got a problem here after the firmware upgrade to 2.0. most of my JAVA game is now not working.

anyone can advise?

Hopefully if nothing goes wrong 2molo i will go get N82 original set. Now few question to ask

1)Do i really need upgrade firmware? Worth? Most important is it support Flash player.. other is still ok right? Or we can actually dl other software to replace the flash?

2)How long u upgrading ur firmware using 1MB streamyx line? I saw it say 4hours. So for new phone is it advice to upgrade? Do i need to keep charging the phone while upgrading?

3)How long 1st time charging?

4) wad to do with new phone? Anything to do or testing the phone? LCD, Screen colour n bla bla?

1.) Always get latest firmware. The upgrade not only support Flash in browsers and got many other things. Need to refer to Nokia site for more details.

2.) I upgraded my N82 within 30 mins. The updater advice to keep charger connected with the phone.

3.) 1st time charging adviced to charge 8hrs. But I don't think got any use for Lithium batteries.

4.) Better test it on the spot before you pay. Check LCD for dead pixels, scratches, memory card size, accessories, if possible test calling it.

Hope these helps ! Since you are getting original set, shouldn't have any problem la.

What laws or regulations in Malaysia to ask manufacturers installing the red light? Can you enlighten me on this legal aspect?

I got a Samsung phone last October, no such nonsense reg light in their phones.

Consumer's freedom of choice is more important, not those companies worry that their secrets may got steal with our handphones.

Who are buying phones from manufacturers? Who pays Nokia? We consumers or companies? Nokia want to be moral police? Sorry, they will not get my money anymore.

My trained eye can spot reddish color at the edge of your picture. That is unacceptable for semi-pro users.

I used to have an infra red camera bought from Russian sailor, that kind of camera is good to sneak bohsia in action, not N82.

This post has been edited by Fearless: Apr 17 2008, 10:30 AM

rofl, if you are a "semi-pro" you won't be using a camera phone to take pictures at all

Don't constraint yourself in the bound of Malaysia. Heck if anything Malaysia would be the last one to implement / enforce it. I myself not a student of law but i do attend ethics and law class during my studies.Heres another interesting article about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_phone#Laws

Such places include the Pentagon, federal and state courts (see, for instance, [10]), museums, theaters, and local fitness clubs. Schools have banned them over the concern that they could be used to take images of notes that can be used in order to cheat on exams. One country, Saudi Arabia, in April 2004, banned the sale of camera phones nationwide for a time before reallowing their sale in December 2004 (although pilgrims on the Hajj were allowed to bring in camera phones). In South Korea and Japan, all camera phones sold in the country must make a clearly audible sound whenever a picture is taken: These laws are intended to reduce the number of up-skirt photos taken. In Singapore, camera phones are banned at companies or facilities that have an association with national security. In Europe, some BDSM conventions and play parties ban cellphones altogether to prevent camera phone abuse.

damn. they even got a BDSM conventions

As i mentioned earlier, The public awareness about the use of Camera phone is rising with the newer,better quality cameras so enjoy your samsung phone. That probably the last of the few that actually was built not for international market.

Here are few links about it
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,117035-page,1/article.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photography_and_the_law
http://www.cameraphonereport.com/2003/11/n...k_legislat.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,117035-page,1/article.html
http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/prog...the_camera.html

Well the issue about privacy concerns did actually come from the public itself hence the corporation obligated to it (in order to penetrate more international markets) based on the awareness trend. Thats why our firmware (the apac version) Does not come with the ability to silent the shutter sound while the europe ones can. This is because probably the regulations over there just only need a flashing red light as a sign of picture being snapped.

As i posted before , the tolerance to the quality is different between professions / standards. Me being a regular-joes when it comes to photography level of quality already impressed when the texts /lousy handwriting can be read visibly. A semi-pro user like you definitely have a better quality camera with set of image editing tools ya?

Mind sell it to me heh. Jokes aside the public perception to camera / video cams is totally different than camera phones. Lets face it. This whole hoopla just come from the few pervs who are really messed up.

...as they enable surreptitious photography. A user may pretend to be simply talking on the phone or browsing the internet, drawing no suspicion, and be able to photograph a person or place illegally or against that person's wishes.

Google around and read it. You will see the level of awareness of the public. Curse the stereotypical asian guy who loves to snap lengluis picture

Do you know professional photographers are still using cheap instant camera to check shooting conditions first before shooting with expensive film?

Are u ignorant or plain clueless on the real world?

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Added on April 17, 2008, 1:46 pmI think palm-size camcorder and thumb-size camera can be a better spying tool than N82. Most camcorders and camera still allow the user to turn on or off flashing red light.

I agree that many sex perverts abuse cameraphones, but the fault is not the tool itself. Our kitchen knife can be misued to slaughter innocent people. So.. we shall come out another law to control kitchen knife as well.

Pin-hole camera can be more damaging than cameraphone, stricter control shall be on the pin-hole camera, not the cameraphone.

I see only third world spy will use cameraphone like N82 to sneak into Whitehouse or Singapore military secrets.

Myself put the customer's freedom of choice in higher priority than nonsense privacy control gadget. My money will go to those companies who listen to customer's voices afterall this is free market.

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Added on April 17, 2008, 1:52 pmInstall Skype, MSN, etc. in your handphone with fring software.

http://www.fring.com/

This post has been edited by Fearless: Apr 17 2008, 01:52 PM

Yay, personal attacks! You fail both at logic and at flaming.

But fine let me humour you. So assuming a professional, film-using photographer uses the N82 to check shooting conditions. He then uses his expensive camera to take the final photos, no?

And if so, will it matter a single bit if the photo taken by the N82 has a small reddish hue in one corner?

No.

By the way, are you a girl or a guy?

Heh i think we've derailed too much from the topic To me it is what it is. Maybe we have to open a new thread to discuss about it.

Are you discriminate on gender or another sex pervert who misuse of N82? Gender is irrelevant in IT forum.

Ignorant is called personal attack. The God must be crazy now. Go learn from pro. cameraman to know how ignorant you are. Ignorant is not equal to logic.

new n82 user here~
and would like to asking a noob question...
FExplorer for Symbian 3rd this is the explorer?
any suggest for the best explorer for n82 ?thx

I ask your gender because generally guys are supposed to be able to argue with logic, but you are living proof that there are exceptions to every rule.

Not only did you totally and conveniently ignore all my arguments, but your choice of comeback is terrible. Terrible in that I don't even understand what the hell you're trying to say. And even after I translate this literally into chinese I still don't understand. Here's a tip: read this website before replying, otherwise I will not continue this argument with you (don't want to get infected with your stupidity.)

And let me quote you again.

So let me get this straight. I don't know much about professional photography, by all reasonable estimations a niche hobby/profession, and that makes me ignorant and clueless about THE REAL WORLD???!?!?!??? Damn, I bow to your superior reasoning, please oh great Fearless, teach me more about this photography that you are so pro at, otherwise I will starve and die!!!!!!

(last I checked, this was the N82 forum, not photokaki)

hey hey.......add me in.......today i js get my lil n82......rm 1530.....ap...15 months warranty......1year lcd......btw...i wan ask how can i get the latest software?where 2 download???

Take your personal issues with PM please, don't flood this topic with hatred, after a whole day of work I just want to see if there's any news for my N82 and I end up having a bad time reading all your hatred filled personal attacks
You believe what you want to believe, and you shouldn't force your own beliefs on someone else.. it's just that easy

What logics you already know in your mind? You must be a girl IF I accept your testament on your gender discriminatory logic.

Ignorant is used to describe someone knows nothing about a subject. IF I call you girl or boy to win my argumnent in this forum, that is considered a personal attack.

Your logic was that semi-pro or even pro cameraman cannot own a low quality cameraphone is a clear sign of your clueless on the real life. A small reddish hue can be accepted by semi-pro or pro is your own imigination, not the logic.

Seems it's hard for you to understand imigination and logic?

N82 is a cameraphone with photo taking is one of its features. How on earth you are telling me the discussion on N82's photo quality and feature is out of topic?

Myself and another N82 kaki discussed on red flash light issue, not your girl photos. So...your logic is flaw again.

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Added on April 18, 2008, 3:40 amThere is an old saying in the public forum, just ignore those postings not in your taste, and not telling people what to say and what to do.

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Added on April 18, 2008, 3:48 amAs N82 newbie like me,

1. Read the user manual first.

2. Read this forum page by page.

3. After you finish step 1 and 2, then ask other kaki here for guidance.

This post has been edited by Fearless: Apr 18 2008, 06:33 AM

Only for Fearless:::


Back to the topic >> Is there any way to downgrade to the older firmware? The newest one for me makes my apps hang randomly, and the auto-rotate is too sensitive, but with no noticeable improvements ...

Actually I found the arguments between deodorant and Fearless kind of amusing. Just like the DailyTech comments, hahaha.
But please stick to topic and no personal attacks la. I'll see who is winning after that.

To Wuahaha only

to fearless.....either u r blind or u r dumb or mayb even idiot........u know u posting wat topic at which forum???r u alright???izit yr family got problem or yr problem wan bring it 2 other;s?if yes ....but plz open a thraed for it ......u like tis r u js making yrself getting idiot each reply.......don't u realise it ??u wan 2 win the arguement at the wrong place...so who wil k u win or lose.....even u die now i don think no 1 wil k for it....so plz make it clear where u posting yr post.....don js make smtg stupid like now....u r enuf stupid.....so plz ...stop it 2 make yrself more stupid......if u open another thraed then MAYB u r clever boy although the % u clever js 0.01....but it's ok lar...stil got chacne.....til a moment u r -% 2 become clever then i suggest u go suicide.......in tis world no 1 need u tis kind of human.....thanks...!! : )

To deodorant only


Oh btw, I also think the new firmware is making my apps hang often. But after reinstalling the apps, it's ok.
Looks like it has the same problem like if we reinstall Windows again, some apps just dun work anymore.