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yugimudo
post Jan 16 2022, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(BlackPen @ Jan 6 2022, 06:05 PM)
Hi all,

I'm considering paying the full amount of PTPTN to grab the discount of 15% given by our beloved government by using KWSP Account 2. After the workout which seems like not worth doing so? here is my calculation

Here is my calculation:-
PTPTN amount of RM 38,500.00
Monthly payment RM 245.50 (RM 212.92 payment and RM 34.58 interest)
Full payment to save RM 5,775.00 (15% from RM 38,500)

If monthly stick to the monthly pre-payment required 181 months (RM 38,500.00 / RM 212.92 = 181 months equivalent to 15 years) to clear the PTPTN.

With this 15 years, KWSP Account 2 compound interest of 5.5% p.a (assumption) will be earned about RM 49,200.00.

In order to save you RM 12,033.98 (RM 5,775.00 plus RM 6,258.98 (RM 34.58 x 181 Months)). You're losing RM 37,166.02 (RM49,200.00 - RM 12,033.98)

Meaning to say, it's not worth clearing PTPTN using KWSP Account 2. Any sifu can enlighten me? Just a simple calculation.
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U just discovered the power of OPM.

As per ur calculation, u are correct to continue paying a low interest against taking money from higher dividend fund.

I'm not financial advisor, but u r correct to defer the payment. Also, if you have extra money, dump more in EPF and don't extra pay your ptptn.

Or save more money to get mortgage.

People who say peace of mind from debt is just people who are not disciplined enough to control debt to profit from them.

I never heard successful business is done without investor or debt.
yugimudo
post Jan 17 2022, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jan 17 2022, 11:20 AM)
I am sure you have also heard failed business also done with investors or debt.
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That is because those debt or loan are taken to pay operation cost or in other word, the business is failing fundamentally.

Capital injection must always be used for expansion not to cover your digged hole.

Example in laymen, u find investor to pump RM30k.

Instead opening few more branches or expand the space of your premise, you use it to pay utilities, worker salary or your raw material.

Hence you failed to leverage OPM and digg your business grave deeper.

Air Asia is a good example of loaning to pay salary and fail miserably.

Amazon and Ali Baba are good examples of getting more fund to expand operations.

If Jack Ma didn't get enough fund back then, Ali Baba will not become as big as it is.
yugimudo
post Jan 17 2022, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jan 17 2022, 12:00 PM)
Every successful or failed business is because of many reasons.

When one expand business, expenses DEFINITELY will tag along. A simple analogy of increasing production and employing another staff ...salary have to be paid !

I am not sure how one can expand business without cost / expenses.
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Go back to the fundamentals.

Why you are expanding?

If expansion is not followed by increase in profit, you are not really expanding but just adding operations cost.

Let say you employ 10 more employee with salary of RM3k each. You only do this if you can profit more than what you are paying for this team.

Hence by calculation, if you are getting more than what u spend, your business is earning and on the path of successful.

If you employ 10 more people and not gaining any return, then your business model is wrong. Even if you inject a million, nothing good will come out of it.
yugimudo
post Jan 17 2022, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Jan 17 2022, 01:42 PM)
This here is a good example of why accountants do not make good businessman
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Could you elaborate more on your remark sir?
yugimudo
post Jan 17 2022, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jan 17 2022, 02:30 PM)
while waiting for his reply,
i think maybe he is refering to
if based on accountant POV,...everything must be justify for its ROI (as mentioned in your earlier post)

if based on business man,....it could be something not foresee able now after investing the sump of money,...
like products promotions, entertainment of clients, marketing analysis & surveys, products research & redevelopment, actions items after the study & research of the SWOT analysis, etc etc....
which may NOT have tangible results or may not even get returns on the sum invested....
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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Jan 17 2022, 02:34 PM)
Businessman can seldom be accountant and vice versa. Difficult to find a person in between.

One is a risk taker, the other cautious based on theory.
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Just to be clear, risk taking do mean you analyze the risk you are taking.

I have gone through the route of borrowing money just to pay for opex. It was not worth the effort.

If you want to borrow money for business, use it for marketing or increasing the productivity. Marketing also need to focus on effective reach, not just general and broad goal.

If you need to burn money, burn money you afford to lose.

 

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