For centuries , question like " Is Law Degree in MMU Malacca eligible?" " Is it recognized? " has been asked.

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I understand fully why are all the questions popping out , because i was once the one who asked this question , and searching endlessly on net for answer, but to no avail , i cant find any answer but now i'm an insider , preparing to give out all the info u guys need here. Therefore if the mod sees fit , please pin this.


Intro

To be a Lawyer in Malaysia , one needs to go through either one of the path

FIRST PATH : STPM & Equivalent --> Local University ---> 4 years Law Degree ---> Chambering 9 months ---> call to the roll of Advocate and Solicitor ( hereinafter refered to as A&S

SECOND PATH : : STPM and equivalent ---> Foreign University ---> 3 years degree ---> Certificate in Legal practise ( 1 year ) hereinafter CLP ---> Chambering 9 months ---> call to the roll of S&A

The main difference u can see in this two path is this , in local university the law degree is purely about Malaysian Law

in Foreign University , the law degree is purely about English Law .

As we all know , Malaysian Law is highly influenced by the English Law , HOWEVER, Malaysia Law is much different than English Law .

After graduating from a foreign uni , u know nuts about Malaysian law, Thats why CLP comes in , to make u a " qualified person " under S.3 of Legal Profession Act 1976 to be admitted into the Bar council

In MMU Malacca, the law degree is based on Malaysian Law

The issue is " Is MMU Law Degree recognized by Bar council or exempted of CLP? "

The answer to this is " No , it is not recognized by either the two , YET "

I will give u the reason :

1) The 1st batch law graduate from MMU Malacca will be next year , Jun 2008 . They'll be the 1st ever law graduate from MMU Malacca.
2) The exemption and recognition is not given yet, because the graduates are not yet graduated now! I'll give u an anology : If ur factory product is yet to be produced, how SIRIM is going to give u the label , even though u've met all the requirement needed?
3) MMU Malacca is doing Malaysian Law, so there is no reason why CLP will not be exempted , it is just a matter of time.
4) a distinction diffrence of foregn Uni degree which is 3 years and local uni degree which is 4 years. In MMU its a 4 years degree.
5) For those who are going to be in MMU for this course soon , dont be afraid, u have 5 years ahead of u, be very worried for ur studies, not whether CLP will be exmepted or not

Please feel free to ask me any question. Pay a visit to ur coming Law School to gain a new insight

I'd love to see more freshies next Jun 2008 for Law intake , this year there were only 200+ , which is 10 times more than the 1st batch which are only 20+ ppl.

Together lets make MMU Malacca one of the best Law School in Malaysia.



This post has been edited by david890701: Dec 29 2007, 06:37 PM

err... are u from mmu law?
which year?

1 year Yeap i'm from MMU law

so.. ur in beta..?
okkk...

This post has been edited by toby.c13: Dec 29 2007, 06:52 PM

toby , u're from MMU also? Anything u wanna add into the 1st post ?

well.. there are two intakes..
january and also june intake..

will the malaysian legal board recognised mmu law programme retrospectively? Do they have the power to recognise a qualification restrospectively?

From next year onward, no more Feb intake for Law heard from my lecturer

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Added on December 29, 2007, 7:07 pmTHere is a Qualifying Board established under Section 4 of Legal Profession Act 1976 , they're to decide which qualification requirements to be set in order for one to be admitted into the Bar .

For now, MMU is not under the qualification yet, but after the 1st batch graduates graduated , most probably they'll recognise it based on the reason i've stated above.

Retrospectively , there's none graduates now so there's nothing to be applied retrospectively

This post has been edited by david890701: Dec 29 2007, 07:09 PM

oh ok...so when do the first batch graduate? err in 3 years izzit?

next year june 2008 .

This post has been edited by david890701: Dec 29 2007, 07:47 PM

btw..how about the qualification...if i am science stream student..in STPM....can i do law??
my pointers??

i was a science stream student also back then in SPM , so i think there shouldn't be any problem for u . for qualification of STPM i'm not sure , please refer to http://www.mmu.edu.my

Thanks

DON'T BE DELUDED INTO THINKING THAT ALL THOSE MENTIONED ABOVE ARE TRUE!

I am not writing this to argue, but until now there is no black and white about the future of MMU's Law Degree.

Perhaps all those are just endorsement from MMU. My advice is: why not go to recognized local or foreign universities to persue and realize your dreams of becoming a lawyer? There is nothing so special in MMU that worths you to take the risk!

Once again, i am not writing this to argue nor having any benefit to write this.

This post has been edited by barrister: Dec 29 2007, 10:36 PM

well not everyone are as rich as u till can go taylor's to take law degree..
i believe that mmu is much more cheaper compare to taylor's..
cos its not a twinning programe like taylors.

though i agree with barrister, he cud have put it slightly more subtly...

well, i dun think so. usually those who wanna take law will opt to take it at either brickfield or atc bcos they are certainly famous for their law programs. and the tuition fee is kinda similar to wat tuition fee of mmu, so i think it is affordable too.

well the difference btw these two are...
mmu hav the campus environment while atc doesnt hav a campus at all..
brickfields im not sure whether got campus or not la..

i guess we'll have to wait and see in june 2008....

First of all I would like to say that your work is much appreciated so as to clear the doubts by prospective law students with regard to the recognition of MMU Law Programme.

However, I noticed some minor omissions or misdescription and I shall not highlight all except two.

There are only 3 ways for a person to be a qualified person with a view of being called to the Malaysian Bar and this is defined in S3 as of the Legal Profession Act 1976.
The first being a recognition of the University itself as expressly stated in the section, the second being a barrister at law of England and the third being any person with a qualification recognised by the board to be sufficient to make the holder a qualified person under the Act.

CLP and Solicitor of the The Law Society Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Judicature England would fall under the third category and Universities like UM and NUS would fall under the first.

MMU's Law Degree would probably fall under the third category as a qualification recognised to make the holder a qualified person as this is how most other local Unis are recognised.

The board recognizing it is the Legal Profession Qualifying Board established under the Act and their jurisdiction falls under the third category.


An Advocate and Solicitor of the High Court of Malaya or the High Court of Sabah & Sarawak (formerly known as Borneo) is not called to the roll.
An Advocate like a Barrister is called to the bar whereas a Solicitor is entered on the roll of Solicitors. However, due to the peculiarity of our Country's legal profession being a fused one and considering that an Advocate normally practices exclusive or higher right of audience, an Advocate and Solicitor in this country is called to the bar instead of being entered on the roll.

The roll as used by the LPA is a register of Advocates and Solicitors with right of audience. And you'll find that no lawyer in this country would consider themselves being entered on the roll as opposed to being called to the bar.

If you are interested in this development, please read more on the history and traditions of the Bench and the Bar.

Thank you.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Dec 30 2007, 02:02 AM

thank you for replying . However , if someone is willing to go through the hardship of CLP , please proceed and do so.

Yes it does has no black and white about that , i'm not writing on behalf on MMU , i'm doing this based on my own opinion and perspective of what i've heard and seen.

If you're a Taylor or Brickfield's undergraduate, please proceed to open ur own thread about it . This is about MMU law only. Thank you .

First lets see whats the objective i'm writing this article. I'm answering questions of those who are interested in MMU Law. I'm not trying to advertise MMU or watever u've construed , i'm just merely answering question and clarifying dilemma. I'm not asking everyone to join MMU , but for those who are interested only. I did not say dont go to foreign uni and come to mmu do i?

Please be more professional , this is only a thread in education essential , not business world. Thank you

You said you are not finding for argument but you just typed in a super eye catching fonts, for attention? Okay, my mistake then. Anyhow, spoiler it up to ease others' reading.

Anyhow, David if I am not wrong you are still in Alpha right? Good for you to come out with this thread.
Well, my roommate said one of her ex-lecturers told her that next year there won't be any January intake for Law and as for June 2008 intake, they will filter the applicants' qualification first before accepting everyone. I heard only about 150 will be accepted, they are still in the midst of finalising on this matter.

er you might be right and wrong but no matter what they will still need to do CLP.

atc brickfields all are doing external degree program from either UM or some other UK degree. as for mmu it's their own program

Hi fruitie i was just trying to be low profile just in case anyone come and find trouble with me

Yeap, thats why i heard , and looks like its not as easy to enter MMU Law anymore from now on

@Darkmage : U're right , one of the reason why we opt for MMU is that its a private uni ( easier to enter , unlike UM ) , and we dont need to do CLP . Its cheaper than Tailors HELP or Brickfields . Some of my friends are from brickfields A level

Believe me or not barrister , i hope dont /i/ this thread. This is to answer questions of future-mmu-law students

This post has been edited by david890701: Dec 30 2007, 03:37 PM

are you sure you don't need to do CLP?

As of what Barrister said , MMU has no black and white for the official exemption yet. However, the objective of making CLP compulsory is that for those foreign graduates , they have to know the Malaysian Law and the application.

In MMU, the programme is none other than Malaysian Law , therefore i see no reason why CLP must be taken for us. MMU is a prestigious uni , why does the future look so dim for u?

but again, they have no black and white.

it's because even those doing external UM degree need CLP!

cross reference the subjects for MMU's law degree, UM's External degree and CLP. You'll find your answer there.

This is out of my knowledge . I cant answer you with this one . Sorry .

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Added on January 2, 2008, 5:08 pmany other thing to update here guise?

This post has been edited by david890701: Jan 2 2008, 05:08 PM

i kinda agree with darkmage.

Currently only public uni's internal LL.B are exempted for clp, I don't think MMU as a private uni will have such privilege.

I don't think the criteria for CLP exemption is because of the Malaysian sylables. NUS sylables won't have Malaysian law I reckon. But then, NUS are exempted from CLP.

look at Section 3 of the Legal Profession Act 1976 and you'll know about NUS despite the subjects being different.

sometimes i get amazed at how schizophrenic seems to know almost everything when it comes to these things....

NUS exempted? i didn't know that

wats in sec3?
dun hav that act wit me..

yea i've read the relevant Acts on the bar website but i don't get what you're trying to tell. From what I interpret, NUS is being put into the same category as in a UM(Malaysia) , UKM and UM(Singapore) LL.B, isn't it ?

Mind to elaborate ?

anyway, what i really wanted to say in my previous post is that, all degrees that are currently exempted from clp are from ipta. If im not mistaken, even UUM's law has not been given this privilege. IMO, the chances of mmu getting it would, by common sense, be lower than uum. Correct me if i'm wrong.

This post has been edited by adrianyeow: Jan 6 2008, 01:16 AM

ya what you say is true that's why everyone wants to get into UM law

you must first understand what is the meaning of a qualified person with a right to petition to the high court to be called to the bar.

a qualified person would be defined under section 3.
there are 3 paras to this definition.
the first is what you mentioned above. It is being recognised by statute due to some arrangement back in the past.
the second would be a barrister-at-law in england.
the third being any other qualification which is recognised by the legal profession qualifying board so as to make that person a qualified person under the act.

other IPTAs which does not fall under para 1 would fall under para 3. CLP falls under para 3.
In order to get an accurate and current list of recognised qualification under para 3, it is best to contact the Legal Profession Qualifying Board.

However, the Malaysian Bar's website provides a list of recognised qualifications (which is a combination of para 1 to 3).
You can always check there for guidance.

Therefore, the central issue would be, 'is the qualification capable of making the holder a qualified person under the Act'. Else, the holder would have to sit for CLP or other recognised qualification. The issue is not whether the degree is exempted from CLP.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jan 6 2008, 01:10 PM

thanks for elaborating.

so, let's see if I get this correct. UKM, UIAM, and UiTM law degrees are qualifications that will make the holder a qualified person under para(3), ie. right after graduating with a degee, he goes for chambering, then called to bar, no need to do clp at all ?

anyway, just something that comes to my mind. Are there any requirements for a person to register as a clp student? Is it true anyone as long as he has got a law degree, can take the clp exam? Let's say I graduate with a LL.B from a aussie uni which is not among the 14 listed in the website, can i still do clp when im back?

Yes, the other local uni grads that is recognised under para 3 need not sit for clp as he/she already is a qualified person.

yes there are requirements for a person to sit for the clp examination.
The law degree must be a recognised one and you must have done your SPM/equivalent(which is recognised) and obtained at least 3 credits in one sitting and also done your STPM/equivalent(which is recognised) and obtain at least 2 principals in one sitting and you must use the result you obtained to gain a place in the Uni for the law degree. As for mature student, you must have at least 5 years proven relevant working experience and you must enter your degree using that experience and the Board must also be satisfied that you are suitable for CLP. Therefore, the STPM/A levels route is still safer even for mature student.

Do note on the credit in BM(SPM) requirement. Else, there is an additional BM Examination in which the candidate will normally be examined by a 3 person panel and normally 2 of them are judges. It is much tougher than SPM.

I guess this is sufficient to answer your questions.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jan 6 2008, 10:31 PM

do malaysia lawyer have to speak BM in court.Is malaysia law document in BM or english.Is malaysia law written in BM or english.

1. dunno..
2. both bm n english.
3. both bm n english.

Ermmm...just for correction,david, the first batch is not 20+, shud be 40-50+

oh okay, 20+ was what i heard , sorry for the wrong info .

u know who is he?
he is ur senior at delta.. doing attachment now..

I hear that MMU offers Foundation in Law.

I would like to ask, can I just have a Foundation qualification in MMU only? I plan to take my degree somewhere else.

yes you can take the foundation only.
highly unlikely to be recognised elsewhere.

May i ask why u're considering taking the foundation in law programme at MMU?

I would advice everyone very strongly against doing a Foundation programme if they plan to do law. Foundation programmes are NOT recognised by the Bar Council. That means it will be an uphill battle to be admitted to the ar, if that's even possible.

Because Private A-levels are very expensive.... and My subjects don't qualify me for matriculation and FOrm 6 will be my last resort if I am really forced too... I guess I got things cleared up already. Thanks a lot guysz

ur advice is based on?

Foundation programmes are definitely not recognised by the Bar Council lol , if it is recognised , i can be a lawyer after 1 year of studies ? LAughter is the best medicine . Bar council only recognise Law degree , and this foundation most importantly is recognised by the college offered itself.

" Analyze what you say before you say it literally " - J.P. Davidson

BUMPZ , its good time to bump this thread

http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/admission_requirements.html

please see that to be a member of the BAR, one needs STPM or its equivalent. Maybe wornbook is trying to say that such foundation programmes are not considered STPM equivalents. Check first before pursuing any course.


May i then use this phrase as well:

" Analyze what you say before you say it literally " - J.P. Davidson

Nicely stated alsree786 ..David, it is obvious that Wornbook is clearly saying that the foundation program offered by MMU may not be recognise as 1 of the qualifications equivalent to STPM. Hence the advise will be to stay away from it for the moment until both the foundation and degree is given proper recognition by the Bar Council.

IF you are still unsure, here is the following rules of the admission requirement:

1.3.2 The qualifications which are accepted as equivalent o the STPM are:
a. the 'A' levels examination by the various Boards in the United Kingdom,
b. the Australian Matriculation examination,
c. the New Zealand Bursaries examination, and
d. any other qualifications which may be accepted by the Qualifying Board as equivalent to the STPM.

This post has been edited by GrIM: Mar 14 2008, 03:39 AM

Thanks alsree786, that's exactly what I was saying.

Anyone here are currently studying law at mmu? or probably having any friends doin law over there?? Kindly comment on the law course @ mmu. Thanks.

Law in MMU?? i tot MMU only offer IT, Management and Engineering courses onli..

Well, MMU do offer law (LLB,HONS).
If im not mistaken , MMU Law haven recognised by Malaysia Bar.
I heard that the 1st badge of law graduate will be coming out soon at this june. So, maybe we have to see how's their standard .

Seems like everyone wanna read law now....
Such a competitive world...

hahas, you doing law oso?? where and which year??
Law @ mmu had been acredited by LAN or MOHE??
Haven't recognised by the malaysian bar means that the graduates cant even sit for the CLP examination or they can still sit for it.?

ERmm...haha,i will be reading law soon.
After my A-level .....
I think Law @MMU is approved by LAN and MOHE ..
and they are now trying to get the exemption of CLP ,since they are doing 4 years course.

yup, they are not recognised by the Malaysian Bar yet but are seeking for exemption for CLP. Not too sure whether they'll get it that soon being only 2/3 mths away from the graduation of the first batch.

Everyone doing law eh? that's good. very competitive field. there was a discussion on the MMU law programme in the LYN forums recently...under one of the general LLB threads.

which institute u will choose to go for ur LLB?
means the graduates can still sit for CLP? because they only apllying for the exemption ma.

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Added on April 9, 2008, 3:27 pmlotza ppl doin law but the field wouldnt be competitive lo..hahas, coz there are actually alotz of career field after obtaining the law degree, are you a law student as well?? Could you pls show me the link to the thread u've mentioned?

This post has been edited by sassy_girl: Apr 9 2008, 03:27 PM

sorry forgot where the thread is. Im doing UOL External at ATC currently..in my Part 1 sitting for exams next mth


The field is competitive because there are alot of law graduates...tho the choices are wide, there are also quite a fair number of candidates for those positions. Its ok la...not VERY competitive...

MMU is a four year course and im not the expert on that...since it is relatively new to me. But they are not recognised by the Malaysian bar, so you cannot sit for the CLP exams. What they are trying to do is that they are trying to gain recognition by the Bar, and at the same time, applying the right for their students to be exempted from the CLP which will allow them to go straight for chambering. That is the gist of it, but u shud wait for better clarification from a student of MMU.

so, how do u find llb @ ATC?

it's ok. as some ppl say, easy to pass, hard to score. so really depends on what u want out of the programme.

The ATC lecturers are pretty good, and the notes are good as well. All in all it's pretty decent there just that quite a lot of students so quite informal.

This post has been edited by alsree786: Apr 10 2008, 11:41 AM

The law first batch already out last year..Is mmu law exempted from CLP?..If the courses is not exempted, what will happen to the student who taking law in mmu for the current moment?

If an university is so good but the people themself dont have the right attitude, will it be great? Let me put it this way. There is a pair of Nike, Adidas and Power brand shoes... Maybe you can compair between Nike and Adidas, but can you compare this two with Power branded shoes? Yes you can compare the difference between the shoes... The PRICE... but the quality?

As for quality, there are something call pirated... We know all this correct? But indirectly, is the same scenario here. MMU is a brand, Utar is a brand and etc, but there are people from the university who has good skills and etc compared to the people who are taking the same course...

A paper is still a paper... It will just bring you to a certain extend. While the rest is up to u and u need to determine yourself... Having the right attitude is crucial. No matter how good is the brand but if you yourself dont know how to use it in a proper way... It will be useless...

Don't just rely on unrealistic things such as luck... Luck is something that is knocking on your door and you need to get up and open the door (get the meaning behind it)

thank you and have a pleasant evening

http://bulletin.mmu.edu.my/v3/view/bulleti...y=today&pg=main

any ideas what the briefing about ?

Can someone enlighten me about the life as law student there? I'm a post STPM student and I'm considering the law faculty at MMU.

UM is out of choice though, you need at least 4.00... Of course, I'm too smart for that. And I'm not a bumis either...

How come nobody answers the question by furi?
So is MMU Law degree now recognised and exempted from clp???

Yes, exempted from taking CLP.

how about the prospects in malaysia with mmu law degree??
would firms or corporates prefer foreign law degree over mmu law degree?

This post has been edited by ~JK~: Jun 13 2012, 04:55 PM