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post Dec 20 2007, 10:51 PM


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Hi all , i m just here to asking for advice , i had a 1.3 iswara aeroback , i want to upgrade the engine to a better 1 , wat engine can be put in legally ?? The price i consider is about in 5k .
which type of engine performence is the best and worth to be change ?

From the previous topic i saw a almost same topic tat wat i putting now , wat car accually using those engine tat i pose at below ,
- 4g13
- 4g15
- 4g61
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 21 2007, 01:51 AM)
Hi all , i m just here to asking for advice , i had a 1.3 iswara aeroback , i want to upgrade the engine to a better 1 , wat engine can be put in legally ?? The price i consider is about in 5k .
which type of engine performence is the best and worth to be change ?

From the previous topic i saw a almost same topic tat wat i putting now , wat car accually using those engine tat i pose at below ,
- 4g13
- 4g15
- 4g61
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1. saga 1.3
2. saga 1.5
3. mirage turbo
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post Dec 20 2007, 11:01 PM


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ever consider 4g91? its an injector engine and comes with DOHC
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QUOTE(maddriver @ Dec 21 2007, 12:00 AM)
1. saga 1.3
2. saga 1.5
3. mirage turbo
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If change 4g15 mean just upgrade abit oni rite ? enuf powerful ?
Got other suggestion to change engine type ? C
Can Mivec engine fit ?
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 21 2007, 02:04 AM)
If change 4g15 mean just upgrade abit oni rite ? enuf powerful ?
Got other suggestion to change engine type ? C
Can Mivec engine fit ?
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check out the other thread on suitable engines for iswara
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post Dec 20 2007, 11:07 PM


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QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 21 2007, 12:01 AM)
ever consider 4g91? its an injector engine and comes with DOHC
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From wat i read from the other topic in forum , heard tat 1g91 is not suitable for iswara rite ? Somethings about the mouthing , if i modify the car mouthing , will it pass jpj ?
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post Dec 20 2007, 11:24 PM


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if u modify the mounting, sure fail

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post Dec 20 2007, 11:24 PM


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erk no mounting require to change la. if you alter mounting it will not pass jpj inspection. if mounting change can pass jpj, everyone put in b16a dee.


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QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 21 2007, 02:24 AM)
erk no mounting require to change la. if you alter mounting it will not pass jpj inspection. if mounting change can pass jpj,  everyone put in b16a dee.
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done that once................
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 21 2007, 12:24 AM)
erk no mounting require to change la. if you alter mounting it will not pass jpj inspection. if mounting change can pass jpj,  everyone put in b16a dee.
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Wat mean by "mounting change" can pass jpj ? WAT IS A b16 a dee smile.gif
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 20 2007, 11:04 PM)
If change 4g15 mean just upgrade abit oni rite ? enuf powerful ?
Got other suggestion to change engine type ? C
Can Mivec engine fit ?
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mivec engine is 4g92... no, it does not fit in without mounting modifications...

QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 20 2007, 11:46 PM)
Wat mean by "mounting change" can pass jpj ? WAT IS A b16 a dee smile.gif
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if u modify the engine mountings, u cannot pass jpj.... engine mounting is the thing that ur engine hang on to...
b16 is honda vtec engine...
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post Dec 21 2007, 07:26 AM


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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 21 2007, 12:46 AM)
Wat mean by "mounting change" can pass jpj ? WAT IS A b16 a dee smile.gif
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But you type "if mounting change can pass jpj"wat does it mean ?
Wat the different between Ab16a dee and 4g15 , which 1 better ? do anyone have those spac list ? unsure.gif
Ab16a dee use in what car before ?
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post Dec 21 2007, 09:33 AM


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Its B16A only, there is no A at the front

Its a Honda DOHC VTEC 1.6 engine producing 160-170HP, its definitely better than a 4G15 1.5 SOHC producing around 90HP
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post Dec 21 2007, 01:57 PM


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Yeah and if mod, can really smoke 4g92 mivec kaw kaw. btw, how many mivecs are there? mivec md (silver top), mivec rs (blacktop?), what else ar
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post Dec 21 2007, 05:48 PM


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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 21 2007, 10:33 AM)
Its B16A only, there is no A at the front

Its a Honda DOHC VTEC 1.6 engine producing 160-170HP, its definitely better than a 4G15 1.5 SOHC producing around 90HP
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Did B16A fit iswara mounting ?
How much is the price ?
B16A used in wat Honda car ??
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 21 2007, 05:48 PM)
Did B16A fit iswara mounting ?
How much is the price ?
B16A used in wat Honda car ??
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B16A does not fit iswara. If fit everyone already go for it lol. The other question not so sure. Let the sifu do the talk rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 21 2007, 01:57 PM)
Yeah and if mod, can really smoke 4g92 mivec kaw kaw. btw, how many mivecs are there? mivec md (silver top), mivec rs (blacktop?), what else ar
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and the normal mivec silvertop... icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 21 2007, 05:48 PM)
Did B16A fit iswara mounting ?
How much is the price ?
B16A used in wat Honda car ??
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FYI, someone had done it before long time ago... during the days where jpj officers were still sleeping in the office... whistling.gif

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post Dec 21 2007, 07:37 PM


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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 21 2007, 08:23 PM)
and the normal mivec silvertop... icon_rolleyes.gif
FYI, someone had done it before long time ago... during the days where jpj officers were still sleeping in the office...  whistling.gif
wow ,NICE picuture , in the word does it mean tat only 4g15 fit iswara ? got any other 1.6 engine choice ?
wat about 4g16 and 4g9X series ??
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where do u find 4G16 sweat.gif
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I think he meant 4G18p
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post Dec 21 2007, 09:20 PM


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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 21 2007, 09:54 PM)
I think he meant 4G18p
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Sorry , type wrongly , IS 4g61 ,
So izit , 4g61 and 4g9x not fit iswara ? even fit oso not going pass jpj rite ?


Added on December 21, 2007, 9:28 pmIf I change a 4g15 , how much totally it cost include all those part to repair , change n the mechanic ?

Wat if i dunwan change , using back my old 1.3 iswara aeroback engine, how much it will cost for Overhaul ,it od 12 years old engine , can it be upgrade adding parts ? Which 1 more worth compare change a 4g15 , got other engine then 4G15 fit iswara illegaly ??? Sori for so many question.

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Another solution is find maddriver.
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 21 2007, 09:20 PM)

Added on December 21, 2007, 9:28 pmIf I change a 4g15 , how much totally it cost include all those part to repair , change n the mechanic ?

Wat if i dunwan change , using back my old 1.3 iswara aeroback engine, how much it will cost for Overhaul ,it od 12 years old engine , can it be upgrade adding parts ? Which 1 more worth compare change a 4g15 , got other engine then 4G15 fit iswara illegaly ??? Sori for so many question.
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if u craving for more horsepower, go get 4g15... fuel injection if u wanna save petrol... carburetor is u doesnt have that much budget.... both has potential to mod into powerful engine, so u dont have to worry....

if 4g15 injection, prepare about rm3k for everything... if u get the uk spec iswara 1.5L efi engine, it is abit more expensive... about rm3.5k... not sure why, but it does comes with build-in-fuel-pump-fuel tank... (carbie engines use mechanical fuel pump while efi needs electric fuel pump)... u can also use back ur stock fuel pump, but u need to buy external fuel pump and add fuel regulator...

if 4g15 carburetor, u jz need 1k... coz u jz need to change the cylinder block to 1.5 block... cylinder head is the same for 4g13 and 4g15...

overhaulin ur standard 4g13... cost about rm1k also lah...

other engine that can fit iswara illegally is vr4... 2.0L turbocharged engine found in mitsubishi galant turbo... producing about 220-240bhp... thumbup.gif

i would say changing to 4g15 efi engine is worth it... since fuel price in increasing like hell, u do need good fuel consumption... as for power, there are alwiz upgrades u can add on to ur car later... icon_rolleyes.gif
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vr4 also same mounting with iswara?
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 22 2007, 01:08 AM)
vr4 also same mounting with iswara?
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yeap... but not 100% plug n play lah... driveshaft have to custom made... thats why vr4 owners in saga iswara often face broken driveshafts if tarik too often... (they cut and reweld the driveshaft, thats why cannot withstand enormous stress)....
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Wow, seem it is headache to maintain it. Driveshaft is the thing that connect the gearbox to engine? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 22 2007, 01:26 AM)
Wow, seem it is headache to maintain it.  Driveshaft is the thing that connect the gearbox to engine? hmm.gif
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noler... sweat.gif driveshaft is the thing that connect ur gearbox to ur cv-joint....

no need to think of maintaining it when u cant even get pass jpj... icon_rolleyes.gif
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catacomb,
dunwan to put 6A10 in ur ride ar?
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QUOTE(hamiru @ Dec 22 2007, 03:48 AM)
catacomb,
dunwan to put 6A10 in ur ride ar?
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like this guy??.. rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 22 2007, 01:54 AM)
if 4g15 carburetor, u jz need 1k... coz u jz need to change the cylinder block to 1.5 block... cylinder head is the same for 4g13 and 4g15...
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u mean 4g15 carburetor no need to change engine . just change the block ???
I heard 4g15 efi very hard to drive in another iswara topic , izit real ?


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catacomb,
dunwan to put 6A10 in ur ride ar?
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Sori sifu , I not really very know for engine stuff, wat is a 6A10 ??
Can giv some explanation , wanna learn more knowledge about car . biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 22 2007, 07:34 AM)
u mean 4g15 carburetor no need to change engine . just change the block ???
I heard 4g15 efi very hard to drive in another iswara topic , izit real ?


Added on December 22, 2007, 7:37 am
Sori sifu , I not really very know for engine stuff, wat is a 6A10 ??
Can giv some explanation , wanna learn more knowledge about car . biggrin.gif
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4g13 and 4g15 engine is the same EXCEPT the block... so u jz need to find the 4g15 block and tadaa... u'll have a 1.5L engine... icon_rolleyes.gif

why 4g15 efi vr hard to drive??... hmm.gif

6a10 is 1.6L v6 engine.... darn heavy engine... but the engine sound marvelous (bcoz its a v6)....

read more about 6a10 discussion: http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/car...-v6-engine.html
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 22 2007, 02:45 PM)
4g13 and 4g15 engine is the same EXCEPT the block... so u jz need to find the 4g15 block and tadaa... u'll have a 1.5L engine... icon_rolleyes.gif

why 4g15 efi vr hard to drive??...  hmm.gif

6a10 is 1.6L v6 engine.... darn heavy engine... but the engine sound marvelous (bcoz its a v6)....

read more about 6a10 discussion: http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/car...-v6-engine.html
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If I change the block will be a 4g15 right ? how much does it cost ?
Compare with 4g15 caburator and fuel injection , which 1 is more good n powerful ?
6a10 fit iswara illegally ??


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why 4g15 efi vr hard to drive??...  hmm.gif


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yes...it is...in fact it is a bit harder to drive this engine on iswara, i need to shift up very frequent..too often i must say, cause the rpm keep climbing too quick.feels like using short ratio gearbox d...haha, iswara just not worth to go that high powered engine. drivability also affected if too powerful. ) <---- HERE say hard to drive ? izit really face that kind of problem , or depand on how you use the car ?

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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 22 2007, 03:38 PM)
If I change the block will be a 4g15 right ? how much does it cost ?
Compare with 4g15 caburator and fuel injection , which 1 is more good n powerful ?
6a10 fit iswara illegally ??


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(  Proton iswara uk spec?
yes...it is...in fact it is a bit harder to drive this engine on iswara, i need to shift up very frequent..too often i must say, cause the rpm keep climbing too quick.feels like using short ratio gearbox d...haha, iswara just not worth to go that high powered engine. drivability also affected if too powerful.  )    <---- HERE say hard to drive ? izit really face that kind of problem , or depand on how you use the car ?
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change block only roughly will cost about rm1k...

4g15 carburetor and fuel injection at stock standard form, carburetor has better throttle response... but both has its tuning path to be a potential beast (within realistic limits)... besides, u can opt for turbocharger is u are using fuel injection engine...

yeap... 6a10 fit iswara illegally...

rpm climb fast means powerful loh... no good meh??.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 22 2007, 05:32 PM)
change block only roughly will cost about rm1k...

4g15 carburetor and fuel injection at stock standard form, carburetor has better throttle response... but both has its tuning path to be a potential beast (within realistic limits)... besides, u can opt for turbocharger is u are using fuel injection engine...

yeap... 6a10 fit iswara illegally...

rpm climb fast means powerful loh... no good meh??..  doh.gif
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Seem 6a10 oni can modified abit , so not very intrested in that engine .
May i know how much is the price for 4G15 fuel injection and also 4G15 efi fuel injection ??? I mean engine plus all the fee for put in .
Both engine is original from what car on the market now ? Izit from Saga ??

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Dude, EFI is fuel injection
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Dec 22 2007, 11:52 PM)
Dude, EFI is fuel injection
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OH ,sori sori , din know very well about that , ahha , sorry ! laugh.gif

fuel injection more for modified or carburator ?
will fuel injection eat more fuel then caburator ? because next year petrol will up crazy crazy , Did the caburator performence same as the fuel injection engine ?

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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 22 2007, 07:44 PM)
Seem 6a10 oni can modified abit , so not very intrested in that engine .
May i know how much is the price for 4G15 fuel injection and also 4G15 efi  fuel injection ??? I mean engine plus all the fee for put in .
Both engine is original from what car on the market now ? Izit from Saga ??
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fuel injection = efi

everything in, i not sure... but approx about 3k or less....

saga 4g15 efi only can be found in uk spec version... this is vr rare...
u can alwiz opt for wira 4g15 efi....

QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 23 2007, 12:12 AM)
OH ,sori sori , din know very well about that , ahha , sorry !  laugh.gif

fuel injection more for modified or carburator ?
will fuel injection eat more fuel then caburator ? because next year petrol will up crazy crazy , Did the caburator performence same as the fuel injection engine ?
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both has modification potentials.... but fuel injection is better in fuel economy in stock standard form... smile.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 23 2007, 01:26 AM)
fuel injection = efi

everything in, i not sure... but approx about 3k or less....
saga 4g15 efi only can be found in uk spec version... this is vr rare...
u can alwiz opt for wira 4g15 efi....
both has modification potentials.... but fuel injection is better in fuel economy in stock standard form... smile.gif
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IC, then if i change my 4g13 to 4g15 efi , izit just change the engine only ?
Had to change wat things else ? The gear box need ?
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upgrade mai ur braking system and suspension system for a better ride..
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 23 2007, 12:54 AM)
IC, then if i change my 4g13 to 4g15 efi , izit just change the engine only ?
Had to change wat things else ? The gear box need ?
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if u taking wira 4g15 efi, get the whole engine + wiring + ecu everything... u also need to get an external electric fuel pump as efi cars use electric fuel pump...

if u taking saga uk spec 4g15 efi, everything is plug and play, including the fuel tank which has a build in electric fuel pump...

gearbox can use back ur standard one... but if the new gearbox u getting is F5M211VRBE, use this one... because it has a different first and fifth gear ratio... this gearbox allows u to have higher topspeed compare to F5M211VRAC gearbox...

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if u taking wira 4g15 efi, get the whole engine + wiring + ecu everything... u also need to get an external electric fuel pump as efi cars use electric fuel pump...

if u taking saga uk spec 4g15 efi, everything is plug and play, including the fuel tank which has a build in electric fuel pump...


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Our wira and saga 4g15 is all recond back from the mitshubushi engine right ?
So wat is the newest year engine from 4g15 efi ?
If i change 4g15 efi , had to see the wat condition of the engine 1st ?
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of course u have to check the condition of the engine before any transplant
Your foreman can do that for you
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 23 2007, 11:22 AM)
Our wira and saga 4g15 is all recond back from the mitshubushi engine right ?
So wat is the newest year engine from 4g15 efi ?
If i change 4g15 efi , had to see the wat condition of the engine 1st ?
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u actually have to find a trusted mech to go with u.. if possible u overhaul the engine first.. full overhaul if u take care of it i think in 5-7 years the engine wont give u any problem.. Last time when my dad go transplant engine.. they ll start the engine for u to see and u cant actually see the engine condition for the interior part so they only see the exterior part and hear the engine sound only. The mech say ok but after my dad use it for almost a year then the engine start to burn motor oil already.. blink.gif now my dad did top overhaul already.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 23 2007, 11:22 AM)
Our wira and saga 4g15 is all recond back from the mitshubushi engine right ?
So wat is the newest year engine from 4g15 efi ?
If i change 4g15 efi , had to see the wat condition of the engine 1st ?
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nope... all proton engines are brand new ler... they only took the mitsubishi engine design and manufacturer it again....
not sure when is the newest year engine from 4g15 efi ler... have to ask proton which is their last batch of 4g15 equiped cars... haha...
when u gonna buy an engine from halfcut shop, ask ur trusted mech to go along... icon_rolleyes.gif
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ok.

i want to learn smthng here.

isit 4g15 efi from wira is plug and play on saga chasis? i mean all the mounting and etc ?

and, what is needed to do this conversion?

*engine (of coz lah)
*wiring?
*new better brake system?
*gearbox? from which engine? stock or can plug and play from wira also?

sorry, noobs want to learn smthng here.

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QUOTE(camel90 @ Dec 24 2007, 11:35 AM)
ok.

i want to learn smthng here.

isit 4g15 efi from wira is plug and play on saga chasis? i mean all the mounting and etc ?

and, what is needed to do this conversion?

*engine (of coz lah)
*wiring?
*new better brake system?
*gearbox? from which engine? stock or can plug and play from wira also?

sorry, noobs want to learn smthng here.
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yeap, 4g15 efi from wira plug n play on saga chassis... but u have to reposition ur battery lah... coz that place is blocking the airfilter...

- engine
- wiring (complete from the engine mah... dun buy engine lantai/kosong lah... those without wiring...)
- better brakes are optional... but its good to upgrade... safety first...
- gearbox can use back ur original one... but if u want better, check my previous posting last page about gearbox code... coz they have different gear ratio for first n last gear... both is plug n play, only gear ratio different...
- external fuel pump... since ur standard fuel pump is mechanical, u need an external electrical fuel pump....
- adjustable fuel regulator (optional)... only needed if ur external fuel pump produce too high fuel pressure... if not, dun need...
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sifu catacomb
nice info thumbup.gif
later i bring u together to find the engine in halfcut
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check also on the EFI, there are 2 version, MMC and SIEMEN. get the one with MMC.
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QUOTE(hamiru @ Dec 25 2007, 12:50 AM)
sifu catacomb
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later i bring u together to find the engine in halfcut
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bring me along no use ler... i know how to talk only... ask me see engine condition mana i tau... i noob leh... blink.gif blink.gif

QUOTE(Vervain @ Dec 25 2007, 02:01 AM)
check also on the EFI, there are 2 version, MMC and SIEMEN. get the one with MMC.
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i think no need to open two topics on the same issue...
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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Dec 25 2007, 11:30 AM)
i think no need to open two topics on the same issue...
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normal inspection of half cut. check on smoke coming out. hear the sound when idle and rev. and open the radiator cap. check when rev and see whether the water is kicking out or not. if yes.. you better start looking for another one. its somewhat rule of thumb used by mechanics to make judgment. also look at the engine condition to check for leakage.
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Y had to see whether the water is kicking out or not. if yes.. , When the water is hot , not normally it will jump out ??
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don't know.. didn't ask my friend, i assume its similar as placing a glass of water on the engine head to check for vibration internally. if not means it has got to do with the flow of water throughout the engine. water pumps, internal water flow of the engine. not sure.. i'll ask him next time when i see him
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Hi , sifu ,izit hard to find 4g15 efi uk spec ??
Since it is a uk spec ? wat does it mean by the "UK" united kindom ???

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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Dec 26 2007, 09:32 PM)
Hi , sifu ,izit hard to find 4g15 efi uk spec ??
Since it is a uk spec ? wat does it mean by the "UK" united kindom ???
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yeap... quite hard to find 4g15 iswara uk spec...
uk spec means imported version... proton alwiz do better cars for imported models, leaving stupid low quality cars for us... doh.gif doh.gif
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my uk spec engine is very powerful wink.gif
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quite different on UK specs. cause normally they throw in air bags and other safety gadgets to comply with foreign regulations. also to compete with other car manufacturers. for the same price you pay on a uk version (means you bought it in UK) you get more. Normally to get the UK version, you need lubang. any when i say lubang means you have to know people which can really get you the car. 10 years ago, my friend bought his personal completely with leather seats, ABS and air bags as standards. back then, there wasn't even a cd player on the damn local wira.

wah.. powerful tu...
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 22 2007, 04:32 PM)
change block only roughly will cost about rm1k...

4g15 carburetor and fuel injection at stock standard form, carburetor has better throttle response... but both has its tuning path to be a potential beast (within realistic limits)... besides, u can opt for turbocharger is u are using fuel injection engine...

yeap... 6a10 fit iswara illegally...

rpm climb fast means powerful loh... no good meh??..  doh.gif
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6a10 fit illegally??? shakehead.gif ...watch your words my friend...that engine in my car is LEGAL rclxms.gif ...hard to believe...can see my pink slip (with a little fee hehhehehe) brows.gif
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QUOTE(mie4385 @ Feb 6 2009, 04:35 PM)
6a10 fit illegally??? shakehead.gif ...watch your words my friend...that engine in my car is LEGAL rclxms.gif ...hard to believe...can see my pink slip (with a little fee hehhehehe)  brows.gif
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sorry boss... i dun mean illegally... i mean have to mod mounting.... sorry for my noobness boss.... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 6 2009, 09:11 PM)
sorry boss... i dun mean illegally... i mean have to mod mounting.... sorry for my noobness boss.... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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hAHA, Anyway , did any1 got saga iswara with 6A10 inside ? take some picture to share pls . rclxms.gif
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4G91 is also good choice to fit in Iswara
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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Feb 7 2009, 10:04 AM)
hAHA, Anyway , did any1 got saga iswara with 6A10 inside ? take some picture to share pls . rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 22 2007, 05:22 AM)
like this guy??.. rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif

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WAH, damn fit oh , no other free space at all d , any way , catocombs taiko , the car apporove by jpj ? how much hp on a iswara ?


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4G91 is also good choice to fit in Iswara
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Ya, i have change it to 4g91 , wanna ask taiko taiko , mirage 2wd gearbox wif code B00B0L EV4569 , will it fix iswara with the 4g91 engine ??? Rm800 Will it expensive,just the gearbox oni , not include the pedal n clutch pump kit .

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yup bro....thats my engine on my car....on hp not so great coz of some hiccups....btw,thanks on your info of the tank....one question,did you change the pump on the injection tank? if not,the original pump is enough to support 4g91 injectors?

abt the mirage gbox with 4g91...dunno wether will fit or not...might as well check with your mech...but RM800 is consider cheap for a mirage 2wd gbox...
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huh,TAT IS ur car ??? take some more picture for me , heheheh . Moster car . About the tank , i din change the pump , is original from 4g15 injection type . to current still ok , not very lack . Mayb will upgrade in future .


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QUOTE(SKYTECH @ Feb 7 2009, 03:51 PM)
WAH, damn fit oh , no other free space at all d , any way , catocombs taiko , the car apporove by jpj ? how much hp on a iswara ?
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QUOTE(mie4385 @ Feb 11 2009, 02:25 PM)
yup bro....thats my engine on my car....on hp not so great coz of some hiccups....btw,thanks on your info of the tank....one question,did you change the pump on the injection tank? if not,the original pump is enough to support 4g91 injectors?

abt the mirage gbox with 4g91...dunno wether will fit or not...might as well check with your mech...but RM800 is consider cheap for a mirage 2wd gbox...
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old days are easy to pass puspakom , now i tink very hard d , unleast u got alot of money to give them . If alot of money , i rather buy new car d . hahah . 6A10 not very expensive rite ? now halfcut around 5k also rite ?
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4g 15 efi is rare in malaysia isn't it?

I been thinking, if efi version got price, why cant the dealer just bring in old iswara uk spec to malaysia since the car gona get crushed anyway with uk media label our car as junk class Y_Y.
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skytech > can take a look at myrides at sioc...look for my nick...
now expensive already for RM5k....last time when ppl dun even look at this engine,i was able to get for rm2k only (halfcut)...actually i didnt hv any major problems during endorsing...myself bring the car for inspection,everything ok...only the officer close 1 eye coz my front mounting koyak oledi at that time...only for the name change (tukar nama) i use a runner,coz lazy to go to JPJ

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QUOTE(mikro @ Feb 16 2009, 03:55 PM)
4g 15 efi is rare in malaysia isn't it?

I been thinking, if efi version got price, why cant the dealer just bring in old iswara uk spec to malaysia since the car gona get crushed anyway with uk media label our car as junk class Y_Y.
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not absolutely rare... but the mmc version is rare... svdo ones are everywhere...
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svdo is the Siemens ones?
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Dec 24 2007, 06:10 PM)
yeap, 4g15 efi from wira plug n play on saga chassis... but u have to reposition ur battery lah... coz that place is blocking the airfilter...

- engine
- wiring (complete from the engine mah... dun buy engine lantai/kosong lah... those without wiring...)
- better brakes are optional... but its good to upgrade... safety first...
- gearbox can use back ur original one... but if u want better, check my previous posting last page about gearbox code... coz they have different gear ratio for first n last gear... both is plug n play, only gear ratio different...
- external fuel pump... since ur standard fuel pump is mechanical, u need an external electrical fuel pump....
- adjustable fuel regulator (optional)... only needed if ur external fuel pump produce too high fuel pressure... if not, dun need...
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I beg to differ. I dont think 4G15 EFi from wira can fit into saga/iswara. Something different with the mounting if I'm not mistaken. please forgive me if I'm wrong. notworthy.gif

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yup,timing belt side mounting diff

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QUOTE(mikro @ Feb 17 2009, 03:10 PM)
svdo is the Siemens ones?
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I beg to differ. I dont think 4G15 EFi from wira can fit into saga/iswara. Something different with the mounting if I'm not mistaken. please forgive me if I'm wrong.  notworthy.gif
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yup,timing belt side mounting diff
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nod.gif  nod.gif
and the cross member mounting on gearbox also different rite??.. unsure.gif
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something like that kot... coz a mechanic once told me kena modify something with the tapak gearbox. rclxub.gif

kalau x dah lama engine wira 1.5 efi masuk saga lama aku. brows.gif
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tapak gbox...i'm not sure,coz i'm using wira gbox but no need to mod gbox mounting...
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abt wira 1.5 efi to be use in iswara chasis. why not just take wiring,intake manifold.. and anything to complete the injection setup... ?? block+gearbox use back old iswara ones.. i guess it shud be the same no mounting adjust.
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QUOTE(mie4385 @ Feb 17 2009, 08:09 PM)
tapak gbox...i'm not sure,coz i'm using wira gbox but no need to mod gbox mounting...
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but wira gearbox into saga chassis, there is no bottom rod which holds the gearbox in place rite??....

QUOTE(detomaso @ Feb 17 2009, 08:23 PM)
abt wira 1.5 efi to be use in iswara chasis. why not just take wiring,intake manifold.. and anything to complete the injection setup... ?? block+gearbox use back old iswara ones.. i guess it shud be the same no mounting adjust.
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yeap... but many mechanic prefer a direct swap rather than disecting the engine up... and another reason why is perhaps the owner's engine is too old and the wira 1.5 efi is new....
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something like that kot... coz a mechanic once told me kena modify something with the tapak gearbox. rclxub.gif

kalau x dah lama engine wira 1.5 efi masuk saga lama aku.  brows.gif
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i thought we can plonk in the engine by using back the saga mounting?
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yup no bottom rod...
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i agree with mie4385.. but just minor mod only at the mountings... small matter for mech...

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