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4 layer P35 boards may not work with Q9000 series
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TSjinaun
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 Dec 23 2007, 10:15 AM, updated 18y ago
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where are my stars???
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QUOTE Intel Yorkfield Chip Delay Due To Board Issues: Report
Intel may delay the rollout of quad-core Yorkfield non-Extreme processors because of motherboard issues, according to a report at PC Watch (X-bit Labs also cited the report).
An Intel spokesperson responded this way: "All we are saying is Q1 for now, with more exact details at CES [Consumer Electronics Show]." Rumors have been circulating that Intel is delaying its Yorkfield non-Extreme processors strictly because, some theories go, competition from AMD has dwindled--due to quad-core Phenom and Barcelona delays--to the point that Intel saw no compelling reason to bring out new desktop processors.
Actually, there appears to be a more practical reason behind the delay of the Q9550, Q9450, Q9300 45-nanometer quad-core processors. Sources at Taiwan motherboard manufacturers are citing problems with the front-side bus (FSB) on certain boards that would use the Yorkfield non-Extreme processors. More specifically, mass-market four-layer boards, such as some P35-based boards, may have "noise" and stability issues, according to PC Watch which cited Taiwan motherboard vendors.
High-end, six-layer boards, such as those that use the X38 chipset, do not appear to have any FSB issues, according to the report. Consequently, high-end (six-layer) boards based on Intel's Extreme QX9650 do not have the issue, but lower-end boards using upcoming Yorkfield non-Extreme chips could potentially have issues. Apparently, Harpertown and dual-core Wolfdale boards do not have issues.
Finally, what rumors and reports seem to be missing is that Intel is not necessarily intentionally delaying these processors because it believes that AMD is not competitive. The more plausible reason is that Intel believes that it has breathing room to fix the issue because of the AMD Barcelona and Phenom delays. The Intel fix may take one to two months, according to reports. sos tiram: http://www.x86watch.com/news/intel-first-q...launch-197.htmlThis post has been edited by jinaun: Dec 23 2007, 10:18 AM |
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sniper69
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Dec 23 2007, 10:39 AM
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kmarc
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Dec 23 2007, 12:30 PM
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Hmmm.... wonder how Intel is going to "fix" this? Would it be a CPU fix or mobo fix? BTW, Gigabyte P35-DS3 has how many PCB aaa?  |
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sHawTY
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Dec 23 2007, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Dec 23 2007, 10:39 AM) Eleh, bukan ko nak jual ke?  |
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Godek
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Dec 23 2007, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 23 2007, 12:30 PM) Hmmm.... wonder how Intel is going to "fix" this? Would it be a CPU fix or mobo fix? BTW, Gigabyte P35-DS3 has how many PCB aaa? Yalor, DS3 how many PCB layer ? |
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Volt
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Dec 23 2007, 02:33 PM
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yup.... i want to know to....hope intel can fix that problem cos i hate to change my mobo again  |
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Godek
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Dec 23 2007, 02:48 PM
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sigh..DS3 is 4 layer PCB..mostly only high-end mobo is 6 layer. other than that only 4 layer
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skymyxe
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Dec 23 2007, 06:58 PM
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Gigabyte's P35 chipset boards all have 4 layers of PCB  http://www.rectron.com.au/pr_gigabyteboard.htm |
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ahsiah
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Dec 23 2007, 07:38 PM
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Just wonder P5K Deluxe has how many layer?
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kmarc
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Dec 23 2007, 09:21 PM
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I think normal P35 owners don't have to panic yet la...... let's see what Intel can come up with. If the Penryn truly can't run on anything except X38/X48 mobos, then the majority won't be able to run penryn..... Imagine how many people do have 6 layer PCB or X38/X48.....
This post has been edited by kmarc: Dec 23 2007, 09:21 PM
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TSjinaun
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Dec 23 2007, 09:48 PM
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where are my stars???
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QUOTE(kmarc @ Dec 23 2007, 09:21 PM) I think normal P35 owners don't have to panic yet la...... let's see what Intel can come up with. If the Penryn truly can't run on anything except X38/X48 mobos, then the majority won't be able to run penryn..... Imagine how many people do have 6 layer PCB or X38/X48..... its due to the FSB..so... maybe workaround would be bios from board makers which..modulate the fsb signal in such a way to stabalize it at the cost speed... or intel perhaps reduce the FSB from 1333 to 1066 well.. i speculating This post has been edited by jinaun: Dec 24 2007, 12:07 AM |
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overclockalbert
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Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM
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i might be going for 2nd hand Asus blitx formula , also P35 chip mobo.
do this mobo have 6 layer pcb? i state there ready for 45n penryn chip
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skymyxe
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Dec 23 2007, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(overclockalbert @ Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM) i might be going for 2nd hand Asus blitx formula , also P35 chip mobo. do this mobo have 6 layer pcb? i state there ready for 45n penryn chip Not sure, try and check with ASUS, my Gigabyte also said 45nm ready but still according to TS, 4 layer PCB can't run it. |
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goldfries
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Dec 23 2007, 11:30 PM
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40K Club
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QUOTE(skymyxe @ Dec 23 2007, 11:24 PM) Not sure, try and check with ASUS, my Gigabyte also said 45nm ready but still according to TS, 4 layer PCB can't run it. i would that you people take a little more effort in understanding the article. QUOTE More specifically, mass-market four-layer boards, such as some P35-based boards, may have "noise" and stability issues, according to PC Watch which cited Taiwan motherboard vendors. in no way did the article say existing P35 board can't run 45nm processors. all it said is that SOME (not ALL) P35-based boards MAY have "noise" & "stability" issues...... that doesn't mean can't run it. edited : and it's not TS who said so. it's the article that said so. This post has been edited by goldfries: Dec 23 2007, 11:32 PM |
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Godek
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Dec 23 2007, 11:32 PM
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according to that article, there is a problem with Penyrn processor and P35 chipset/ 4 layer PCB. Correct me if i wrong
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Terence573
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Dec 23 2007, 11:34 PM
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OMG if thats true.....getting a p35 will be like lottery also? When u bought the cpu then only u realize it doesn't support.Hopefully not coz I'm getting p35-ds3.
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Godek
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Dec 24 2007, 01:44 AM
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hmm, guy its possible we exchange if P35/4 layer PCB not stable (read: article said not stable but still can use) on Penryn processor. But I still hope they can solve this problem. If not we like been cheated, said can support but not stable.
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Terence573
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Dec 24 2007, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE(Godek @ Dec 24 2007, 01:44 AM) hmm, guy its possible we exchange if P35/4 layer PCB not stable (read: article said not stable but still can use) on Penryn processor. But I still hope they can solve this problem. If not we like been cheated, said can support but not stable. Yalor then they should state " support some upcoming penryn cpu"instead. |
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Berserker
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Dec 24 2007, 01:34 PM
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From the way I look at it. Intel wanna promote and sell their new chipset. |
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TSjinaun
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Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM
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where are my stars???
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QUOTE(Berserker @ Dec 24 2007, 01:34 PM) From the way I look at it. Intel wanna promote and sell their new chipset. i dun think so.. its design issues board manufacturers can make 6 layers P35 but its gonna be expensive |
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akachester
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Dec 24 2007, 03:22 PM
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Just when they announced to delay the Penryn, this news with P35 comes out?Nah, i definitely giving penryn a pass. Opting for the Q6600 instead and happily waiting for Nahelem..  |
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zeustronic
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Dec 24 2007, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(ahsiah @ Dec 23 2007, 08:38 PM) Just wonder P5K Deluxe has how many layer? P5K Deluxe version not sure, but Premium has 8 layers PCB  . P5K3 Deluxe come with 10 layers PCB w00t. This post has been edited by zeustronic: Dec 24 2007, 04:04 PM |
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skymyxe
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Dec 24 2007, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 23 2007, 11:30 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « i would that you people take a little more effort in understanding the article. in no way did the article say existing P35 board can't run 45nm processors. all it said is that SOME (not ALL) P35-based boards MAY have "noise" & "stability" issues...... that doesn't mean can't run it. edited : and it's not TS who said so. it's the article that said so. Yeah, couldn't agree more. But still have to wait for any further news and tests done to really make sure whether current P35 boards with 4 PCB layers can run the 45nm processor smoothly.
Added on December 24, 2007, 7:04 pmQUOTE(Berserker @ Dec 24 2007, 01:34 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « From the way I look at it. Intel wanna promote and sell their new chipset. That might be possible too. But the X38 chipset is not price as low as the P35 and not many people can afford it. Maybe in a couple of months time. This post has been edited by skymyxe: Dec 24 2007, 07:04 PM |
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super_evil_alien
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Dec 25 2007, 05:09 AM
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Maybe later BIOS update will solve this problem.
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skymyxe
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Dec 25 2007, 01:16 PM
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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ Dec 25 2007, 05:09 AM) Maybe later BIOS update will solve this problem. Maybe or maybe not. Whatever it is, have to wait until further test of stability is confirmed and will the P35 chipset run smoothly with the upcoming 45nm processor. |
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