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john123x
post Sep 27 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(bertdeen30 @ Sep 25 2012, 11:48 PM)
oh yes . everyone have the different charge , i heard there is some 1 point charges..
also rm25 / 12.5 / 10 / or even lesser . im on 8.5 some is even lower than mine maybe 6-7.
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Acttually, I am very interested in Trading FKLI and OKLI, but the problem is not much info can be found online.
And I am using ItradeCIMB as my broker.

unfortunately, i am a total newbie, I dont really understand your statement.



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post Sep 27 2012, 09:57 PM

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guys, please enlight me to something i never know


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example, I want to buy one OKLI P 1620 Oct 2012 , how much i must pay? how much is the brokerage?

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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 27 2012, 09:57 PM)
guys, please enlight me to something i never know
[attachmentid=3072132]

example, I want to buy one OKLI P 1620 Oct 2012 ,  how much i must pay? how much is the brokerage?
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there is no bid and ask quote in the picture..assuming there is an ask of 9.60 (the last done price) - you will need to pay the premium of 9.60 x 50 (the multiplier) = RM 480
while brokerage varies
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post Sep 28 2012, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(bertdeen30 @ Sep 25 2012, 11:48 PM)
oh yes . everyone have the different charge , i heard there is some 1 point charges..
also rm25 / 12.5 / 10 / or even lesser . im on 8.5 some is even lower than mine maybe 6-7.
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may I know how big is consider big? 50contracts per day? hmm.gif
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post Sep 28 2012, 09:40 AM

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If i'm not mistaken, okli has no buyers or sellers. Its a dead market. Same goes for SSF (single stock futures) in bursa, no one's playing
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post Sep 28 2012, 10:41 AM

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the only active market are FCPO and FKLI, you can forget about the rest.
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post Sep 28 2012, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 28 2012, 09:40 AM)
If i'm not mistaken, okli has no buyers or sellers. Its a dead market. Same goes for SSF (single stock futures) in bursa, no one's playing
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it's not totally dead..it was in the past when the underlying is the index itself
it was revamped earlier this year and made the FKLI its underlying
also few market makers has been in the market so there is quotes available throughout..activity is starting to pick up also
the same goes to ocpo
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Sep 28 2012, 09:40 AM)
If i'm not mistaken, okli has no buyers or sellers. Its a dead market. Same goes for SSF (single stock futures) in bursa, no one's playing
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before revamp, its a dead market. after revamp, sometimes i see some volume for okli.


I just want to know bout the brokerage and commisson, this info are very usefull for breakeven purposes....
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post Sep 28 2012, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 28 2012, 05:21 PM)
before revamp, its a dead market. after revamp, sometimes i see some volume for okli.
I just want to know bout the brokerage and commisson, this info are very usefull for breakeven purposes....
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brother u want to open account? pm me your number... tongue.gif
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post Sep 28 2012, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 28 2012, 05:55 PM)
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brother u want to open account? pm me your number...  tongue.gif
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Not so fast, I still need to do Lots of research .. Info on FKLI is too little and too hard to find.
Planing on using ItradeCIMB

And i got another question, whats going to happen to "in the money" OKLI during expiry?
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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 28 2012, 07:44 PM)
Not so fast, I still need to do Lots of research .. Info on FKLI is too little and too hard to find.
Planing on using ItradeCIMB

And i got another question, whats going to happen to "in the money" OKLI during expiry?
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i only know FKLI and FCPO... laugh.gif

itrade cheap meh? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 28 2012, 08:04 PM)
i only know FKLI and FCPO...  laugh.gif

itrade cheap meh?  hmm.gif
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I dont know, Ive been asking around, but no one knows
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post Sep 28 2012, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Sep 28 2012, 08:04 PM)
i only know FKLI and FCPO...  laugh.gif

itrade cheap meh?  hmm.gif
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I got the Itrade future price charges. Later night i will inform you all. rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 28 2012, 08:57 PM)
I dont know, Ive been asking around, but no one knows
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mine RM15 per way... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pan84 @ Sep 28 2012, 09:09 PM)
I got the Itrade future price charges. Later night i will inform you all.  rolleyes.gif
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please do so, thank you
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post Sep 29 2012, 11:52 PM

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Sorry for the late reply.

CIMB Itrade Future Charges.

FKLI
- 0.5 index point valued at RM25.
Brokerage Commission per side RM25

FCPO
- 1.0 index point valued at RM25
Brokerage Commission per side RM15 (Intraday) & RM30 (Overnight) rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Pan84 @ Sep 29 2012, 11:52 PM)
Sorry for the late reply.

CIMB Itrade Future Charges.

FKLI
- 0.5 index point valued at RM25.
Brokerage Commission per side RM25

FCPO
- 1.0 index point valued at RM25
Brokerage Commission per side RM15 (Intraday) & RM30 (Overnight)  rolleyes.gif
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thx for the info,

So, break even for FKLI is 1 point....
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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 28 2012, 07:44 PM)
Not so fast, I still need to do Lots of research .. Info on FKLI is too little and too hard to find.
Planing on using ItradeCIMB

And i got another question, whats going to happen to "in the money" OKLI during expiry?
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ITM OKLI upon expiry will be converted to FKLI and in turn cash settled against the final settlement price, so it means cash settled
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/deriva...i-options-okli/

while for OCPO upon expiry it will be converted into a 3rd month FCPO contract
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/deriva...l-futures-ocpo/
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QUOTE(john123x @ Sep 28 2012, 05:21 PM)
before revamp, its a dead market. after revamp, sometimes i see some volume for okli.
I just want to know bout the brokerage and commisson, this info are very usefull for breakeven purposes....
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Hopefully the revamp will boost volume in the future. Bursa Malaysia should learn how to educate people the benefits on trading options which i think its much more attractive compare to the likes of futures. It's surprising that in Malaysia, futures are much more attractive compare to the likes of options which is totally the opposite in western countries. Maybe futures are pretty straight forward but with a little bit of teaching, i don't think its hard to understand options and its nature as well. The key points to understand options will be its premium available and also the strike price to determine whether it is in the money (ITM) or (OTM).

I just wish for more liquidity as days go by.

Don't be worried about brokerage fees. It's all about having a plan to earn rather than focus on breakevens. As a CMSR for 3 years right now, i have seen how breakeven clients focus more on lower commission but ending up losing more in the long run due to wrong planning. Average return per year is close to nil or lose.
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