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post Dec 30 2007, 04:24 PM, updated 18y ago

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I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign. He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute blink.gif )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required)
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

He don't wan to play fair bcause he just get confirmed one month ago.. (I know, should pay back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?) DO u think the company will sue him ? So, even SUE, need to wait for HAlf Year, One year ?? I doubt company will bring it up.... And HR staff responsible may already left the co.

**ps, 2 months notice is IN the contract & got employment letter !!

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the company has the right. of course we dunnoe
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:24 PM)
I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign.  He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute blink.gif )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required) 
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

Is it necessary to pay back ? (I know, should back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?)  DO u think the company will sue him ?
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ur fren got so much of situation happened...

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if his confrim letter is write in black & white, i think he should pay the remain salary to company. anyway, i think this should bring out to talk with company & your friend.
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Please read the fine print in the contract agreement.

Your friend probably can tender 24 hours notice but of course he might didn't get his last salary.
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post Dec 30 2007, 04:32 PM

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question

how do we knw the company will sue?
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:24 PM)
I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign.  He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute blink.gif )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required) 
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

Is it necessary to pay back ? (I know, should back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?)  DO u think the company will sue him ?
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usually in this case the hiring company must pay the his remaining salary.
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post Dec 30 2007, 04:33 PM

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the 2 mths is b4 or after confirmation?
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Dec 30 2007, 04:32 PM)
usually in this case the hiring company must pay the his remaining salary.
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only if the hiring company is buying him out, if not why shd pay
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Dec 30 2007, 04:29 PM)
ur fren got so much of situation happened...

i thinks YES.
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Nearly RM 3 K need to pay back la ??!! Wow....

I advice him NOT to pay ... Since u will be send to SARAWAK for KPLI training ... Even company blacklisted him also never mind (he said), since he is going to be teacher...

Hope u guys understand, Rm 1800 salary, after deduct EPF, left only RM 1500 per month. But, NOW to repay back the company RM2,700 ??!!! blink.gif
Sound Stupid !!
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:35 PM)
Nearly RM 3 K need to pay back la ??!! Wow....

I advice him NOT to pay ... Since u will be send to SARAWAK for KPLI training ... Even company blacklisted him also never mind (he said), since he is going to be teacher...

Hope u guys understand, Rm 1800 salary, after deduct EPF, left only RM 1500 per month. But, NOW to repay back the company RM2,700 ??!!! blink.gif
Sound Stupid !!
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post Dec 30 2007, 04:37 PM

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no such thing, just put in the resign letter on the last day also can.
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:24 PM)
I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign.  He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute blink.gif )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required) 
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

Is it necessary to pay back ? (I know, should back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?)  DO u think the company will sue him ?
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Yes the company can sue him.

In most cases for someone salary low, they won't do it.
I got a colleague (don't know his salary), give the resign letter that day then leave the next day!!!
Hahaha. The company didn't sue him la but give a bad image lor.

I think it's wise for ur friend to talk or at least tell his boss about it lor.
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Your friend need to check with the company. If they got sign contract, then check on the contract. If no, then might have to ask the boss to be generous abit.
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QUOTE(woopypooky @ Dec 30 2007, 04:37 PM)
no such thing, just put in the resign letter on the last day also can.
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QUOTE(alexio @ Dec 30 2007, 04:37 PM)
Yes the company can sue him.

In most cases for someone salary low, they won't do it.
I got a colleague (don't know his salary), give the resign letter that day then leave the next day!!!
Hahaha. The company didn't sue him la but give a bad image lor.

I think it's wise for ur friend to talk or at least tell his boss about it lor.
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Dec 30 2007, 04:32 PM)
usually in this case the hiring company must pay the his remaining salary.
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His hiring comapny is Malaysia Education Department .... He will going to a course for Teacher training !! I don't think governmetn will pay for it ???
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:38 PM)
His hiring comapny is Malaysia Education Department .... He will going to a course for Teacher training  !! I don't think governmetn will pay for it ???
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did MED buy him out?
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QUOTE(alexio @ Dec 30 2007, 04:37 PM)
Yes the company can sue him.

In most cases for someone salary low, they won't do it.
I got a colleague (don't know his salary), give the resign letter that day then leave the next day!!!
Hahaha. The company didn't sue him la but give a bad image lor.

I think it's wise for ur friend to talk or at least tell his boss about it lor.
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RM 1.8 K can consider low la... (About same salary wit h my previous job sad.gif )


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QUOTE(Drifter @ Dec 30 2007, 04:38 PM)
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:44 PM)
RM 1.8 K can consider low la... (About same salary wit h my previous job sad.gif )
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i seen few of my colleagues leave...
they either work for 2 months or pay the rest if they not complete the 2 months.
Just that guy very dare to leave like that lor & my comp no sue him.

Have ur fren told ur new company about that? And will they pay for him?
If not then can try ask ur fren told ur boss lor... then leave.
(i cross my finger and hope they won't sue him).
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In some company, you can AWOL for certain period of time, let's says two days, then immediately terminated.

Read the contract, different company have different employment contract, we know shit here unless if you could scan the contract and post em here, which I think is confidential.
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QUOTE(soulmate @ Dec 30 2007, 05:51 PM)
i think you friend is you..
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Sad to said, I am still unemployed... Looking for job !!

I fulfill the 2 months notice period b4 resign !! smile.gif

I wan to ask bcause this CASE very likely happen to me or anyone also....
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QUOTE(Mr Ez @ Dec 30 2007, 05:57 PM)
In some company, you can AWOL for certain period of time, let's says two days, then immediately terminated.

Read the contract, different company have different employment contract, we know shit here unless if you could scan the contract and post em here, which I think is confidential.
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Contract is 2 MONTHS la !! So, the title is Whetner the company will SUE or not ? (For most of the companies)
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Any MOU signed? Any appointment letter and stuff?
http://www.cycfoundation.org/concepts/AppointmentLetter

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QUOTE(Muhammad Nur Hanief @ Dec 30 2007, 06:06 PM)
Any MOU signed? Any appointment letter and stuff?
http://www.cycfoundation.org/concepts/AppointmentLetter
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I wonder u guys got use common sense or not ??
If emplo y full time, SURE got employemnet letter to protet both employer & employees la blink.gif

I M ASKING WILL the CO. SUE HIM ? IF Bring to the court, Whats the consequences ??

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NO

they won't sue
they will only ask for compensation
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do like my friend do
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yes he will need to pay. he knows what is stated in his employment letter don't he? better talk to his supervisors. in most cases, they will let you go especially if you're a new staff without making a lot of hassles... either that or they will make things difficult, witheld his last salary and etc. and they can sue if they want to, but mostly wouldn't for an employee of that salary, but it will definitely leave a bad track record.
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I had a fren who leave the company without 2 months notice which is a mz in the contract. After some scold or discuss, they deduct the last month salary then let her go. So means work free for the company for 1 month.

Company usually won't sue you. But they able to track on your next employer via epf. Then they might inform the next employer and might cause some problem.
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consequences is definitely not good. try to discuss and negotiate with the employer.

lucky enough, everything is settled and no action brought forward. worst, a bad record is left for the employee, case brought forward to some employer protection act. it depends how far the company want to bring it on, they have the right since you have agreed to what is written black and white.

to be fair, think that you are the employer / on the employer side, if every of the employee is handling big projects, (multi-thousands projects), and they leave whenever they like, who are going to foot the lost, to take-over their project etc.
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haha..last time I work in Parkson ..part-time cashier nia..i didn't go to work 3 days and then 4th day I come back give resign letter ..LOLZ..lucky didn't kena sue and minus salary ..
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Since you sign the contract, and the clause state clearly is 2 month notice, you can't run away. Forget appointment letter or other document, contract has the ultimate authority.

The consequence is, they would send you a lawyer letter, stating that you breach the contract and will be penalise accordingly if you don't pay back within the period stated in the letter. And if you avoid the letter, the punishment is more severe than the 2 months salary.

In addition, there is no court case, because you already lost in the event of any argument. My advise is to talk to your supervisor, and see if this problem can be resolve in better way, which is to dedect only the last month salary.

Unless he has employer-employee relationship problem, otherwise I don't see why he can't discuss in peace with his supervisor. I'm sure his supervisor is more than willing to listen to him and allow a fine young graduate to seek better opportunities.


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haha..last time I work in Parkson ..part-time cashier nia..i didn't go to work 3 days and then 4th day I come back give resign letter ..LOLZ..lucky didn't kena sue and minus salary ..
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In department store, it's different. You never sign contract, besides you didn't receive any salary. Unless you stole money, they would just leave it.

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Try to talk to your employer on allowing your friend to give short notice. I do not think your employer can be so rigid and unreasonable to follow to the letter of your employment contract even though they do have the right to do so. After all you are joining a govt department. I believe most employers would forego that right unless their monthly sales turnover isn't anywhere near that amount your friend have to repay. What is RM2,700 if they are earning RM270,000 per month?

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ive tendered in my resignation letter before giving 1 day in lieu notice TWICE. Have to pay back. My friend, talked to her boss and she managed to get away with it without paying,.
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Yes,by law -have to pay. But by M'isa style you may get 1 or 2 warning letter then nothing happen!

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QUOTE(Timer @ Dec 31 2007, 08:38 AM)
Yes,by law -have to pay. But by M'isa style you may get 1 or 2 warning letter then nothing happen!
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Thats what I think !! But, I still u guys to confirm smile.gif
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Yes,by law -have to pay. But by M'isa style you may get 1 or 2 warning letter then nothing happen!
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Wait until you become rich or the old company knows you have enough money, then they will sue you.
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QUOTE(flamer @ Dec 31 2007, 09:27 PM)
Wait until you become rich or the old company knows you have enough money, then they will sue you.
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true, its like a time bomb waiting to exploded the moment you became rich.

There are more cons that pro in resigning without giving sufficient notice:
1) Time bomb to empty ya pocket when you became rich
2) There are few company you are unable to join because people knows your past action
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:24 PM)
I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign.  He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute blink.gif )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required) 
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

He don't wan to play fair bcause he just get confirmed one month ago.. (I know, should pay back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?)  DO u think the company will sue him ? So, even SUE, need to wait for HAlf Year, One year  ?? I doubt company will bring it up.... And HR staff responsible may already left the co.

**ps, 2 months notice is IN the contract & got employment letter !!
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The best way is to check with the company HR. If your friend insisted to resign with 2 weeks notice, the only thing the company will do is to on-hold his latest pay with all EPF and taxes. I personally don't think the company will sue your friend as the money need to pay for this is higher than your friend 1.5 months. biggrin.gif
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Employment contract is simply put it a binding contract, yes it does give the right to the employer to sue if the employee goes Awol and works with another company without giving the 2 months notice.

Your ex-emplyer can basically take your contract and go to your current employer and force them to terminate your employment contract because they know that your still being bound by an already existing contract.

Next time before anyone pen down your name on any paper read the fine prints!

Sum it all up that person got owned.
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if the company is a big company and is located in malaysia, u may resign any time. I know the company has the rights t sue u if u dont give a 2months notice. Company wants to sue, sue lah. They will have a very long list before getting to u. But this is malaysia, u sue small worker, what do u expect from them? pay 2months salary? I dont think the company will push u a lot or even drag a lawyer and police to sue you. companys have other big things to focus on. Besides, they wont know wether u will pay or not. Highly lightly, u wont pay at all. So, just quit and run away, and dont look back. Just pray for the company to be bankrupt! Hahahaha! rclxm9.gif
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Very true, according to da labour law or da employment law, its da green book u get from every book store, u r required 2 payback if u give insufficient notice period when u resign. N they have every right to sue u for compensation.

But, at times like dis, will da company sue u? If its a 50-50 chance of winning, its a big chance dat da company will not sue u. They will risk paying da court fees n in da end get peanuts out of it.

Be reminded also, dat most of da time, companies use da word law action alot, but in da real case, its just another tool to scare ppl. Unless there r an MNC with a team of lawyers at their disposal n issuing a lawyer letter is like writing a normal memo to them, then they will probably sue u. After lal, court case or not, they still need 2 feed their lawyers rite. lol
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Best way is ask your friend to totally super under-perform, so that his boss has to fire him and pay him the 2 months instead ... super-win!
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IMHO..your friends will survive from being discharge of court case.
From my late experience, I ever get quit from my previous job with only SMS notice which break the rule of 1month notice.
My previous employer did only ask whether I confirm want to quit from their office. Other is depend on their kindness of board member that usually wont commit very indirectly with Labour Act as they had handle a lot of crucial matter such as Foreign worker etc that slightly disobey the rule.thanx
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It is already stated in the contract to give 2 mths notice.My friend also got KPLI and she gave only 1 week notice.She's suppose to give 1 mth notice but because of the time constraint,she just pay back the company for the other 3 weeks.
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in contract definately must pay if short notice...but the company can give exemption....however my advice is get everything in black n white to avoid any future dispute...
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sinarai hitam only la bro.... u know... the world is small. "sue" only make u scared only la. small potato only sue wut? lawyer n court fees also more than ur salary ade....
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don pay, just run!
hahahaha - Malaysian are like that!

1.8k is small salary, if the firm wanted to sue you then you pay after they sue you lah. Just defend that your salary low and you opted for better opportunity.

My humble advice: pay only after they sue you! If you pay before they sue then you had wasted your opportunity.

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QUOTE(regan87 @ Jan 30 2009, 07:22 PM)
don pay, just run!
hahahaha - Malaysian are like that!

1.8k is small salary, if the firm wanted to sue you then you pay after they sue you lah. Just defend that your salary low and you opted for better opportunity.

My humble advice: pay only after they sue you! If you pay before they sue then you had wasted your opportunity.

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agreed..
many my friend just run and no one get sued...
thats because their basic salary not more than RM2.5k...
so company will not get any profit suing u...
but if ur salary/ month quite high.. it possible
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QUOTE(wch5274 @ Jan 30 2009, 07:41 PM)
agreed..
many my friend just run and no one get sued...
thats because their basic salary not more than RM2.5k...
so company will not get any profit suing u...
but if ur salary/ month quite high.. it possible
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agreed with u too...i'm also doing the same thing.got last salary and cawww...never look back.if the benefit of the company not so goodla.. if good at least give a noticela...
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Jan 2 2008, 02:43 AM)
Employment contract is simply put it a binding contract, yes it does give the right to the employer to sue if the employee goes Awol and works with another company without giving the 2 months notice.

Your ex-emplyer can basically take your contract and go to your current employer and force them to terminate your employment contract because they know that your still being bound by an already existing contract.
Next time before anyone pen down your name on any paper read the fine prints!

Sum it all up that person got owned.
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dude, you make it sound as though the company you have in mind is into slavery.

When an employee leaves the company (be it either with sufficient notice or not), the contract is ended. If in the case whereby sufficient notice is not given, the contract is still ended but the employee had breached a clause in the contract hence the employer can bring the employee to court for breach of contract.

The contract between an employee and employer is not as binding as you make it sound such as haunting the employee wherever the employee goes. As long as one party to the contract just refuses at any time to follow the contract, then the contract is null and void.
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company alway right, no matter how good we are, the affort we contributed, if one day you become useless or not more valuable, than you will be doom.
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Excuse me for saying this but I deeply support in your friend paying back the company. Of course, it might sound a little stupid to pay back that much but it is still a policy. It would be stupid to not pay back, not to mention because of all these idiots who thinks they are so great and can choose not to follow any rules are what contributes to how our country is today.

It is a hassle to sue you but if your boss is so pissed off at you, I'm sure he wouldn't mind those few steps of getting him Sued ! ..
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Ayo.. you guys, check when the topic was started .. way back in 2007.. surely his friend already went off already .. I've yet to see a company goes and sue those who break up the employment contract..
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When two parties enter into a contract, all terms are binding. Just as you expect the companies to pay you monthly as per the contract statement, they too expect you to give them (and them give you) sufficient time before resignation.

When the companies don't pay you, you come to this forum and whine. When you want to breach the contract by leaving just like that, ... (you tell me).

When parties sign to a contract, both have AGREED to the terms. If a party or parties do NOT, then it will not be binding and further revisions of the contract will have to continue.

In terms where the terms cannot change, then there will be no contract. No one gets hired.

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QUOTE(trex @ Jan 31 2009, 08:51 AM)
dude, you make it sound as though the company you have in mind is into slavery.

When an employee leaves the company (be it either with sufficient notice or not), the contract is ended. If in the case whereby sufficient notice is not given, the contract is still ended but the employee had breached a clause in the contract hence the employer can bring the employee to court for breach of contract.

The contract between an employee and employer is not as binding as you make it sound such as haunting the employee wherever the employee goes. As long as one party to the contract just refuses at any time to follow the contract, then the contract is null and void.
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QUOTE(kaiserwulf @ Feb 3 2009, 01:01 PM)
When two parties enter into a contract, all terms are binding. Just as you expect the companies to pay you monthly as per the contract statement, they too expect you to give them (and them give you) sufficient time before resignation.

When the companies don't pay you, you come to this forum and whine. When you want to breach the contract by leaving just like that, ... (you tell me).

When parties sign to a contract, both have AGREED to the terms. If a party or parties do NOT, then it will not be binding and further revisions of the contract will have to continue.

In terms where the terms cannot change, then there will be no contract. No one gets hired.
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There seems to be two schools of thought here, for those forumners out there proceed with caution with what you do when you resign from a company.
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The employment contract is binding so long you are employed. And the contract is, in a way governed by Malaysian Employment Act. Similar to your expectation to be paid monthly as stipulated, the employer would expect you to fulfill your side of requirements. Leaving without sufficient notice is still governed by the contract, thats why you see the clause of x months notice or you have to fork out x amount of money to pay your way out. So, in this case, your employer has every right to ask for compensation from you, and in some extreme cases, bring the issue up to court/labor dept. But bear in mind that the process is very tedious. Think for yourself, you quit in short notice. Then your ex-employer send a letter asking for compensation as stipulated in the contract. If you pay, closed case. If not, your ex-employer could engage the company's or external lawyer to seek compensation. After few rounds of sending reminder letter, your ex-company could bring the issue up to the court, and court will decide how much you should pay monthly, etc ... based on your new income, etc (just like if someone defaulted a loan).

TS,

1.Employer can ask for compensation from you, by any lawful means. And suing you is one of the avenues.
2. It wont look good in your employment history, or to some extent your credit history should it goes to court (background check, past employers referral, etc).

What you should do,

1. Talk to soon to be ex-company HR for leeway, waiver or even partial payment (Seen peeps dont have to pay a single cent after nego).
2. Ask your new company to buy you out (If they really, really, really want you tongue.gif)
3. Pay out and move on with your life. Not so much difference timewise between 1 - 3 months:p

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normal is 1 month notice after comfirmation if 2month than i think he had sign the contract
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actually it depends to your superior la,normally is one month notice,some are 2 weeks notice,some even set a date for you to leave.
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normal is 1 month notice after comfirmation if 2month than i think he had sign the contract
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you are dead wrong. Most companies nowadays especially MNCs nowadays need 2 months notice after confirmation. Some even 3 months. Those are not even contract and most are executive levels. Lower than that...I think maybe still 1 month but hey...let's do a poll.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/924581

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Hi.. i am still in my probation period and im pissed of with the company already. I suppose to give a 2 weeks notice for probation, but i think i want to chaw juz like that after my last salary bank in..LOL

did u think the company will sue me?
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I don't think so. Unless you hold very important position in the company and they are likely to get a lot of compensation out of you after winning the court case.

But of course, your name will be blacklisted. If your potential employer call your current company for references, the HR or your manager will most likely bad-mouth you.
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Thanks for the reply, now i feel a bit confident..tongue.gif

ya for sure they will talk bad about me later. but i think i'll not put it in my experience list since i only work there estimately 3 month. It'll not effect much in my future employment. Plus i dont think my position in the company is important since i only a fresh graduate and enter the company juz 3 month. I hope all my estimation is correct. I'll ciao next week and hope everything is going to the plan...tongue.gif

Now i think i'll give them 24hours notice instead of juz quitely run away.huhu.. what do you think?
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Guys I facing a some issue here~~~~

Last week I give resign letter to the HR department and I want to resign within 24hours.Due to some private issues I have to leave the company in 24 hours. The problem is when I give the resign letter ,they said I need to pay back the remaining salary because of insufficient notice. They asked me to sign a letter which is the amount I need to pay but I refuse. The HR then dun accept my resignation letter and ask me to continue to work.

I talked to my superior and my superior told me you wan to resign then just AWOL for 2 days.No need pay back and anything.I follow his advice and now I'm quite worried,will they send a letter for compensation or sue me for breach of contract?

I knew that I AWOL just like tat,will be blacklisted,I don't worry the blacklisted thing cuz I don't want to work on tat field anymore.......so guys and gals can give some advice?
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My salary is very low 1.5k only~~~
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life will be miserable if ppl like this existed

u're making lots of hassle to the HR department yet most of u think is fine to just leave like this? no wonder labour law was provided to be lenient to assholes like u ppl

if u neva like the job and the salary was low shouldnt take the offer at first rather than complaining it now

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QUOTE(ruffshuvit @ Jan 1 2010, 10:14 AM)
Thanks for the reply, now i feel a bit confident..tongue.gif

ya for sure they will talk bad about me later. but i think i'll not put it in my experience list since i only work there estimately 3 month. It'll not effect much in my future employment. Plus i dont think my position in the company is important since i only a fresh graduate and enter the company juz 3 month. I hope all my estimation is correct. I'll ciao next week and hope everything is going to the plan...tongue.gif

Now i think i'll give them 24hours notice instead of juz quitely run away.huhu.. what do you think?
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Seriously, important or not - one must always have work ethics. Sometimes we really can't blame employers for being strict due to cases like these. Perhaps something bad happened and you're really angry at your company right now but serving your remaining time after resignation is the right thing to do.

If it's one month notification, just do it. If you think you can't bear with the company, what makes you think it's not the same for the company?

Whatever grudge you have, keep it in. Act mature and serve your period.

QUOTE(Neiji @ Jan 4 2010, 04:38 AM)
Guys I facing a some issue here~~~~

Last week I give resign letter to the HR department and I want to resign within 24hours.Due to some private issues I have to leave the company in 24 hours. The problem is when I give the resign letter ,they said I need to pay back the remaining salary because of insufficient notice. They asked me to sign a letter which is the amount I need to pay but I refuse. The HR then dun accept my resignation letter and ask me to continue to work.

I talked to my superior and my superior told me you wan to resign then just AWOL for 2 days.No need pay back and anything.I follow his advice and now I'm quite worried,will they send a letter for compensation or sue me for breach of contract?

I knew that I AWOL just like tat,will be blacklisted,I don't worry the blacklisted thing cuz I don't want to work on tat field anymore.......so guys and gals can give some advice?
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My salary is very low 1.5k only~~~
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It has nothing to do with low salary. Just serve your notification period and be gone with it. Private reason or not, they do not care - unless the HR gives you exception.

But I guess nothing works now since you actually went AWOL. If you're going to be worried now, why do it in the first place? doh.gif

I suggest now you just sit back, wait and see whether HR will issue you the letter. If they do, then pay up. Otherwise you're lucky. You said you're not worried about being blacklisted but I can tell you it's a small world. You'll never know when or where you might bump into ppl from the company who knows about your issue and attitude.

Take it as a lesson and don't ever repeat it. I really don't understand what is so hard about serving the remaining period. If it's up to an unbearable extent, just pay up and be gone with it. Don't leave behind a bad name.

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QUOTE(Neiji @ Jan 4 2010, 04:38 AM)
Guys I facing a some issue here~~~~

Last week I give resign letter to the HR department and I want to resign within 24hours.Due to some private issues I have to leave the company in 24 hours. The problem is when I give the resign letter ,they said I need to pay back the remaining salary because of insufficient notice. They asked me to sign a letter which is the amount I need to pay but I refuse. The HR then dun accept my resignation letter and ask me to continue to work.

I talked to my superior and my superior told me you wan to resign then just AWOL for 2 days.No need pay back and anything.I follow his advice and now I'm quite worried,will they send a letter for compensation or sue me for breach of contract?

I knew that I AWOL just like tat,will be blacklisted,I don't worry the blacklisted thing cuz I don't want to work on tat field anymore.......so guys and gals can give some advice?
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My salary is very low 1.5k only~~~
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The next thing you'll hear from your superior, you'll be jumping off KLCC for no bloody good reason. I assume you are very young and just started to work. My advice is: whatever thing that you do, you are held accountable for your own action(s). Please learn accountability and don't be hasty next time. Why would you want to leave all of a sudden? Did your pet dog died or something?

Regards, Joey

p.s: Things could have been better for you if you only knew how to smart talk to the HR Department.

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I think is better refer the letter 1st,otherwise if the company bring tis to court lagi susah!

Unless,ur fren's future employer willing to "buy him off" by paying his 2 months salary to his current company lar.

Always remember,if wanna resign....resign like a hero,not a coward!
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Hurm.. in my case.. the company already breach "half" of the contract terms. They said in contract i'll be working in office hours and mayb sumtimes if urgent matter, i need to backup support(work in shift).

But nowadays for my 4th month, i oredi work 100% shift without any 'urgent' matter. I have send a complain letter to HR, but no action taken. So i think i need to do sumting about this. Thats why i come up with a 'resign' plan..LOL

what u guys think?
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Maybe you'd want to lodge some more complain (and keep complaining) until HR cannot ignore the issue anymore and takes action.

In any case, I still think "walking out" before serving your period after resignation should not be done. The company may have wronged you, but this is not a 'good revenge'.
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Do the right thing and do as what you have agreed to. Just leaving like that shows how immature you are in handling your own responsibilities. If everyone can just leave whenever they want, why bother with contracts? Can the company stop paying you when they feel like it?

There are ways to handle all situations but leaving just like that is just wrong.
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Dear all, just share some small issue within current company.

I enter currect company as fresh grade~
I signed a contract that required 3 months notice to resign.

Huh~ I really signed it~ damn stupid~ even though I was given 21 days of annual leave per year~ which meant I much at least keep 20 days of leave in order to deduct 1 month notice = balance 2 months notice to resign (as per normal company contract)

Aih..recently a new comer just enter current company for half year & just confirmed. I was told by him that he just need 2 months notice to resign~

Oh~..it's not fair.....after that I just realized he discussed with his superior & HR regarding this issue , after that HR just change it to 2 months notice for him ONLY~

I'm damn stupid, because I do not negociate with them at the 1st place.

Remark:

1 yr ago I was under different company owner~

This new guy is enter under previous owner but he was confirm (passed the probabtion period recently) under new owner~ I think this also 1 of the reason Y he ables to negociate with the HR & superior.

Any comment on this issue? tongue.gif

Any1 here need 3 months notice to resign too?

My company still don't have news for BONUS & INCREMENT ! =_=
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No comment to the issue above. Yes. There are people who are bounded by 3 (three) months notice period.

Regards, Joey

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Depster666 has given good points and facts. Good advices were given.

Just want to give more advice:

a) World is small. Unless you choose not to work in the same industry. One day, you may meet your peers in new company for interview. A bad impression is given, it will be there forever.
b) Nowadays, major recruitment portal allows employers to leave remarks. Hence, if someone leaves without sufficient notice, his/her cv in the job portal probabky will be marked as well.

The worse scenarios:

i) The employer has the right to sue based on the law.
ii) Once the employer get the judgement, the company is entitled for damages + 8% annual interest + legal costs. A RM 2,000 monthly salary may end up as RM 20,000 in total excluding your own lawyer fees for defending. This information, usually, will be in the credit report.

So, listen to Depster666 before any regret.
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yeah.. thx guys.. now i think i'll follow the notice period. I've read my contract, i can give 2 week notice in my probation but still need to pay back the "training cost" RM 3500. But i dont really think i've been training for anything worth RM3500. Thats make me feel i've been cheated.

Should i argue with this?.. from what i know, if we serve the noticed period correctly, possibly we doesn't need to pay any compensate rite?
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under what condition do you have to pay back the RM 3.5k training compensation? If it says - if you resign within 1st year of your service with the company, then you're entitled to pay back if you leave in the first 12 months. Doesn't matter how much you think the training is worth - problem is you've signed it and currently bound by it.
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QUOTE(ruffshuvit @ Jan 7 2010, 01:20 PM)
yeah.. thx guys.. now i think i'll follow the notice period. I've read my contract, i can give 2 week notice in my probation but still need to pay back the "training cost" RM 3500. But i dont really think i've been training for anything worth RM3500. Thats make me feel i've been cheated.

Should i argue with this?.. from what i know, if we serve the noticed period correctly, possibly we doesn't need to pay any compensate rite?
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If you have tendered in accordingly, why on earth you would want to compensate them? Is there any documents that you have signed for the "alleged" training as mentioned? Ask them to provide you documented proof.

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usually they wont .. but they would scare him like giving him a lawyer letter... since his salary and position is not high. As what others say its a bad impression given and words spreads. The best thing i can think of is to sit down and talk to your manager/ HR manager to work out a repayment plan. Usually they would cut it to 1 month only. Be nice and sincere with them. Most would appreciate it and.. do a proper handover with sign off. so this way you proved that you had done your part. 1 important point get all your dues first b4 u go.. salary collected,bonu, claims and ect.. good luck
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jan 7 2010, 01:36 PM)
under what condition do you have to pay back the RM 3.5k training compensation? If it says - if you resign within 1st year of your service with the company, then you're entitled to pay back if you leave in the first 12 months. Doesn't matter how much you think the training is worth - problem is you've signed it and currently bound by it.
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Ermm.. in my contract it says - "the company will provide training in the probation period. if u resign within this period, u'll need to reimburse the company expenses worth RM3500"..LOL

When i signed the contract, i really tot i'll be trained by them worth RM3.5k. But it seems like only in the 1st month my supervisor guide me about the job scope, more likely just a talk for 10-15 minutes everyday. I dun think it'll involve any cost. Plus he is not really dedicated his time for me, he only teach me when he free...LOL

After 2nd month ++, all i do by my own. I duno where is the 'training worth RM3.5' spend off.

ya, i know my mistake because sign the contract, but what u expect when the company say he want to give u a training?.. for sure i'll be hepi for the training provided but how shud i know it'll be like "this".. doh.gif

izit got any way i can argue about this? i dont really hepi to juz pay them rm3.5 juz like that.. mad.gif

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If you have tendered in accordingly, why on earth you would want to compensate them? Is there any documents that you have signed for the "alleged" training as mentioned? Ask them to provide you documented proof.

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Since it juz a "talk" training, its dont really had any document to prove. But from my 1st day, i need to submit my progress(what i do everyday).. but i thnk in that document, all thing seems i do by myself, not involve any cost.. shocking.gif
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FYI recently i juz resigned from one of the Inernational CO without given any notice rite after i had received the salary for that month. 2 days later only i submitted the CO belongings together with resignation letter to my friend and he help me to submit to person in charged. Couple days ago, i received a letter from tat CO stated that they accepted my resignation but will calculate whatever amount left or thereof to be paid back. I believe sooner or later i'll be goin to receive another letter for the amount that has to be paid back. in fact i'm also concerning whether need to pay back the money or juz ignore it. my thought is da CO might juz blacklist my name in their profile rite? if they take legal action, frankly to say, i'm unable to dig out that amount at all.
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QUOTE(ansonz @ Jan 7 2010, 04:02 PM)
FYI recently i juz resigned from one of the Inernational CO without given any notice rite after i had received the salary for that month. 2 days later only i submitted the CO belongings together with resignation letter to my friend and he help me to submit to person in charged. Couple days ago, i received a letter from tat CO stated that they accepted my resignation but will calculate whatever amount left or thereof to be paid back. I believe sooner or later i'll be goin to receive another letter for the amount that has to be paid back. in fact i'm also concerning whether need to pay back the money or juz ignore it. my thought is da CO might juz blacklist my name in their profile rite? if they take legal action, frankly to say, i'm unable to dig out that amount at all.
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looks like early of 2010 , lots of ppl resign n work at new company ya~ wish every1 have a smoother year

so do I:P hope when I resign I still can get bonus tongue.gif
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Why put yourself in such difficult situation. Always talk first before you leave irresponsibly.
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This is the wise view.

The law is always fair. If anyone plans to leave without sufficient notice and without agreement, the company will sue. Else, all employees in the company will follow to do the same and the company will collapse. So, no company will take this issue lightly. I handled many cases and i frankly share with you, most of the people that did this regret at the all. Not only financial losses, their reputations also gone. Unless your bosses are SME or entrepreneurs who would rather spend their energy to grow business and make money. If the employer is an established firm or MNC, those for disappear or MIA without notice will face nightmares. What's the point to get this problem? The solution could be very simple: talk, discuss before disappear or MIA.

Think for the employer, can employer simply sack anyone anytime? If any employer dismisses an employee without sufficient notice or reason, the employee can sue the employer. When the employee win the case, he/she is entitled for the salary from the date he/she left to the judgement day + 8% annual interest + legal cost. Read this case.
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KUALA LUMPUR: A former general manager of industrial gases supplier Malaysian Oxygen Bhd (MOX) won over RM1.29mil in back wages and compensation in lieu of reinstatement for wrongful dismissal.

The Industrial Court granted the huge award despite having found Soh Tong Hwa guilty of two misconducts, saying that dismissal was too harsh a punishment.

Court chairman Susila Sithamparam held that Soh had breached his fiduciary duty and placed himself in a position of conflict of interest when he failed to disclose that his wife and family members were key figures in two firms that were major suppliers of MOX.

Soh, whose last drawn salary was RM31,625, was granted 24 months of wages in compensation and a similar sum, albeit scaled down by 30% for back pay, as he was found guilty of two of the eight charges against him. Counsel V.K. Raj acted for him in the case.

Susila ordered that the RM1,290,300 be paid by the company by April 16.

She had, among others, held that, under the law, an employee should not engage in another business or put himself in a position of conflict of interest but found that Soh had devoted his time fully to MOX which had recognised his dedication by giving him salary increments, generous bonuses, payment in lieu of his annual leave and written testimonials.

“The court found that he was not engaged in the activities (of the other company owned by him and his wife) ... to the extent that he was not able to fulfil his obligations to MOX.

“A passive shareholder or director of one company would not give rise to any conflict of interest as an employee in another company,” she said, adding that Soh’s company was not a competitor.

The court held that the dismissal was without just cause or excuse but did not order reinstatement as Soh is currently employed elsewhere at a higher salary from March last year.

In its claims, MOX alleged that it discovered Soh’s misconduct after investigating complaints from outsiders who claimed difficulties in doing business with the company, especially the department headed by Soh.

MOX claimed the probe revealed that Soh and his team had also obstructed potential suppliers from doing business with MOX.

Soh denied he had the ultimate approving authority for purchases for his division and pointed out that MOX only implemented the conflict of interest policy during his suspension.

He joined the company as a production engineer in 1979 and rose steadily to the position of general manager of the Process Gas Solutions division before he was sacked in 2003, after 24 years of service.

His last drawn salary was RM27,125 not inclusive of a RM4,500 car allowance. He was also paid a bonus every three months and given an annual holiday allowance.


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wow~ possible I'm the next with such court case? tongue.gif envy-nya~
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wow~ possible I'm the next with such court case? tongue.gif envy-nya~
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Refer to your appointment letter.

If they really sue u. Court case at least took few years. By tat time 2700 + interest should not be a problem for you. So dont have to afraid of paying back the company.

Do consider which company provide u best development for your future is much more important.
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QUOTE(junkeat @ Jan 11 2010, 05:23 PM)
Refer to your appointment letter.

If they really sue u. Court case at least took few years. By tat time 2700 + interest should not be a problem for you. So dont have to afraid of paying back the company.

Do consider which company provide u best development for your future is much more important.
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The law is fair. Only need to make a well informed decision:

Under the Employment Act 1955
http://www.ilo.org/dyn/natlex/docs/WEBTEXT...55mys01.htm#c11
PART II - CONTRACTS OF SERVICE

13. Termination of contract without notice

(1) Either party to a contract of service may terminate such contract of service without notice or, if notice has already been given in accordance with section 12, without waiting for the expiry of that notice, by paying to the other party an indemnity of a sum equal to the amount of wages which would have accrued to the employee during the term of such notice or during the unexpired term of such notice.

(2) Either party to a contract of service may terminate such contract of service without notice in the event of any wilful breach by the other party of a condition of the contract of service.

The court took 3 - 5 years to complete the hearing. The losing side has to bear the lawyer fees. So, 2700 + 8% per annum + the company's lawyer fees + own defending lawyer's fees. Lawyer fees for such a long battle, usually cost 30K - 40K.

The worse: there is a court case record - a blackmark for the whole life that the person was sued, lost the case and compensate the ex-company. By then, if career has established, probably a Manager by 3 - 5 years later. Do you still want this record for your whole life? Any credit report will show you court record?
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1. Any person, irrespective of his occupation, who has entered into a contract of service with an employer under which such person's wages do not exceed one thousand five hundred ringgit a month.


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QUOTE(ruffshuvit @ Jan 7 2010, 03:05 PM)
Ermm.. in my contract it says - "the company will provide training in the probation period. if u resign within this period, u'll need to reimburse the company expenses worth RM3500"..LOL

When i signed the contract, i really tot i'll be trained by them worth RM3.5k. But it seems like only in the 1st month my supervisor guide me about the job scope, more likely just a talk for 10-15 minutes everyday. I dun think it'll involve any cost. Plus he is not really dedicated his time for me, he only teach me when he free...LOL

After 2nd month ++, all i do by my own. I duno where is the 'training worth RM3.5' spend off.

ya, i know my mistake because sign the contract, but what u expect when the company say he want to give u a training?.. for sure i'll be hepi for the training provided but how shud i know it'll be like "this".. doh.gif

izit got any way i can argue about this? i dont really hepi to juz pay them rm3.5 juz like that.. mad.gif
Since it juz a "talk" training, its dont really had any document to prove. But from my 1st day, i need to submit my progress(what i do everyday).. but i thnk in that document, all thing seems i do by myself, not involve any cost.. shocking.gif
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Honestly speaking, I would suggest that you go through the probationary period (3 months or 6 months?) and then resign right after your confirmation to avoid paying the amount. You're right, it's not worth paying the RM 3.5k especially when you didn't receive the appropriate training as per what they mentioned. That is actually on-the-job training and it's annoying when your employer misleads you in such a way.

No, can't really blame you for signing the contract. It's understandable. There is no concrete proof that the training they mentioned is the training you expected and there's also no absolute proof that the company didn't train you at all. It is difficult to argue (based on my opinion) so my suggestion is to bear with it. Much as you dislike the company, it's never worth paying money to them to leave unless you've got a better offer outside or your future employer is willing to cover for the expenses of RM 3.5k.

It's obvious the company intends to tie you down for at least the probationary period. My suggestion is to wait until you're given the confirmation letter (to prove that you're officially a permanent staff) then submit your resignation letter.

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1. Any person, irrespective of his occupation, who has entered into a contract of service with an employer under which such person's wages do not exceed one thousand five hundred ringgit a month.
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I thought the case was about a person with monthly salary of RM 1800?
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I thought the case was about a person with monthly salary of RM 1800?
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how about u asking for waiver..mybe ur GM approve it..anyway, who knows what will happened later rite..
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jan 11 2010, 04:59 PM)
Honestly speaking, I would suggest that you go through the probationary period (3 months or 6 months?) and then resign right after your confirmation to avoid paying the amount. You're right, it's not worth paying the RM 3.5k especially when you didn't receive the appropriate training as per what they mentioned. That is actually on-the-job training and it's annoying when your employer misleads you in such a way.

No, can't really blame you for signing the contract. It's understandable. There is no concrete proof that the training they mentioned is the training you expected and there's also no absolute proof that the company didn't train you at all. It is difficult to argue (based on my opinion) so my suggestion is to bear with it. Much as you dislike the company, it's never worth paying money to them to leave unless you've got a better offer outside or your future employer is willing to cover for the expenses of RM 3.5k.

It's obvious the company intends to tie you down for at least the probationary period. My suggestion is to wait until you're given the confirmation letter (to prove that you're officially a permanent staff) then submit your resignation letter.
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Hey, thanks man. Erm.. i think i'll just send the notice letter and see what they can do. If they really want me to pay back, maybe i'll pay back or maybe i'll just ignore..LOL

Actually most of the staff before me, they just disappear..LOL I'll not just disappear like that, i'll give them a notice but about the compensation, i'll asked them to provided detail, if they can do that, maybe i'll pay what i can (actually doesnt have any intention to pay anything..LOL)

Thanks for ur advise man. It really help built my confidence.. notworthy.gif
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without sufficient notice will sure make you pay for the contract. i have a colleague experiencing that last month before he left. nod.gif
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LOL.. i just send a notice thru email.. izit acceptable?
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Very true, according to da labour law or da employment law, its da green book u get from every book store, u r required 2 payback if u give insufficient notice period when u resign. N they have every right to sue u for compensation.

But, at times like dis, will da company sue u? If its a 50-50 chance of winning, its a big chance dat da company will not sue u. They will risk paying da court fees n in da end get peanuts out of it.

Be reminded also, dat most of da time, companies use da word law action alot, but in da real case, its just another tool to scare ppl. Unless there r an MNC with a team of lawyers at their disposal n issuing a lawyer letter is like writing a normal memo to them, then they will probably sue u. After lal, court case or not, they still need 2 feed their lawyers rite. lol
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Agreed with this unless you are earning five figures salary and the notice period is 2 months that will benefit the company a lot otherwise its just a waster of time for the company to pursue.

As for black listed if you going into different industry whats the harm? plus is there any legislature in malaysia that have a black listed emplyee names? I dont think so.


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QUOTE(ruffshuvit @ Jan 15 2010, 06:04 PM)
LOL.. i just send a notice thru email.. izit acceptable?
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Provided the email is the company email and official. The most they will call you up and ask to see and discuss about your resignation.


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dude, you make it sound as though the company you have in mind is into slavery.

When an employee leaves the company (be it either with sufficient notice or not), the contract is ended. If in the case whereby sufficient notice is not given, the contract is still ended but the employee had breached a clause in the contract hence the employer can bring the employee to court for breach of contract.

The contract between an employee and employer is not as binding as you make it sound such as haunting the employee wherever the employee goes. As long as one party to the contract just refuses at any time to follow the contract, then the contract is null and void.
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Are you sure its that simple ? well the company can make other allegations bla bla bla misconduct if they want to find faults they can right.

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just pay for it montly for 1 year, as i did, no sue from company too lol
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provided the employer agree that you pay bit by bit but mostly they want you to pay one lum sum loorrrr
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for my experience, there is nothing..just blacklisted from join the company again


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I though so too unless you are the CEO of the company and earning like 6 figures salary I dont think company will take the trouble and hassle in pursuing the matter.
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does anyone here got experience being sue?
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If you want to leave early just pay la... That's normal. I have right now a 30K sign up fee that is a bond for 1 year. I was also on a 25K bond prior to that 18th month service when I relocated back to KL. If you leave early, they will pro-rate, its that simple. Do leave nicely from an organisation since you never know when you're working with them again in the future.
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for my experience, there is nothing..just blacklisted from join the company again
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it will be more sense if the company CEO do that and the company will have to face embarrassment and crucial morale towards the other staff than maybe the company decides to sue the person.
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does anyone here got experience being sue?
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my friend say to me

what it calll, tribunal pekerja or some thing like that not very like to entertain employer sue employee..the love to entertain employee sue employer

because it waste of money and time to sue worker that not pay the short notice payment (if the salary is not to high)

example, short notice payment RM1.5k, cost for lawyer and other services maybe over than the short notice payment


so far got few friend lari like that, nothing happen
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what if the job in question is more than 6K per month ?
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what if the job in question is more than 6K per month ?
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right now i am paying about RM5k (short notice+bond) to my ex-company, because the sum too much


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are they asking you to pay one lum sum woww thats a bummer
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are they asking you to pay one lum sum woww thats a bummer
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at first place yes, they asking to pay in bunch, but with my good record i managed to convince the HR to make it as installment biggrin.gif
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Lucky you loorrr. heheheh but not paying 5k per month is even better hahahhahahaha
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I know a company very rare to sue non-exec level..but to exec level yes they do...very poor to those who has to pay it lol
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They are suing exec level but any cases where by the employer won ?
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when i resigned i manage to convince the HR to waive the 3-month salary tongue.gif
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Good for you ranul, after waving you dont have to server the notice isnt it ?
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Good for you ranul,  after waving you dont have to server the notice isnt it ?
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yup, no need... smile.gif but i believe that was because the reason i resigned was to further study...had i resigned because of moving to another company, the HR may not be so kind wink.gif
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hahahah may not be so kind huh ? Agreed since further studies normally they will ask for offer letter from the instituition.
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now i got the same problem....

but the difference is: both of me n the company din sign any contract or confirmation letter after i work for them more than 10 months.

so, if i juz resign within 1 day notice, is the company got any right 2 sue me? as them din provide any black and white except the offer letter. Plus, the offer letter's designation for me is not same with the designation i worked.


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got headache here... just work for a 2 month as marketing exec at this manufacturing company....the boss didnt treat me well and always scold2 me even im not doin any mistakes and all my works are done... he even scold and yelling2 at me even it is his mistakes and sometimes call me stupid.... im getting tired of all his b****t and on my way looking for another job.... in my contract clearly stated need 2 weeks notices....well im thinking of just resign wif 1 day notice after my paycheck....im afraid that even if i give 2weeks notice the company wont pay my salary....for 2 weeks notice did i have the rite if the company dont pay for 2weeks work? need advise here...

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got headache here... just work for a 2 month as marketing exec at this manufacturing company....the boss didnt treat me well and always scold2 me even im not doin any mistakes and all my works are done... he even scold and yelling2 at me even it is his mistakes and sometimes call me stupid.... im getting tired of all his b****t and on my way looking for another job.... in my contract clearly stated need 2 weeks notices....well im thinking of just resign wif 1 day notice after my paycheck....im afraid that even if i give 2weeks notice the company wont pay my salary....for 2 weeks notice did i have the rite if the company dont pay for 2weeks work? need advise here...
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try this, work till you get the salary, then tender the 2 weeks notice, serve them.

you don't want to get yourself legal trouble just for the 2 stupid weeks

what you most can do, just goyang telur during those 2 weeks.
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they cut your final salary

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QUOTE(cagar11th @ Apr 19 2011, 04:43 PM)
got headache here... just work for a 2 month as marketing exec at this manufacturing company....the boss didnt treat me well and always scold2 me even im not doin any mistakes and all my works are done... he even scold and yelling2 at me even it is his mistakes and sometimes call me stupid.... im getting tired of all his b****t and on my way looking for another job.... in my contract clearly stated need 2 weeks notices....well im thinking of just resign wif 1 day notice after my paycheck....im afraid that even if i give 2weeks notice the company wont pay my salary....for 2 weeks notice did i have the rite if the company dont pay for 2weeks work? need advise here...
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Dont do anything silly. Serve the 2 weeks after paycheck.
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QUOTE(cagar11th @ Apr 19 2011, 04:43 PM)
got headache here... just work for a 2 month as marketing exec at this manufacturing company....the boss didnt treat me well and always scold2 me even im not doin any mistakes and all my works are done... he even scold and yelling2 at me even it is his mistakes and sometimes call me stupid.... im getting tired of all his b****t and on my way looking for another job.... in my contract clearly stated need 2 weeks notices....well im thinking of just resign wif 1 day notice after my paycheck....im afraid that even if i give 2weeks notice the company wont pay my salary....for 2 weeks notice did i have the rite if the company dont pay for 2weeks work? need advise here...
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u serve 2 week notice.. the company need to paid you... in case u don't want hv blacklisted or any bad image. I prefer you serve 2 week notice eventhough they wont paid u... u just relax relax for 2 week... coz 2 week not worth to get any legal action...


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try this, work till you get the salary, then tender the 2 weeks notice, serve them.

you don't want to get yourself legal trouble just for the 2 stupid weeks

what you most can do, just goyang telur during those 2 weeks.
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I agree... dont get legal action or any bad image just for the 2 weeks... My current company is more long.. serving 2 month

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I agree... dont get legal action or any bad image just for the 2 weeks... My current company is more long.. serving 2 month
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Some 3 mths doh.gif


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Seems it is a fair deal to pay back 1 and a half months but then after minusing annual leave shouldn't be much. I think the best the company will do is to withhold his last paycheck
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QUOTE(cagar11th @ Apr 19 2011, 04:43 PM)
got headache here... just work for a 2 month as marketing exec at this manufacturing company....the boss didnt treat me well and always scold2 me even im not doin any mistakes and all my works are done... he even scold and yelling2 at me even it is his mistakes and sometimes call me stupid.... im getting tired of all his b****t and on my way looking for another job.... in my contract clearly stated need 2 weeks notices....well im thinking of just resign wif 1 day notice after my paycheck....im afraid that even if i give 2weeks notice the company wont pay my salary....for 2 weeks notice did i have the rite if the company dont pay for 2weeks work? need advise here...
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I know how u feel , last time i work in chinaman company , the then 28 year old my manager lady ,
little bit she scold she shout , talking in rude way , even when she got screwed by local boss when she come out her atitude change again and shout here n there ,
when we agued , there a old woman she hates , and she can shout bad things about her ,when the old woman is around , i think the gt pressure , always tell me the boss say her badwords ,swearing b4.
and mental.

finally i left , then there a better company ahead , at least they know how to respect people .
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Hi all
I hav a few question will like ask, appreciate your advice.


1, company breach the contract of not paying my fren the exact amout of the salary n and no epf n sosco given.

2, becoz of this, my fren decided to resign by giving 24 hour notice, although in the contract putting 2 months, but at point number 1 he breach the contract, so the contract is void.

can he still sue my fren by asking my fren to pay back 2 month salary ?

please advice.
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true, its like a time bomb waiting to exploded the moment you became rich.

There are more cons that pro in resigning without giving sufficient notice:
1) Time bomb to empty ya pocket when you became rich
2) There are few company you are unable to join because people knows your past action
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What is time bomb? Let say I rich after 3 year, they will sue me? No "expiry" date?

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don pay, just run!
hahahaha - Malaysian are like that!

1.8k is small salary, if the firm wanted to sue you then you pay after they sue you lah. Just defend that your salary low and you opted for better opportunity.

My humble advice: pay only after they sue you! If you pay before they sue then you had wasted your opportunity.

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If the company win the case, need pay the lawyer fee also?
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I am sure if you submit resign letter in the final day is still okay, as I don't expect the company to let you continue working for 2 more months and have to be suspicious of you on whether you will steal anything or sabotage anything.
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is there anyway that we can pay the sue by installment?im thinking of resigning too. next employer offer me much more better than current employer and the position is urgent and i had 2 month notice. Very in dilemma
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QUOTE(Irresistible @ Dec 30 2007, 04:24 PM)
I ask on behalf of my friend .

His salary is Rm 1,800. He is required to give 2 MONTHS notice b4 resign.  He just receive a job (KPLI/DPLI) & need to sign in after 2 weeks. (government always LAST minute blink.gif )

So, he only can give 2 weeks notice to the co. (2 months is required) 
Therefore , he need to Pay BACK 1. 5 months (around RM 2,700) to the company.

He don't wan to play fair bcause he just get confirmed one month ago.. (I know, should pay back, but if not pay back, whats the consequence?)  DO u think the company will sue him ? So, even SUE, need to wait for HAlf Year, One year  ?? I doubt company will bring it up.... And HR staff responsible may already left the co.

**ps, 2 months notice is IN the contract & got employment letter !!
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Hi, I face the same scenario but this time the company wants me to pay within 7 days (never mutually agree on this matter). It's true it said one month salary in lieu of notice but never said anyyhing about the period of getting back rite?? I tried to talk to them to pay monthly at some fixed rate but they refuse. Didnt even answer my question regarding the 7 days notice. I definitely can't get that amount in a week. Maybe in few months can. They said 'if not pay within 7 days the company will take action'.

1) how long before they can send me lawyer notice
2) can the amount increase if i dont pay within 7 days?


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Not kena sue or not.. the person left without notice definitely NOT RESPONSIBLE. When you signed the contract, you agreed to the terms and conditions.

 

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