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post Aug 27 2009, 12:54 AM

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Panamy heading south by 11.980...closer to target entry price.
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QUOTE(maxchua @ Aug 25 2009, 12:31 AM)
That is a good question actually, alot of people would ask, isnt it better for me to have cash in my hand rather than cash in a company. Well, if you are asking this question, then you understand the purpose of ROE (return on Equity). Lets take CSCENIC for example, which has an ROE of about 20%. This means that for every dollar invested in this company (regardless of whether the company is keeping alot of cash or having alot of loans, it doesnt matter), the company is helping me earn 20% on my invested capital!!!....does that answer your question?


Added on August 25, 2009, 1:01 am
This is the reason why i think CSCENIC is such a good Investment long term:
I am a very conservative investor, thus i always use a 5 years average to determine if the stock is good or bad for investment.

5 Years' Return on Equity (ROE)18%: This means that you will earn back all your capital within 5 years. (if you were to buy at their book value which is at $0.73, Current price is only $0.44, that is about 40% discount to their book value!) Which means that if you were to buy at current price, assuming that everything stays constant, it takes about 3 years to earn all your capital invested. (remember that this is a recession period, and they can still sustain this kind of earning, if you believe in recovery, things will look much more rosy.)

5 Years Avg. Dividend yield: 6%
If you were to invest now, at $0.44, your dividend would be about $0.03 (that sums up to about 6%), But if you were to hold (after all the research, i believe the fair value for this stock is about $0.90-$1.00), for about one-two years, 6% of $1.00 is about $0.06 which is your dividend. that would account to a 14% dividend yield if you were to buy the stock at this price now. Key to investment is long term.

The net profit margin after tax of the company is about 16% which suggest that this is a very profitable company. Even if there is a recession, probability of this company making profit is still very high because of the high margin (as compared to other blue chip stocks' whose net profit margin after tax is on the average about 5%).

Current Ratio of 14 which suggest liquidity of the firm. For every one dollar of Debt, they have $14 in reserve to pay their debts which suggest good liquidity. The cash flow of the company is not a problem. Debt to Equity ratio is only 0.08 which suggest very very low debts relative to its equity value. Warren Buffett once said, he loves to invest in companies with little or no debts because these company will 'never' (i forgot the exact word) go into bankruptcy.

Thus, i strongly stand by what i said. Its a good buy, good company, with lots of cash and no debts and pay good dividend.

Please feel free to drop by any comments regarding this stock, thank you.


Added on August 25, 2009, 1:09 am

Seconded the comment, i agree totally, just want to add that due to the increase expected inflation in the world (after the fed pumping in so much), commodities are bound to rise....and rise alot (according to most of the analysts around the world), thus if you believe in rising commodities prices...which is very much correlated to DBI, then its very much advisable to invest in Maybulk. Personally i prefer Maybulk to BJTOTO (please note that i am not saying that BJTOTO is worthless or anything, ...simply put, i prefer Maybulk's business model more).
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CSENIC's ROE has been less than 15% for the past 3 years. Last year was even worst, less than 10%.
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Just throwing out a question here, how do you guys track your dividend payments? Manually? If you have a lot of different counters that pay dividends, and some of them (the REITs) might pay them quarterly, that's a lot of dividend payments to keep track of!

I use the CIMB's iTrade platform to buy the shares myself and while it lets me look at the dividend history of the stocks I currently own, it doesn't actual track which dividend payments I've qualified for.

I'm just curious about how the rest of you keep your financial records in order with a minimum of hassle.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 28 2009, 11:46 AM)
Just throwing out a question here, how do you guys track your dividend payments? Manually? If you have a lot of different counters that pay dividends, and some of them (the REITs) might pay them quarterly, that's a lot of dividend payments to keep track of!

I use the CIMB's iTrade platform to buy the shares myself and while it lets me look at the dividend history of the stocks I currently own, it doesn't actual track which dividend payments I've qualified for.

I'm just curious about how the rest of you keep your financial records in order with a minimum of hassle.
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wankongyew,

I do not track my dividends earned. I mean, why should I? As a dividend player, I DON'T want the hassle.

Picture this. If I have to keep tracking the dividends quarter on quarter, I'd better be investing in growth stocks to trade for the time.

Unless you are only wanting to know the total dividends you have been receiving after awhile, then that's fair. For me, I have my broker to do the accounts for me, I just have to pop them a call to check the amount received once in awhile.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 28 2009, 11:46 AM)
Just throwing out a question here, how do you guys track your dividend payments? Manually? If you have a lot of different counters that pay dividends, and some of them (the REITs) might pay them quarterly, that's a lot of dividend payments to keep track of!

I use the CIMB's iTrade platform to buy the shares myself and while it lets me look at the dividend history of the stocks I currently own, it doesn't actual track which dividend payments I've qualified for.

I'm just curious about how the rest of you keep your financial records in order with a minimum of hassle.
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KLSETracker, on the dividend tab smile.gif
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Aug 28 2009, 12:08 PM)
KLSETracker, on the dividend tab smile.gif
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Hmm, looks good but costs money though.

And to Jordy, why wouldn't you track your dividends? At the very least, surely you have to check that you're being correctly paid for the dividends that you're qualified for, right?
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 28 2009, 03:32 PM)
And to Jordy, why wouldn't you track your dividends? At the very least, surely you have to check that you're being correctly paid for the dividends that you're qualified for, right?
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First of all, I don't understand what you're trying to say here, so I would have to make my assumptions.

You are saying that the book-keepers don't know how to perform simple calculations? If that's the case, I have not encountered such instances over the years of my investments, unless you have any stories you would like to share.
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post Aug 29 2009, 12:52 AM

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Guiness declares 31sen tax exempted dividend. smile.gif
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Aug 28 2009, 03:32 PM)
Hmm, looks good but costs money though.

And to Jordy, why wouldn't you track your dividends? At the very least, surely you have to check that you're being correctly paid for the dividends that you're qualified for, right?
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my trading account give free access...

I record down all my transactions in microsoft money, its quite useful to keep track of everything. recommeded.
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For your reading pleasure ....... BAT is like a golden goose...if you can hold it for 10 years....
of course we 'projected' tobacco industrial biz is stabilize along the 10 years........................................

one thing for sure this coming October of 2009, market expects an increase of sin tax for tobacco, gambling, liquors, beers industries....
as we will see how these sin tax will result a hike in selling price of above items, at the end it is the consumers that need to fork out the money ........





1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Turnover 1,964.0 1,947.0 2,036.0 2,772.0 3,010.0 3,073.0 3,199.0 3,236.7 3,564.2 3,612.5 3,830.0 4,135.0
Profit 483.0 629.0 380.0 506.0 607.7 662.9 758.2 782.1 592.8 719.7 731.0 811.0
EPS 169.0 220.0 133.0 177.2 212.8 232.2 265.5 273.9 207.6 252.0 256.3 284.3
Net DPS 154.0 155.0 100.8 170.0 245.4 216.0 310.0 248.4 250.1 254.0 256.5 265.0



10 years (1999 - 2008) total Dividend received = RM23.16
12 years (1997 - 2008) total Dividend received = RM26.25


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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Sep 15 2009, 06:17 AM)
For your reading pleasure ....... BAT is like a golden goose...if you can hold it for 10 years....
of course we 'projected' tobacco industrial biz is stabilize along the 10 years........................................

one thing for sure this coming October of 2009, market expects an increase of sin tax for tobacco, gambling, liquors, beers industries....
as we will see how these sin tax will result a hike in selling price of above items, at the end it is the consumers that need to fork out the money ........
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Market always worry about sin tax increment will hurt those 'sin' business company, which always ended up make them make even more profit, as those tax increment always got temporarily effect only, afterwards any cost will pass to consumers which people still willing to fork out more money to buy.

The major worry is always rampant smuggling that take a share of the business away from the company.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 15 2009, 11:17 AM)
Market always worry about sin tax increment will hurt those 'sin' business company, which always ended up make them make even more profit, as those tax increment always got temporarily effect only, afterwards any cost will pass to consumers which people still willing to fork out more money to buy.

The major worry is always rampant smuggling that take a share of the business away from the company.
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Is the sin tax increment (a) or (b)
a. last year tax RM0.50 1 box. This year increase to RM0.53 1 box.
b. last year tax at 15%, this year increase to tax at 16%

If the increment is like (a), then I understand why people keep buying. Because the increase tax is just merely a reflection of inflation.
But if the increment is like (b), and every year add %, then surely one day will reach 50%, 70%, 100%.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 15 2009, 11:17 AM)
Market always worry about sin tax increment will hurt those 'sin' business company, which always ended up make them make even more profit, as those tax increment always got temporarily effect only, afterwards any cost will pass to consumers which people still willing to fork out more money to buy.

The major worry is always rampant smuggling that take a share of the business away from the company.
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Ya the smuggling thing is the one that causing the tax was being by pass.... and we are hoping it can be catched by the enforcement party....
and this smuggling also ...playing a factor as when sin tax the more it goes up, the more activities will be happening...... anyway there must be a balance between both things..... hmm.gif

so any one invested or investing or planning to invest in tobbacco counters...???


Added on September 15, 2009, 10:24 pm
QUOTE(simplesmile @ Sep 15 2009, 11:59 AM)
Is the sin tax increment (a) or (b)
a. last year tax RM0.50 1 box. This year increase to RM0.53 1 box.
b. last year tax at 15%, this year increase to tax at 16%

If the increment is like (a), then I understand why people keep buying. Because the increase tax is just merely a reflection of inflation.
But if the increment is like (b), and every year add %, then surely one day will reach 50%, 70%, 100%.
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not really understand what u mean by a and b as both also increasing..... ??


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Ya... October already... soon all the key companies to release their Q3 financial reports.... smile.gif

Hoping for surprise !!!!!!!!!!!
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As for dividend payment I invested in HTPadu and MSNiaga
HTPadu at the share price of RM1.15. For 2008 they pay RM0.21 and in 2009 RM0.17.... maybe another payment in Nov.
MSNiaga at share price of 1.64 (last year at around RM1.30) they pay RM0.19 for both 2008 and 2009.
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MSNIAGA, based on today's price, one would be enjoying a 8.5% DY (after tax). only down side is, low liquidity. it only become active prior to the release of quaterly report on Q101.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 2 2009, 12:12 PM)
MSNIAGA, based on today's price, one would be enjoying a 8.5% DY (after tax). only down side is, low liquidity. it only become active prior to the release of quaterly report on Q101.
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Yes for MSNiaga u have to wait for January or early Feb and sell before X date usually in Aug
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Finally cigarette tax gone up 1 sen to 19 sen which derived to 5.6% increment ..... so would tobacco company able to sustain it financial results again.... so what would be this coming budget that fall on Oct 23th .... will there be any hike.....

i suppose now a 20 packs cigarette is at RM9.00.... , what would be the new selling price....

most of people think that RM10.00 still another phycology resistances price...

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Dear all senior, may I know which high dividend counter that is reliable (sound management + decent dividend against inflation)? I plan to get some for long long term (>20 years) and save them for my offspring, Thank you for your advice notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(n0v1ce @ Oct 4 2009, 09:27 AM)
Dear all senior, may I know which high dividend counter that is reliable (sound management + decent dividend against inflation)?  I plan to get some for long long term (>20 years) and save them for my offspring, Thank you for your advice notworthy.gif
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[ I think an easy way is to just follow PNB :
... 1. Banking
i. Malayan Banking Berhad
ii. Public Bank Berhad
iii. AMMB Holding Bhd
....2 . Cnstruction
i WCT
ii. Sunway Holding
.....3 Consummer
i . UMW
ii. QL resources
..... 4 Industrial
i UCI Technologies
ii. Chemical Company of Malaysia
......5. Infrastructures
i. Digi
ii. YTL Power
iii. Axiata
..... Plantation
i Kulim
ii. Hap Seng Plantation
iii. IOICorp
iV. KLK
..... Property
i. YNH property
..... Technology
i MPIB
ii. HTPadu
..... Trading
i. Sime
ii . Tenaga
iii. MISC
iV PLUS
v. Alam Maritim Resources Bhd
vi. Petra Energy
and many more

or just invest in the KLCI counters.



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