Wah, looks like you're enriching the gene pool of FS in your garden.

Nice pictures you have there... looks like a big monitor lizard. Yeah, sometimes you think that area have lots of spiders may turn out to be quite dissapointing. And further more if the area is vast, take long time to find the hot spots.

Great, will look forward to your kelapasawit spiders, man.

Slow motion for the long fights? Wah... the file sure very big. The slow motions i did is for about 1 second... about 20% slower. So for a 15 second fight, the total slow-mo fight time will be 75 second. Maybe the file will become 20-30mb. Well i try and see when i free within the next few days.

I open the container a bit and try to scoop them with the casing my spider is in, sometimes some fly out...but because the flies have no where to go, usually they fly back onto the container top, there i can scoop it too. With ready food supply, i can feed my 20 spiders in less than 15min. Giving water takes 3 seconds. I just spray them.

Ivan from singapore wants to comeup to KL next week friday, are you free that day? Maybe 3 of us can go some new place.... icon_idea.gif
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Here's some info on Jumping Spider. Got info oso on its diet.
It stated jumping spider can eat dead/alive flies and plant nectar as part of its diet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_spider

The jumping spider family (Salticidae) contains more than 500 described genera and over 5,000 species, making it the largest family of spiders with about 13% of all species (Peng et al., 2002). Jumping spiders have good vision and use it for hunting and navigating. They are capable of jumping from place to place, secured by a silk tether. Both their book lungs and the tracheal system are well-developed, as they depend on both systems (bimodal breathing).

Habitat
Jumping spiders live in a variety of habitats. Tropical forests harbor the most species, but they are also found in temperate forests, scrub lands, deserts, the intertidal zone (in Malaysia), even mountains (one species is reported to have been the spider collected at the highest elevation, on the slopes of Mt. Everest (Wanless, 1975). Certain species of Salticidae are quite common in Europe, such as the Zebra Jumping Spider Salticus scenicus, which is commonly found resting on sun-warmed stone or brick walls.

Appearance
Jumping spiders are generally recognized by their eye pattern. They typically have eight eyes arranged in two or three rows. The front, and most distinctive row is enlarged and forward facing to enable stereoscopic vision. The others are situated back on the cephalothorax.

Colours and patterns vary widely. Several species of jumping spiders appear to mimic ants, beetles, or pseudoscorpions. Others may appear to be parts of grass stems, bumps on twigs, bark, part of a rock or even part of a sand surface.

Behavior
Jumping spiders are generally diurnal, active hunters. Their well developed internal hydraulic system extends their limbs by altering the pressure of body fluid (blood) within them. This enables the spiders to jump without having large muscular legs like a grasshopper. The jumping spider can therefore jump 20 to 60 or even 80 times the length of their body. When a jumping spider is moving from place to place, and especially just before it jumps, it tethers a filament of silk to whatever it is standing on. Should it fall for one reason or another, it climbs back up the silk tether.

Unlike almost all other spiders, they can quite easily climb on glass. Minute hairs and claws on their feet enable them to grip imperfections in the glass.

Jumping spiders also use their silk to weave small tent-like dwellings where females can protect their eggs, and which also serve as a shelter while moulting.

Jumping spiders are known for their curiosity. If approached by a human hand, instead of scuttling away to safety as most spiders do, the jumping spider will usually leap and turn to face the hand. Further approach may result in the spider jumping backwards while still eyeing the hand. The tiny creature will even raise its forelimbs and "hold its ground." Because of this contrast to other arachnids, the jumping spider is regarded as inquisitive as it is seemingly interested in whatever approaches it.[citation needed]


Vision

The four front eyes of a jumping spider (there are eight eyes total).Jumping spiders have very good vision centered in their anterior median eyes (AME). Their eyes are able to create a focused image on the retina, which has up to four layers of receptor cells in it (Harland & Jackson, 2000). Physiological experiments have shown that they may have up to four different kinds of receptor cells, with different absorption spectra, giving them the possibility of up to tetrachromatic color vision, with sensitivity extending into the ultra-violet range. It seems that all salticids, regardless of whether they have two, three or four kinds of color receptors, are highly sensitive to UV light (Peaslee & Wilson, 1989). Some species (for example, Cosmophasis umbratica) are highly dimorphic in the UV spectrum, suggesting a role in sexual signaling (Lim & Li, 2005). Color discrimination has been demonstrated in behavioral experiments.

The principal eyes have high resolution (11 min. visual angle) [1], but the field of vision is narrow, from 2-5 degrees.

Because the retina is the darkest part of the eye and it moves around, one can sometimes look into the eye of a jumping spider and see it changing color. When it is darkest, you are looking into its retina and the spider is looking straight at you.[2]

[COLOR=red]Diet

Hunting
Jumping spiders capture their prey by jumping on it from several inches away, and they may jump from twig to twig or leaf to leaf. They can jump many times their body length. They can carry out complex maneuvers such as detours around obstacles in order to reach their prey. Their eyesight is much better than the other spiders and most, if not all, insects. Most other spiders will only eat prey that they have captured live because they are unable to see dead prey (some long-legged sac spiders and anyphaenid sac spiders are exceptions as they recognize insect eggs as food) but jumping spiders will eat flies that have been killed for them. One jumping spider (Evarcha culicivora) is even known to only capture mosquitos full of blood, using their eyesight and smell.

Nectar
Even if there are no spiders that are pure herbivores, there are some jumping spiders which include nectar in their diet (Jackson et al., 2001). So far none are known to feed on pollen or seeds. When insects land on plants such as the partridge pea, which offers the spiders nectar through their extrafloral nectaries, the jumping spiders help protect the plant in return by killing and eating insects that might damage the plant.[COLOR=red]


Gliding
At least one species of jumping spiders, known as the Gliding Spider (Maratus volans) from Australia, has an abdomen with two wing-like flaps that can be tucked underneath it when not in use. When the spider is leaping, it can use its flaps to extend the jump and glide short distances through the air.

Venom
Some jumping spiders may bite to protect themselves if disturbed. However, jumping spiders usually escape and hide, and will only bite if provoked and cornered. While the bite of a larger jumping spider can be painful, only a few species produce any other effects. Almost all spiders (except hackled orb-weavers) have venom, but the venom of most spiders is not worse than the venom of a bee.[citation needed]

Reproduction
Jumping spiders use their vision in complex visual courtship displays. Males are often quite different in appearance than females and may have plumose hairs, colored or metallic hairs, front leg fringes, structures on other legs and other, often bizarre, modifications. These are used in visual courtship in which the colored or metallic parts of the body are displayed and complex sideling, vibrational or zigzag movements are performed in a courtship "dance." In recent years it has been discovered that many jumping spiders may have auditory signals as well, with amplified sounds produced by the males sounding like buzzes or drum rolls.[citation needed]


Added on March 8, 2008, 2:11 pmHere oso got good info on FS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiania_bhamoensis

Interesting point from the links:

Twelve different displays were identified during fights between males, including pushing, possibly to assess the weight of the other male.
Because two males will readily fight each other, either in a natural setting, or if put together, they are commonly known as "fighting spider" in South-east Asia. These spiders are commonly kept in matchboxes with a piece of green leaf and a spat of saliva for moisture. A spider that wins fight after fight gets the status of "first king". A common belief is that the darkest males are most aggressive.



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Added on March 8, 2008, 6:59 pmWoah.. see these FS colours.. so bright!

http://www.pbase.com/andrew57/image/84476916

http://www.southindianspiders.org/south-in...rs2.htm#Thiania


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Added on March 8, 2008, 11:24 pmTonight while waiting for the election results, i let my FS fight again. tongue.gif
Both Election and FS fight oso exciting! rclxms.gif

Lily2 vs New1 (Lily2 won. New1 is smaller abit than Lily2, just caught it 2 days ago. Wanted to test whether Lily2 has recovered from fight with Jack)

Lily2 vs HOPE (Hope won) rclxms.gif
Hope is very strong.. just some arm pushing, Lily2 retreat.

X vs X2 (X2 won) Fight of the night!! about 27 secs ! flex.gif
1st round - Both FS fight fiercely, strong push at the beginning and both fs got breakfree from each other awhile, X2 launch strong chop and both FS flip upside down!!
This was follow by strong arm fight/push by X forcing X2 to the edge of the fighting ring and almost fall!
X2 managed to stand firm and try to chg position back up to the ring but X do a strong chop and both FS fall off from the fighting ring hanging only by their spider web!.
Both FS continue to fight fiercely while in the AIR!!! Lotsa bitting and arm defend from both FS.!!
X2 was in a higher position than X thus have advantage. After fighting in the air for quite sometime, X fell down abit from the web but immediately X climb up the web and continue the fighting with X2 in the air! X2 didn't gave any chance at all, keep on attacking till X fall down to the ground.

X2 won rclxms.gif I feel X lost because fighting at a disadvantage position.

Feed both FS with plain water after 1st round fight. Rest abit 1st..

2nd round
X2 and X both fight fierce again. Both chops each other fiercely. I can see X launch abt 3 continuously chop at X2 but X2 seem standing higher and after chg position X2 counter with strong chops back.! In the end X ran away. X arm was injured abit. sweat.gif

X2 also injured after the fight.
Feed with water again, both FS was exhausted but still ok.

Didn't expect X2 will win bcoz previously it lost to X and Lily2. I've feed X2 with medium plant flies and fruit flies more recently and now X2 is bigger abit than X.

Current ranking i think

HOPE
X2
X
Lily2
New1 (not strong fighter, just for sparring practice only)

Here are todays fight. rclxm9.gif
Check out X vs X2 fight in the AIR. This is a fight we rarely can see. One of the FS unique fighting style. rolleyes.gif
Video so so coz using PDA hp camera ma.. sweat.gif

Link: http://download.yousendit.com/05D41A93439F6A57


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Ya.. i was oso suprise when both the FS fall of the fighting ring and still can fight in the air. Most of the time FS will normall fall of to the ground and continue fighting. X and X2 fight quite long in air and the fight is quite intense, i can see both of the FS grabbing, using arms to attack and bite each other continuously. I was worried oso coz, maybe the FS will bite off each other arms and legs while fighting in such awkward position in air.

Both FS fight quite fair while grab/bite each other but when X slip lower than X2, X start to have hard time trying to counter X2 attack and keep drop lower few times but still can climb up to fight. X2 keep attack and in the end X fall coz its web broke.

I feel X2 have a better fighting position/attack position once X slip lower coz X2 can cut of the web and let X fall down easily.
From the video can see X try to climb up twice to attack X2 but failed and fall down to the ground.

Eventho lost 1st round (i feel the result is even coz X still want to fight but maybe X2 cut off the web string.)
X also not kecut and in the 2nd round still can fight with strong chops but X2 counter chops is more painful.
X finally retreat and i can see its right arm is injured abit coz kena bite by X2. (can see in the video)

In my earlier post i wrote,
"X2 - the smallest among the other FS i got.. Average size not so small la.. Lost in few fights previously but not kecut easily"

I've let X2 fight with Lily2, X and HOPE previously, eventho X2 lost in all the fight but i can see tat X2 is a potential good FS coz it can fight quite well.
Eventho lost, X2 still can fight other FS in the following fight without ran away. X2 was actually for my other FS sparring partner to boost their fighting skill.

X2 also can fight LittleChop well in 2 round fight rclxms.gif I've fed X2 with juicy medium flies and now, its slightly fatter than X already.
Should be more stronger than last time. I oso feel X2 can defeat Lily2 coz Lily2 performance seems drop already.

HOPE is still the best, yesterday able to do a strong push at Lily2 and win easily. icon_idea.gif

Chops are fierce fighter.... maybe i'll try to train my fs become chop by putting them at darker place for sometime.. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 9 2008, 01:10 AM)
Very interesting articles you found. Didnt know got gliding jumpers. I also wonder wat Evarcha culicivora looks like...dracula spider.

FUIYO, another unique fight by your spiders!! Fighting in the air! They were fighting very fast, cannot capture their minute movements. First time i see FS fight on a web for so long! Got see before but not so long. Last part there i see like X2 cut off the web of X to make him fall? Hard to say if X2 have advantage or disadvantage position...afterall hanging on a web gives the spider not much support...
But really exciting match.

X2 is smaller than X yet now become 2nd king. X2 looks like a dark horse.

Here are the fights I have today. Not as exciting as vipers. But i think Redleaf is becoming chop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCZv8p1oCus

Here's Jack trying to be romeo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XteEYFroKAA
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Added on March 9, 2008, 1:33 pmHere got FS mating infos
http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/events/sustainab...ageflirting.pdf

Check out the FS pic here. Its colour bluish!! Strips pattern on abdomen oso different abit
http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/ph...ya/sh-malay.htm

http://salticidae.org/salticid/diagnost/thiania/thian-ph.htm


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QUOTE(Mangrovejumper @ Mar 9 2008, 07:15 AM)
Viper: Thanks for the southindianspiders link.  It will help us identify some common spiders in the future.

Mindstorm:  Still have no success with mating chops?  Haha.  What is the chop female up to nowadays?
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Ya.. i oso like the blue stripes FS from Tioman. Looks exotic and like a good fighter.
Thiania subopressa looks cool also. Looks very fierce type leh, its arms oso very long.. but face all black?
The cameron Thiana oso not bad looking.. but its opponent cant fight la.. kecut type.

This morning when i want to feed my FS, i open Lily2 case and got a shock shocking.gif
Lily2 become much bigger already. Yesterday i fed Lily2 with a fat flying insects tat normally fly near light bulb.. those tat their wings fall off easily one. Lily2 now is bigger than HOPE and X2!! It must be the food tat the FS eat and become BIG!. X2 oso ate a medium flies few days back, its size also grow big and can fight much better. rclxms.gif

Tomorrow and Wed i'm off. Maybe will go Tasik Perdana look for FS tongue.gif
Dang.. this month i don't have weekn off days... cant go Kelapa Sawit place 2 look for FS.

If you got pass by Ampang n free these 2 days we can let the FS again.
I feel Lily2 is ready for a rematch with JACK. icon_idea.gif

Ya, if u want Jack to mate with the femate chop by force, U can try my skool friend's method, press the female chop back abdomen lightly so it cant move, then Jack can mate easily with the female chop. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 10 2008, 07:35 AM)
Yeah still no success. But that's because the female unwilling, from the clip you can see if I can get a willing female, Jack would be able to mate. Must plan a hunting trip soon. I didnt fight females lately. The chop female pretty inactive compared to the other females. Mostly staying under the artificial leaf.
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Wow... ur KelapaSawit is reaally fierce! I see Jack still uses his abdomen bite attack in 1st and oso 2nd round fight against KelapaSawit but FAILED!
KelapaSawit block Jack attack and counter attack with alot of fierce bite till Jack ran away! Geng man. rclxms.gif

Jack beat Bro1 easily... did Bro1 injured in the fight? hmm.gif
U let the fS fight on yellow paper ? slippery n no tight grip ?

Today i went to Tasik Perdana to hunt for FS. tongue.gif
Reach there at afternoon time only to find out tat most of place is seal for upgrading. Only can walk certain area there like Taman Bunga Raya and Taman Orkid..
Only able to get 5 males FS and 4 female FS at Lily leaves n this type of leaves
Attached Image

1 young/small size and 4 average size males FS... cant seem to find any big or large male FS sweat.gif
Actually found another more 2 average size males but they managed to jump and ran away.. doh.gif

Here's the pics of the FS i caught today. icon_idea.gif
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Reach home around 4.30pm abit tired but i let the FS fight to test whether they are good fighters onot. tongue.gif
Let all the 5 new male FS fight.. all can fight but just short fight using arm pushing n 1 chop only.

Then i let the winner of the 5 FS fight with each fight with my lowest rank FS - New1 tongue.gif
Both FS fight very fierce man.. fast arm pushing, arm lock and chops few times! New1 lost!
2nd round oso the new FS won in short fight only.
I really din expect the new spider can give a good fight n beat New1. Decided to name its Kaizer.

I also let the 2nd best new FS fight with New1, New1 won easily. Name the 2nd best new FS it as Kaizen.

After the fight, i let go the bottom 3 male FS and 4 female FS. Keep Kaizen as Kaizer n New1 sparring partner.

I also decide to rename my other earlier FS tat i have

Lily2 - Crossfire
X - Xinan
X2 - Xonan
New1 - Nexus

So now my FS ranking with new names. biggrin.gif

1) HOPE
2) Xonan
3) Xinan
4) Kaizer
5) Nexus
6) Kaizen

Kaizer, Nexus and Kaizen are actually quite small/average size more like light weight catergory FS.
HOPE, Xinan and Xonan are medium weight category FS

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Added on March 11, 2008, 9:30 pmFrom my experienced, if a FS cant walk on wall, walk slowly and no appetite to eat/drink.. its more towards bad injury from fierce fight or continuous fight.
If the FS get chop badly in fight and cont to fight over again without rest or water... it will die in the fight or die few days later.
This happen to both young or large FS.

Ya.. maybe you can kill some flies or ants and give it to BigHead. Its easier so it no need to put much effort to hunt the insects.
I'm not really sure whether its due to old age/ disease/ venom/injury from fight BIGHEAD become so weak.

BigHead is an excellent FS tat wins alot fight. It fight well and never give up when fight against other fierce FS.


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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 11 2008, 01:46 AM)
Here's a tribute to all time heavyweight champion. He's getting really old(here's ur old spider which u say u never see before, Mangrovejumper). I only fight him with Bigleaf today and it was a no show(because Bigleaf also getting old). You can see his arms are perpetually bend while walking. (if you see droplets on him, that's because i spray water lightly on him). He is also ignoring food nearby. Will be anytime soon. I have let him retire horizontally in the leaves of my plant as he is no longer able to hang vertically on those round containers. Just now when i came home, he is still alive... snuggled nicely in between the leaves. I expect him to be around at most another day or so. Time to say goodbye...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRgw4-SZN2s
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RIP BIGHEAD... very Large FS. Not easy to find a large FS nowdays. sad.gif

Today suppose to meet up with Mindstorm for FS fight but he cancelled coz not feeling well.

So i let all my FS fight. LOTSA fight today!!

Nexus VS Kaizen (Nexus won)

Kaizer VS Nexus (Kaizer won) strong chops from Kaizer. Different fight arm position like ther earlier video FS name CAM.

Xinan VS Crossfire (Xinan won)

HOPE vs Xinan (Xinan won)

Xinan VS Xonan (Xinan won) - Great Fight. Lotsa chops and grappling!!! About 35 secs!!

HOPE VS Crossfire (HOPE won)

Heres all the videos!! I zipped it to about 9MB size.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/B0E6AAD528C07C84

HOPE and Crossfire performance today kinda slack.. eat alot maybe hmm.gif

Xinan and Xonan both fight very well. rclxms.gif
Xinan can continuous fight Crossfire, HOPE, Xonan and won all the fights! Very strong. icon_idea.gif
This is the 2nd time Xonan lost to Xinan. Last few days also fierce fight ... fight in the AIR!!
Eventho lost today.. Xonan give a very strong fight to Xinan. Strong chops, lotsa arm lock grappling and swap position few times!:idea:

Kaizer got good potential to become a very good fierce FS! Its abit small like 5 cent+ abit size but it likes to chop alot during fight!!
Nexus is bigger about 10 cent size but still lost to Kaizer!! I got let Nexus rematch vs Kaizer and NExus still lost kena chop alot.. but i dint managed to record video the FS!! doh.gif

Too bad i don't have a camcoder to record all the FS fight clearly.. have to settle for some average quality video coz i use my PDA HP camera.

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Ya..Xinan fight very well. Xinan use to be the lowest rank FS i have.. it alwys lost to Xonan, Crossfire and HOPE last time but i can see its a potential good fighter coz it can continous fight without fear easily. After i fed Xinan alot, it become bigger already and now Xinan is bigger than Xonan.
Xinan is also actually smaller abit if compare to Crossfire and HOPE!!

Xonan got the same colour like Archilles and Spartan coz i caught at the same place area. Xinan also caught at the same area but its colour like normal green only.

Nexus fight with Xinan? Sure Nexus lost la.. Nexus is much smaller. If fight Xonan oso, Nexus sure lose 1...somemore Nexus also lost to Kaizer which is smaller !

Crossfire and HOPE doesn't seems want to fight yesterday. I noticed something weird after i put in the Female FS i caught from
Tasik Perdana into their case. Both HOPE and Crossfire ran like seeing ghost? seems like kecut liao after see the female FS. I saw few times whenever the meet face contact, the male FS ran away very FAST!

After HOPE and Crossfire lost yesterday, i've release all the female FS. Xinan and Xonan seems normal even got female FS inside... but i think its better to release the Female FS oso.

I think similiar one area only got some really good FS tat can really fight well especially the big ones. Most of the FS i caught at same place can just fight for short while. I think it got to do with the type of leaves and its habitat surrounding place.

Like the FS i caught from Tasik Perdana lily leaves, only Kaizer can really fight well.
Kaizer is quite fierce and i can see it alwys alwys initiate strong chops at its opponnent during fight!.
Its fighting arm position sometimes also different and unique.!

If feed well and can grow bigger, Kaizer will become a very excellent fighter!

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:07 AM)
Wah, xinan rocks! Xinan and Xonan u catch from ur area... seems like use the same fighting style as Archilles and Spartan. The arm locking drags the fighting time. I timed it as 33s. Shows that the gene lines there have good stamina in fighting. Crossfire(lily2) seems no match to the other spiders..all no show fighting. Nexus should fight with Xinan?

I think from here we can see that fighting styles in spiders can be pass down. Styles seem to be similar in one area. Chops like smallchop, Jack, 6leg and now Redleaf are all caught from same area. Armlocking-stamina figthers like Archilles, Spartan, Xenon and Xinan caught from same area too? PJ fighters like Topman, Bigguns and Puchong fighters like Bigleave, Thickarms and Bro1, Bro2, Blackhead...all not so good when matched against the KL fighters. Even some seremban top fighter like Quietman is no match against KL top fighters like Bighead, Lumpy mainly becuz of size.
Hehe, of cuz all these i say is only those we catch, God knows wat really is out there.
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Added on March 13, 2008, 12:00 pmIf got good camera video sure good la.. my pda hp camera video quality sux..... if can record all the good fights like Archilles vs Spartan or
Xinan vs Xonan clearly sure very nice 2 see.

Ya, during my skool days i played FS quite alot. My skool got FS season every year.. normally lasted about 1-3 months.
Some FS alwys lost/injured my fren oso gave 2 me.
Even some of my fren who bored/duwan play FS anymore pass me their FS.

I keep the FS very long even after the FS fight season in my skol over till none of my fen playing FS anymore. tongue.gif
My best FS travels with me in a round Trebor case to my hometown JB for CNY, skool, shopping complex and also even to toilet. biggrin.gif

I recall the longest FS i keep is early of the year bfr CNY till year end. I'm the only one still keeping the FS even after final skol exam
No more fight coz no other ppl play ady, i just keep it as pet. I cant really confirm but i think got about 1 year or 10 mths like tat.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:16 AM)
yeah, i wonder how can i borrow or where can i go to maybe film using a highspeed camera MACRO, like those in some nature TV shows... then maybe can really see how their jaws sink in or lock close up and in super slow mo. haha!

Yeah.. his epic story is pretty much depicted here. Yeah, i also think the life span is around there. Last year the longest spider i kept was also nearly 3 months only. Most died within 2 months. I asked Ivan the singapore guy how long he kept his spider.. he also says 2 months.

Viper says he kept one for 10months! Holy cow... viper, you'll have to try that again with ur spiders now to get it documented.

I'm keeping females, named them but unfortunately i didn't really write down when i capture them.
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Added on March 13, 2008, 12:35 pmThe passport surface is good coz the FS have a good grip def from being push back during attack. Can see from the great fight.. my FS can def/hold and lock each other well. With strong arm lock and strong footing, the FS can def very well from being attack by strong chops/bites.

Its my camera pda hp focus kinda slack coz if too near the quality will become box/blur abit.
Hard to see and record the fight at the same time. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 10:33 AM)
I used the rough side of the yellow paper, so they have pretty good grip. The reason i use the yellow paper is because it is yellow mah.. light background, better pictures. I also prop up a white paper for the white background. The passport u use seems to be working well, allowing good grip but not so good for filming cuz harder to see cuz not so good contrast.

Before the last fight between Bighead and Bigleaf, I fought him with ur spiders.. surely no injury from just pushing.
Yeah, they can die from injury or sheer exhaustion... same like wat u say, walk slowly and dont eat. Bighead however have been gradually moving slowly for many days, almost 3 weeks... even when i brought him to ur place the last time..he's already slow down alot. So, i think it is old age. Even before he got his abdomen ripped by Jack, he already seems not so active in his container(i put him in a huge container). When he was at his prime, everyday at least twice a day he will be out walking...and he can wander about in its cage for an hour or so. But guess is that Bighead when caught has probably changed skin not long ago..at most 1 week, cuz he was still light in color and lembek..lost to smaller Lumpy. I think FS can probably fight well after about 1 week or so after change skin. Example is Blurman. Maybe peaking after 1 month and the peak can last maybe 1 month to 2 months. After 2 and half months to after 3 months, their prime is over.
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Ya.. show us the spider pic la Pitin.. we can hlp and chk wether its a spider Hantu or a FS.. tongue.gif
If its really a FS good lar can fight with Mindstorm or my FS. icon_idea.gif

Ok, today after work reach LRT station ard 6.30pm. While waiting for my Sister there, i go look for FS nearby a small shortcut lane behind where ppl use to walk to lrt station from shops nearby. There got some bushes and leaves which looks suitable for FS to make nest. Woila after search for abt 5 mins, saw 1 male FS! This type of leaf.

Attached Image (old pic my last time house garden FS on the same type of leaf)

I din bring any scissor to cut, so i use my penknife to cut the rear leaves.. abit worried the FS will jump/ran away. After carefully cut off the leaves, i bundle the FS into a plastic bag. tongue.gif
The FS seems not scared/panic when i cut the leaf.. saw me but jut went underneath the leaf only. Lucky me managed to catch 1 FS before go back home with my sister. rclxms.gif

After i reach home, i check the new FS.. looks quite average size. Same size like Xinan and Xonan. I name the new FS as Scorpio.
It got the same colour like Xonan/Archilles/Spartan! Light pale green colour. rclxms.gif

Here's Scorpio pics

Attached Image Attached Image Attached Image

After dinner.. time to test whether Scorpio is a good FS onot. icon_idea.gif Scorpio seems like confident and strong type FS to me.
After some consideration.. i decided let it fight with Xinan coz Xonan yesterday injured, HOPE/Crossfire still not confident to fight well yet.

Wow.. Scorpio really can fight well!
1st round- Scorpio lost
2nd round fight till went underneath fighting ring . (Scorpio won! Xinan fell off from ring and climb up its web to continue fight back twice before i stop the fight !)
3rd round - Scorpio lost !

Good fight. Both FS not even kecut after 3 rounds of fight. Too bad the fighting ring quite small.. the FS fight till out from the ring. sweat.gif

I also let Kaizer vs Nexus. Nexus try to ambush Kaizer from behind but failed, Kaizer chop at Nexus left arm!
Nexus arm injured abit after the fight.

Check out the videos heres.
Link: http://download.yousendit.com/17A1C04753222B6C

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 13 2008, 01:17 PM)
ok. I remember u said u caught one spider before. Wat happened to it?
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post Mar 14 2008, 10:03 AM

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I saw Spider Bandar like 50 cents size at Tasik Titiwangsa last time.
Damn big!, i saw oso got big shock! shocking.gif Spider Bandar is jumping spider species oso.. the normal one i saw at my house is only like 10 cents size or slight bigger. Saw oso Spider BESI like 20 cent !

I think FS oso got big ones... just tat we havent find yet.

Its a small lane near setiawang LRT .. got some ppl walk there.
Actually i just wanna survey tat place only yesterday but saw overlapping leaves,.. check check got 1 male FS inside.
When i see no ppl coming, i go cut the leaves fast ..lol. Got some ppl saw la.. but i dun bother them.. hahahah.. catch FS is more important.

Ya.. i got think want 2 buy a better camera or camcoder to record but think too expensive la.
Have to wait for u to record the FS fight better.. lol.

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 14 2008, 12:37 AM)
3cm??! Sure same species or not? Why can't u take back?

There are many spiders that look like the fighting spiders we have here but may not be the same species. 3 cm is really huge for a jumping spider.
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Added on March 14, 2008, 11:41 amYa.. average size... not too small.. its size like Xonan just abit smaller than Xinan.

Scorpio got good fighting skill coz can continuously fight 3 round against Xinan.

Xinan ate alot good food now become quite big n strong FS. Can fight very well. rclxms.gif

Next time i'll let Scorpio fight with Xonan. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Mar 14 2008, 01:35 AM)
Scorpio looks like a young healthy male. Twice it was able to push Xinan off the stage in the second round. Pretty good fight.
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post Mar 14 2008, 11:38 PM

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Tonight fights

HOPE vs Crossfire (HOPE won)

HOPE and Crossfire seems more confident to fight already. rclxms.gif
Short fight only..but got improvement from previous fight. In 2nd round, HOPE managed to throw/flip Crossfire away n won !. icon_idea.gif

Kaizer vs Nexus (Kaizer won)
I feel Kaizer is a partial chop FS. It likes to chop alot at the start n during fight. When Kaizer chops, it will grab its opponent tightly and doesn't want to let them ran away!
Nexus kena chop n have to struggle hard to break away from Kaizer in 2nd round!

I got strong feeling Kaizer going to become a fearsome FS when it gets bigger. rclxms.gif
Its fierce fighting attack style really impressive. rclxms.gif

Heres the videos
http://download.yousendit.com/81EBA1601833C231

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