Bavia update
17/03/08 - Caught female Bavia
25/3/08 - Changed skin
9/4/08 - Mated
13/4/08 - Laid eggs(4 days after mating!)
23/04/08 - Can see shape of babies(10 days after laying eggs)
24/04/08 - Counted 14 babies
28/04/08 - Female wandered around looking for food but by night will return to nest
Today(29/04/08) - Babies still haven't come out of nest. Mum still protective over nest.
03/05/08 - Babies came out(20 days after laying, 10 days after hatching)

Look at mum. At this time already so fat again. 16mm from tip of head to tip of tail.

05/05/08 - Mum laid eggs again!(22 days after first laying)


Only managed to recover 11 slings after they came out. Some got out of the cage through the netting, cannot find. I placed them all in a big container with springtails in it. Man, handling several tiny jumping spider slings is one thing you wouldn't want to do. 2 died on a leave after 1 day in the container for some unknown reason, so left with 9 actively crawling around. i saw some abdomen quite fat so they must be eating.

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Added on May 7, 2008, 12:31 amLooks like the time from laying eggs to breaking out of nest is about same for both FS and Bavia..about 20 days.
Gestation in between 1st and 2nd laying - Bavia is faster, about 22 days while FS about 28 days(Bighead third wife).

Btw, Bighead third wife 2nd batch kena eaten. I think laying on plastic container is the problem. Too exposed by light, and plastic, being hard, trasmit vibrations too strongly when being handled.

This guy also managed to get slings with ease following normal rearing style. Same like Liana.
http://upheavalofleetahsar.blogspot.com/20...ng-spiders.html
Hence best to use long lasting leaves like the one Viper gave me. So it's back to standardized procedure for me.


This post has been edited by mindstorm: May 7 2008, 12:31 AM

how FS can be fed (follow up of the recent article link i posted)
http://upheavalofleetahsar.blogspot.com/20...eding-time.html

should be able to. Just keep it and see la

Today went to find some FS, spend about an hour and caught 4. 2 fairly sized and 2 average. Caught another one at
viper's place. However all my new FS, no fight against even viper's lower ranking FS, maybe still young(head
still white). So all the good fights today are among viper's own FS.

Gleneagles(caught today by viper) vs Vanguard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-748NlhSpdg

Xinan vs Thunderhawk - nearly arm breaking, technical stop after 27 seconds for fear of losing arm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9inkc6qj-qg

Sigma vs Slayer - a close chop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbiUkzAsT1Q

Sigma vs Hades
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mgxJaRSRh8

Gleneagles vs Hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6trLS2Vz9qE


Today I personally witness the peculiar situation for Viper's top 3 biggest FS - Chaos, Sigma and Hades.
These 3 have a triangular ranking. Chaos win Sigma, Sigma win Hades, and Hades win Chaos! How is that
possible? I concluded the reason is due to Chaos. Chaos is probably the biggest. It easily win Sigma by just
pushing. However it is actually scared of Hades because Hades is chop! Somehow when Chaos sees Hades
charging or lauching itself on him(Chaos), it will retreat and run! Weird, easily win by pushing but scared
to engage with a chop. Sigma and Hades can put up a good fight but while Hades can lauch a strong chop
against Sigma, Sigma has no problem holding up and winning. In essense, I think Chaos should be first king
because of its size. It loses to Hades not because it doesn't have the might to fight Hades but because it
doesn't even try hard enough.

Today I also realized Viper and me have very opposite strategy to where we catch FS.
I fear catching FS near private land where there maybe people seeing or coming out to question me but I have
no fear catching in the most dangerous places. Example today I stood on the edge of a 7 feet deep cannal
standing on a 1 foot ledge trying to catch a fairly sized male on some creepers hanging over the cannal.
Tons of red ants(luckily those fast running ones, they dont bite) running up my ankle cuz i step on their
nest. Today I also climbed up high on a steep hill to see wheather there are any potential area. I hunt in
mosquito infested, snake/monitor lizard dwelling places. I would go into deep heavily vegetated area, deep
into estate plantations, climb up hills and crawl thorough wild bushes...basically anywhere i think not
accessible or appealing for normal people to go. Viper on the other hand tend to avoid going into these
dangerous places but would catch in places I wouldn't try. He catch behind people's backyard, people's
frontyard(to point neighbour thinks he is trying to steal their banana from their banana tree! haha!),
neighbour's compound, near guardhouse, near shophouses, at LRT station, lily plant in hotel compound(today!)
and best of all in front of Indonesia Embassy!! Salute you man.

Anyway my point is this. From past records, we see Viper's FS is the most awesome ones around. Hence, when
you see this from a meta-analysis point of view, the notion that "Fierce and big FS" must be found in
"Wilder" places really doesn't hold water. We tend to link "wild" with "big and fierce", maybe because we
think of the lion or elephant or tiger in the wild. But then again, is our orang asli bigger and fiercer
than our body builders and martial artists? Food for thought.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: May 13 2008, 10:33 AM

When i said strategy, i didn't really mean you conciously think out of a way to catch FS ler... wat i mean our "ways" very different due to our different fears and preference.

I also tend to "believe" that kampung estate area may have better FS, that's why i also go to estate to catch. Well, that's one of the purpose we have this forum... to confirm these and other "believes". So far, my efforts to show that "wild" area have better FS have failed miserably. Even for you, viper, and all the FS you have caught so far.... which one of your top/big fighters can you say that you caught from "wild" area?
Your neighbour could be right...at that time, at that place. He was probably also a child then. If we could go back in time and bring his fierce FS which he caught from swamp area and fight your Xinan or Sigma or Hades, there's no saying his FS sure win. Maybe at that time, to him 10 second fight is very fierce already... i mean, who knows? I remember someone from Seremban told me(and you also?) that the FS he caught was half his thumb length. Maybe as a child's thumb length...certainly not adult thumbs length cuz that would be bigger than my Bavia!!
Back to wild or kampung area... even you said your neighbour gave you a FS which he caught from his kampung..also average size, cannot fight. When i went to catch FS in kelapasawit estate, i also stopped here and there along kampung area vegetation to fight FS..saw one male with one arm...look average size also, so i din catch.
Eh... so until documentation can acertain this "believe", it is hard for me to say it is true that wild/kampung estate area FS really are better quality. To me, i don't see how is kampung area conditions any different than the urban wilderness edge we have here in KL. If you compare to very scanty areas, maybe true la...but the places you have been to is probably the best conditions for FS, that's why your FS are so good.

Bronze still kecut la even though it is so big. Bronze is caught in an unkept unused land with quite heavy vegetation beside a large canal.

Your Xinan and Hope up to now is about 2 and a half months... coming to their limit i think. See how long you still can keep them. I kept Bro1 for 3 months and few days(if didn;t fight death match, sure still can keep longer), while Bighead for 3 and a half months.

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Added on May 14, 2008, 12:20 amA picture is worth a thousand words. A video clip is worth a thousand pictures.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: May 14 2008, 12:20 AM

Heh, that's why catching FS is really an ADVENTURE!

Incredible awesome fight. One of the best to date. I commented on youtube. I'll add this to my list.

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Added on May 18, 2008, 1:55 amCan see your FS getting better. Fighting longer. But the loser quite relax walking away. Best stage to date...unlimited fighting area!

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Viper, wah, all 3 very good fights. Vanguard is clearly very strong now. Eagles defeated because cannot do much
Where you get the new FS? Should fight Vanguard with new FS!

Hades lived about 1 month 17days. Sad that a big chop is gone. Now Chaos will definately take top position because no other big chop to scare him, haha!

Aish, my new FS big but no guts. Quicksilver, Broze still kecut. When see Longarm rapidly approaching, they run. So weird.

So i fight Justine vs Longman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo0E_Gvzupk
Justine won because Justine is in healthy condition, walk with jerkiness. Longman no longer walk with jerkiness but like oldman. So the trick to ensure your FS is peak is to make sure it can walk with jerkiness.

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The female bavia i have eaten all her second batch of eggs.
Here is the female bavia eating a roach.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpMwjQLap-c


This post has been edited by mindstorm: May 18 2008, 02:25 AM

Chaos certainly getting braver. But at this stage, he sort of remind me of Bighead. It has the size and might but not ferocious enough. One teeth being smaller can still put up a good battle despite the size difference. And in the fight with Hope, Chaos did not chase after Hope after the first break, it just look at him and then turn away. I wonder if all large sized FS is like that. True ferociousness is when the FS actually tries to eat the opponent displayed in clips when Jack vs 6leg, and Hope vs Jack. In other words, body attack. That is really first level ferociousness. 2nd level would be arm biting etc. If a large FS like Chaos or BigHead shows first level ferociousness, I doubt any of the smaller FS would come out of the fight alive or at least losing an arm.

Choas at least now bite the arm of Xinan, showing its feriousness is rising. But it didn't directly killed xinan like you said, but Xinan died of fight exhaustion. Xinan is your oldest FS, so fatality after a fierce fight is not unexpected. You can tell the FS is in danger of dying even during the fighting when its legs start to bend inwards after being chop many times.

I have no doubt that repeated fighting and also having contact with a female will to some degree, raise the fierceness of a FS by raising its confidence level and motivation. We have since it time and again.

Viper, since you keep a record of the date of capture for all ur FS, you should also record the day they are released or died. Then we can see on average how long you can keep a captured FS. It will add to the knowleged base for the hobby.

Eg.
X2 (Xinan) - Feb 28, died May 17(fight with Chaos), 2 months 17 days

I didn't keep a record like you, now if I want to know when i caught my fs i got to hunt all over this site. I shall follow ur record keeping from now on.

Something wrong with my discs. The 3 free DVD i got when i bought my camcord now all cannot use. Only left one panasonic DVD which i bought. Hence i lost 3 good clips. 2 death match - Longman ate Takut, Justine ate Ioimm.
But now even Longman died after i fought it with Justine. Justine lost and injured but Longman also injured and died next day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32HIv5m_n5k

Another good clip i lost is i mated Bronze with a female. I took the clip from underneath cuz they mated inside my transparent container. Can see clearly the sperm sac delivered into the female. Really too bad. Will try to take another one if can.

After mating Bronze still kecut, dont dare to fight. But today no longer scared. Fought with Justine and won by throwing Justine high up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9xNHsPgZKE

Nightstalker died quite some time already.

ok, i find the correct link

Ya, dunno why suddenly Justine no longer look healthy. Right now, Bronze is the most healthy, walking with jerkiness and alert. Justine is walking tiredly.

I think playing with the FS and letting them jump and move about daily is important to keep them in the pink of health. Only when a FS walk with jerkiness do i have confidence in it to be able to win a fight.

ya, Bronze can try Sigma although i think your Sigma is damn fierce.

yeah, that was quite a long time ago.

I had trouble keeping so many FS lately. All my fruitflies died because i shifted my metal shelf to downstairs room where there is no light most of the time. So i let go a lot of my FS, mostly females. Now i left with a 2 females and Whiteleg, Bronze and Quicksilver.

Leviathan certainly looks like kingkong to me.

Viper, wonder if you're still keeping all your top males. By now your Chaos is chop i suppose. Maybe soon we may have to take a break for a while. Let the places where we have comb come back to life. Hopefully we can have an encounter before that. Are u free next week?

Yeah, looks like the smaller type. If you fight with Leviathan from Ass or Vanguard from Viper, sure kaiton!
But if fight same size ok ler... Small and small also can fight if ferocious enough. If you see first page of this forum, the longest fights are not by the largest sizes ones but by average sizes ones but very fierce.

But i think maybe ur one still not matured. I understand that u have experience catching before so guess u're just unlucky not to have found a good place yet to catch those larger and fiercer ones.

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Added on May 30, 2008, 7:34 pmWhere you stay? Maybe can suggest some good place for you.

From the many pictures viper and myself have posted up, you should have a good idea where and which type of area/plants you can find them kua...

This post has been edited by mindstorm: May 30 2008, 07:34 PM

Wah..nice to see you still catching FS in new places.

Been busy with work and project. Haven't been fighting my FS for a while now, hence I don't think they can fight...just keeping them alive. Right now i still have Bronze, QuickSilver and Whiteleg.

Chaos chop attack. > Oh man, wife beating...

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Added on June 19, 2008, 12:37 pmThanks for the clips.
heh, not much FS tread in this world... nice to see afro tread still going strong...

Man, this arm tearing clip is brutal. Can see the victim terribly shocked....
I added that to the arm breaking list. I saw Viper got a clip where Chaos took off a leg, added that too.

Here are a couple of feeding clips...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f697rmr0gk

We all know spiders suck their prey dry, hence they take in liquid feed. Viper experimented by giving fruit juice to his FS, Archilles and Spartan...didn't turn out well. Some stories have mentioned others have tried giving their own blood, seems to be ok. Hence I have always wondered, what else of liquid feed can be given? So here is my first documentation on alternative feed for FS....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHZuhrkCvJc

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jun 19 2008, 12:43 PM

last time u sms me i said my fs cannot fight di, i think. For the moment I semi-retire, cuz busy... but never forever...cuz every now and then sure i'll get FS fever and play again. Esp if Mangrovejumper comes back for a visit. Once a FS fanatic, always a FS fanatic...that's me! Unfortunately rite now i'm pretty tight with my time.

Milk is quite ok... a rather dilute food. When i feed my FS milk, some of them drink for up to 5 minutes! As if like eating...and also after drinking that long, their abdomen "kembang". So I think they may get nutritional value from it, after all milk is a complete food solely capable of bringing up a growing infant mammal. Actually 1 month ago, i have given milk to Bronze and he drank quite long... so far no side effects whatsoever. I once gave blood to a young male FS(before changing skin), it drank for a while. But after that, for a week or so, it didn't look well...sluggish and dragging teeth on the ground, then after one week died. Dunno wheather it had problems digesting raw blood..

I tried to let them drink my sweat! But no takers...hehe. I tried giving them Ensure drink(complete nutritional drink) but also no takers cuz too thick...

Anyway I was thinking maybe can try chicken blood, "si ham" blood, fish blood(all can get when buy them fresh from market). Can also store blood in freezer, and tnaw them when need to feed...haha!

Spider pics drinking milk and having milk moustache!



This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jun 20 2008, 01:16 AM

Yeah. 2 days no water and they're fried.
The male Bavia died. I released the female Bavia in my grandma's backyard.


Releasing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms0JK8Uy4vU

Hope you make it. Till now it seems an impossible task to me. Dedication and patience is upmost.

Not too bad. But i think you can macro in more with the video...

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jun 23 2008, 01:10 AM

Went back to seremban to celebrate my grandma's birthday today. For years, since a young child, everytime I come here, I have never failed to find at least one female fighting spider in this isolated lily plant. It never fails to amaze me. Today there is a female with eggs in the vertical nest below. What an exposure. I also notice the nest is actually made on the underside of the leave on top. I noticed that on many nests. I wonder wheather that helps with gaseous exchange.




Best of all, my newphews(3boys) and cousin's kids(3 boys) were around, hence i figure i'll introduce them to FS...
I caught a small male there over the neighbours fence...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr6CqLG_aG4

Here are those kiddies first encounter with a FS, with my mum as assistant! Boy, wish I had these memories in video clips when i was young. Can't help but to load it up. Also feature how you can "smoke" a spider out...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkVwYtvv9rE

Here's letting them watch a live good fight. The one caught in my grandma's house was way too small for Whiteleg, hence it kecut. The chop fight was between Bronze and Whiteleg, with Bronze winning but left with an injured teeth.
My newphew, Mark 5+, said, "Super fight!" at the end....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQKvb30FcXM

The seremban backyard FS size is no match for Whiteleg.


This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jun 23 2008, 03:17 AM

Wah, that's a lot of male FS u caught there. Good thing u're doing to spread the FS population around. If the garden have enough plants and ants, then the population should perpetuate there.

You sure are lucky. Sup-pow fights must video record and show us leh... most exciting fights are from them.
Wah, large sup-pow vs small sup-pow is dangerous.... permanent damage may be inevitable.

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Added on June 24, 2008, 2:25 amViper, you got some good clips up from your trip to KS estate. Nice one. Looks like you didn't name them. The abdomen tearing one was the most awesome to me. From what i see, looks like the victim got thrown over and then got attacked from back. Abdomen bleeding...reminds me of jack's victim and later himself.
The Bavia you got is still a young one, much smaller compared to the one I had. Looks like Bavias, like many other jumping FS, have the chop style inborn in them.

You seem to have gotten a lot of males, quite productive, unlike the trip of mine. But what is similar is I also found lots of young and females. Jugding from what you said and from the pics, looks like KL FS still rulez in size and ferociousness. If they were still around, I bet ur FS like Hope, Xinan, Spartan, Hades would have mangled them.
Anyway, kampung areas are vast in Malaysia, still lots of places to explore. Releasing ur Kelapa sawit FS here would be good too...mix up the gene pool.

Very interesting pics you got out of your field trip. I liked the close up on their nest. Makes a FS kaki like me, feels as I'm there peering into the nest to see a white face!

PS. Somehow the Bagan Lalang clip couldn't load for me. maybe the file is too big.
eh..finally ok already. Cool place.. the low kelapa sawit trees looks perfect.

This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jun 24 2008, 02:35 AM

Viper, nice articles you found. It's interesting to know there are people who did studies on the fighting of jumping spiders. But I must say the points verified by the studies are pretty obvious to us in a common sense of way though.
But good that there is a sort of "prove".

Wah, viper, I thot you said you let go all your FS caught from your Kelapasawit trip...

Partial chop fighting spider fights (27June2008)
Very interesting fight. At first seems like top one winning, then seems like bottom one winning...mana tau, top one eventually win.

Deflect chop attack. (27June2008)
Seems like the chop tried a jump-over?

Your one teeth seems to be winner in all the fights?
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Mangrovejumper, seems you have another friend here, centaurfly, like you... having a interest not only in Thiania but other jumpers as well. Like you said, having fighting clips of other jumpers or between different jumpers would be a fairly interesting way to extend this hobby.

Right now I'm only keeping 2 big males. Bronze is probably bigger than jack but smaller than Bighead. Whiteleg is slightly smaller than Bronze. Bronze is a fierce chop now. Whiteleg is no match for him. Here are some close-ups.

Whiteleg

Bronze

Size compare... Whiteleg got really battered up while I tried to take more of these shots.


This post has been edited by mindstorm: Jun 28 2008, 03:13 AM

while on the subject of other jumpers, here is an old clip I had...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48tCJmO4tCE

How to catch series...next.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjcxNhvBGXw