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escargo75
post Mar 21 2011, 12:52 PM

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Check out TienWah also dividend announced is 14.8 cents per share.
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post Oct 13 2013, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ May 29 2013, 10:04 PM)
A head-up for those wurnith FD in BR and the like. I don't quite understand the report and hope one with banking/financial knowledge can summarise the problem in 1 or 2 sentences for lay-person like me. Thanks. I now have 80% of my FD in BR. So, need to keep a close eye on this.

Read it twice and I still don't see the problem. Lending too much for personal finance and thus higher NPL (non performing loan) potential? The lenders are mainly govt servants and the NPL issue will only be a problem if the govt is in dire strait financially. So  ...?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2737232/+2420        see tikaram's posting
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Invest in crude oil sure higher than FD return

escargo75
post Dec 23 2013, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 20 2013, 10:47 AM)
damn this mean reduced net dividend, damn gomen
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Blood sucking gomen after the GE!
escargo75
post Dec 27 2013, 02:11 PM

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Any good dividend counter that cost less than RM2 to recommend forumers?
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post Dec 27 2013, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 27 2013, 03:13 PM)
RM 0.02, RM 0.20, RM 2 and RM 20.. what is the difference? All the same as everything is calculated in %.. rolleyes.gif
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Got difference...RM0.20 if go up by 50% it is quite likely and will make handsome profit but for RM20 to go up by 50% is very unlilkely....

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post Dec 27 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 27 2013, 03:19 PM)
u asking for dividend stock AND wants 50% capital profit shakehead.gif  doh.gif
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Not immediately la but over time the dividend stock also will go up. Chances are that if the price is not too high like say RM1.50 to RM2.00 chances it can go up 50% is more likely compare to a RM20 stock, right? I saw the STAR price going up by 30-40% in few years only....

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post Dec 27 2013, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 27 2013, 03:25 PM)
Re-read what Unker gark said, u dun get the basics of stocks right
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So what is the basic?

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post Dec 27 2013, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 27 2013, 04:21 PM)
Lets give you example...

Company A, total shares 100 million

Total earnings 20 mil per year

So EPS = 20 mil/100 mil = 0.2/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 2 share

Next year earnings grow to 30 mil (50% increase)

Now EPS = 30 mil/100 mil = 0.3/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 3/share
Now company B, total shares 1000 million

Total earnings 20 mil per year

So EPS = 20 mil/1000 mil = 0.02/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 0.2 share

Next year earnings grow to 30 mil (50% increase)

Now EPS = 30 mil/1000 mil = 0.03/share. Assume constant PE 10x, share price now RM 0.3/share
So now you tell me what is the difference? Company B share price is 0.20 vs company A share price of RM2, what is the difference in terms of growth?  rolleyes.gif Why must the one with lower price have better growth?  tongue.gif Does teh share price determine the growth or the EARNINGS determine the growth?
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Base on your example there is a difference as company with a higher PE will expect higher growth compare to lower PE on the same industry. The share price for your example for RM0.20 share company, might be undervalue or way below its intrinsic value as it can earn much higher earning ratio than a RM2 company. As RM2 company people will expect more and sometimes they declare higher dividend just to maintain investors confidence but not sustainable. Whereas for a RM0.20 company if consistently record high earning against a backdrop of lower PE, the share price will adjust to reflect actual value of the company.
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post Dec 27 2013, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 27 2013, 04:52 PM)
You still don't understand even given such a elaborate example.. ok lah good luck to you.  doh.gif

I am talking about earning growth and you argue all the way to africa... rolleyes.gif

Remember to buy more penny shares yah..the lower the better... laugh.gif as your theory goes RM 0.02 sen companies has better growth than RM 20 companies because it is 'cheaper'..  whistling.gif
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You also same I ask about good dividend stock at RM2 or below you all the way go to Antartica talking about earning growth rclxub.gif doh.gif and want to be like expert bla bla bla. just direct answer la or else dun say anything...
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post Dec 27 2013, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 27 2013, 04:52 PM)
You still don't understand even given such a elaborate example.. ok lah good luck to you.  doh.gif

I am talking about earning growth and you argue all the way to africa... rolleyes.gif

Remember to buy more penny shares yah..the lower the better... laugh.gif as your theory goes RM 0.02 sen companies has better growth than RM 20 companies because it is 'cheaper'..  whistling.gif
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Also I never say that penny stock is better it is just your thought. I say this base on your example provided. Just ask you if company A stock value is RM60 versus another company B stock value as RM6 but both provide the same DY which will you buy? With the same DY, why would I buy the RM60 company stock with very little capital appreciation compare to a RM6 company that have good upswing with less commission that I need to pay per lot...

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post Dec 27 2013, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 27 2013, 05:06 PM)
doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

RM60 stock u buy 1 lot = RM6,000
RM6 stock u buy 10 lot = RM6,000

SAME amount of commission paid

And don't tell me u intend to buy RM600 i.e. 1 lot of RM6 stock...the charges as % of value purchased is... rclxub.gif
e.g. with Jupiter Securities, u will pay RM10 min. brokerage + RM1 stamp...RM11/RM600=1.83% transaction cost doh.gif

Price per share has got NO correlation to its capital appreciation potential
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Yeah right the share price behave like all the mathematical calculation and the market is very rational and should behave very rational.....You win!

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post Dec 27 2013, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Dec 27 2013, 05:07 PM)
Capital appreciation is always based on profit growth.. hence the example is trying to say is A RM 0.2 and RM 2 stock does not have limitation in their price to give the same profit growth as in EPS.

If you hold the same amount of Comp A and Comp B (In terms of value, not number of stock) your capital appreciation is the same. And if they decide to pay the same value of dividend (again value) you will receive the same percentage of dividend.
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"Capital appreciation is always base on profit growth" Yeah right you live in an ideal world same like your friend. You win, you are right. I better go learn my basic hahahaha..... rclxms.gif


 

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