First lets see whats the objective i'm writing this article. I'm answering questions of those who are interested in MMU Law. I'm not trying to advertise MMU or watever u've construed , i'm just merely answering question and clarifying dilemma. I'm not asking everyone to join MMU , but for those who are interested only. I did not say dont go to foreign uni and come to mmu do i?

Please be more professional , this is only a thread in education essential , not business world. Thank you

You said you are not finding for argument but you just typed in a super eye catching fonts, for attention? Okay, my mistake then. Anyhow, spoiler it up to ease others' reading.

Anyhow, David if I am not wrong you are still in Alpha right? Good for you to come out with this thread.
Well, my roommate said one of her ex-lecturers told her that next year there won't be any January intake for Law and as for June 2008 intake, they will filter the applicants' qualification first before accepting everyone. I heard only about 150 will be accepted, they are still in the midst of finalising on this matter.

er you might be right and wrong but no matter what they will still need to do CLP.

atc brickfields all are doing external degree program from either UM or some other UK degree. as for mmu it's their own program

Hi fruitie i was just trying to be low profile just in case anyone come and find trouble with me

Yeap, thats why i heard , and looks like its not as easy to enter MMU Law anymore from now on

@Darkmage : U're right , one of the reason why we opt for MMU is that its a private uni ( easier to enter , unlike UM ) , and we dont need to do CLP . Its cheaper than Tailors HELP or Brickfields . Some of my friends are from brickfields A level

Believe me or not barrister , i hope dont /i/ this thread. This is to answer questions of future-mmu-law students

This post has been edited by david890701: Dec 30 2007, 03:37 PM

are you sure you don't need to do CLP?

As of what Barrister said , MMU has no black and white for the official exemption yet. However, the objective of making CLP compulsory is that for those foreign graduates , they have to know the Malaysian Law and the application.

In MMU, the programme is none other than Malaysian Law , therefore i see no reason why CLP must be taken for us. MMU is a prestigious uni , why does the future look so dim for u?

but again, they have no black and white.

it's because even those doing external UM degree need CLP!

cross reference the subjects for MMU's law degree, UM's External degree and CLP. You'll find your answer there.

This is out of my knowledge . I cant answer you with this one . Sorry .

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Added on January 2, 2008, 5:08 pmany other thing to update here guise?

This post has been edited by david890701: Jan 2 2008, 05:08 PM

i kinda agree with darkmage.

Currently only public uni's internal LL.B are exempted for clp, I don't think MMU as a private uni will have such privilege.

I don't think the criteria for CLP exemption is because of the Malaysian sylables. NUS sylables won't have Malaysian law I reckon. But then, NUS are exempted from CLP.

look at Section 3 of the Legal Profession Act 1976 and you'll know about NUS despite the subjects being different.

sometimes i get amazed at how schizophrenic seems to know almost everything when it comes to these things....

NUS exempted? i didn't know that

wats in sec3?
dun hav that act wit me..

yea i've read the relevant Acts on the bar website but i don't get what you're trying to tell. From what I interpret, NUS is being put into the same category as in a UM(Malaysia) , UKM and UM(Singapore) LL.B, isn't it ?

Mind to elaborate ?

anyway, what i really wanted to say in my previous post is that, all degrees that are currently exempted from clp are from ipta. If im not mistaken, even UUM's law has not been given this privilege. IMO, the chances of mmu getting it would, by common sense, be lower than uum. Correct me if i'm wrong.

This post has been edited by adrianyeow: Jan 6 2008, 01:16 AM

ya what you say is true that's why everyone wants to get into UM law

you must first understand what is the meaning of a qualified person with a right to petition to the high court to be called to the bar.

a qualified person would be defined under section 3.
there are 3 paras to this definition.
the first is what you mentioned above. It is being recognised by statute due to some arrangement back in the past.
the second would be a barrister-at-law in england.
the third being any other qualification which is recognised by the legal profession qualifying board so as to make that person a qualified person under the act.

other IPTAs which does not fall under para 1 would fall under para 3. CLP falls under para 3.
In order to get an accurate and current list of recognised qualification under para 3, it is best to contact the Legal Profession Qualifying Board.

However, the Malaysian Bar's website provides a list of recognised qualifications (which is a combination of para 1 to 3).
You can always check there for guidance.

Therefore, the central issue would be, 'is the qualification capable of making the holder a qualified person under the Act'. Else, the holder would have to sit for CLP or other recognised qualification. The issue is not whether the degree is exempted from CLP.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jan 6 2008, 01:10 PM

thanks for elaborating.

so, let's see if I get this correct. UKM, UIAM, and UiTM law degrees are qualifications that will make the holder a qualified person under para(3), ie. right after graduating with a degee, he goes for chambering, then called to bar, no need to do clp at all ?

anyway, just something that comes to my mind. Are there any requirements for a person to register as a clp student? Is it true anyone as long as he has got a law degree, can take the clp exam? Let's say I graduate with a LL.B from a aussie uni which is not among the 14 listed in the website, can i still do clp when im back?

Yes, the other local uni grads that is recognised under para 3 need not sit for clp as he/she already is a qualified person.

yes there are requirements for a person to sit for the clp examination.
The law degree must be a recognised one and you must have done your SPM/equivalent(which is recognised) and obtained at least 3 credits in one sitting and also done your STPM/equivalent(which is recognised) and obtain at least 2 principals in one sitting and you must use the result you obtained to gain a place in the Uni for the law degree. As for mature student, you must have at least 5 years proven relevant working experience and you must enter your degree using that experience and the Board must also be satisfied that you are suitable for CLP. Therefore, the STPM/A levels route is still safer even for mature student.

Do note on the credit in BM(SPM) requirement. Else, there is an additional BM Examination in which the candidate will normally be examined by a 3 person panel and normally 2 of them are judges. It is much tougher than SPM.

I guess this is sufficient to answer your questions.

This post has been edited by schizophrenic: Jan 6 2008, 10:31 PM

do malaysia lawyer have to speak BM in court.Is malaysia law document in BM or english.Is malaysia law written in BM or english.