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TSjudas
post Dec 16 2007, 01:29 AM, updated 19y ago

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Any recomendation on guitar cables??
I heard that custom making a Canare Gs-6 is an option...
But anyway..let me hear from u guys...
Really noob in this cable thingy....
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post Dec 16 2007, 01:35 AM

 
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just get a decent ibanez cable will do.
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post Dec 16 2007, 06:37 AM

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QUOTE(judas @ Dec 16 2007, 01:29 AM)
Any recomendation on guitar cables??
I heard that custom making a Canare Gs-6 is an option...
But anyway..let me hear from u guys...
Really noob in this cable thingy....
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Those are quite expensive... IMO, you won't hear much difference...
I'm using Neutrik cables on my stereo output guitar (around RM80), and normal Ernie Ball Ultraflex cables on my mono output guitars (around RM35)...
Can't hear the tonal differences... Or you can say too noob to hear the difference biggrin.gif
I used Neutrik because its the only better quality cables with TRS L-shaped heads, I'm not gonna shell out RM500 for a cable...

Do check out Neutrik for slightly cheaper heads compared to Canare icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 16 2007, 09:40 AM

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i was told by my mate to get fender or planet wave, they are better than average and wont cost an arm and a leg for noobies like u and me...i'm curious w/ this issue too
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post Dec 16 2007, 12:27 PM

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May I know how loud were u playing to check the tonal differences/noise ? smile.gif
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post Dec 16 2007, 03:18 PM

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Ibanez Series DS low noise instrument cable should serve you right. Its a heavy duty cable an with afortable price. I bought it for RM40+ in Kuching, and I think it should be in store at a cheaper price in KL. thumbup.gif


FEATURES:
·Coaxial - type shielded cable
·Aluminum foil shield under braided shield provides 100% shielding coverage and greater durability.
·Extra flexible PVC wrapped outer jacket.
·Heavy Duty 1/4" plugs.
·Special cable tie included for rapid wrap ups.


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post Dec 16 2007, 04:04 PM

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Yup, agree with the Ibanez cable.

However if you are very rich with a very high budget, just get monster cables tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2007, 04:28 PM

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right now i have 2 cables

a Ki Sound (korean) and a planetwaves

u can get Ki Sound(which is gold plated) at Woh Fatt for about 50 bucks for 10 feet.

My planetwaves i bought in singapore tongue.gif (gold plated also) for RM50 after conversion

I dont really hear much difference, to me as long as they are gold plated and have a brand than im ok already
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post Dec 16 2007, 06:34 PM

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hijacking thread. where can i get dimarzio cables in KL? need some tough cables for gigs. planet wave keeps failing me
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post Dec 16 2007, 07:02 PM

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I use planet waves cables. Dont get those colourful or china brand cables, they only last a couple of months before hissing badly. My planet waves cables have been with me for a couple of years already without any problems.
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post Dec 16 2007, 07:21 PM

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good sounding is a thing, long lasting is another

i've read a lot about cables that sounds good but starts to fail after a couple of months
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post Dec 16 2007, 07:35 PM

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echobrainproject : in JS music, once saw a Dimarzio Vai cable for around 450 and a yngwie cable for aroud 250, they shud hav other varieties...

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post Dec 16 2007, 07:36 PM

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eeerrrmm..
noob here..
y guitar cable oso got so many kinds??
got difference??
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post Dec 16 2007, 08:00 PM

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using fender cable for years, very nice, the finish at the "head" was nicely sealed, and allow some bent.. go get it !
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post Dec 16 2007, 08:01 PM

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Yeah, JS Music has a bunch of DiMarzio cables.

I'm slowly switching to Monster Cable as they have a very low noise ratio and also durable as hell........ If you know how much I torture my equipment, then you should know how I appreciate the strength of the Monster Cable.

But to save cash, I might use DiMarzios for my pedals.
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post Dec 16 2007, 08:50 PM

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wats monster cables?
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post Dec 16 2007, 09:14 PM

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monster cable is somehow the cable used by slash lol .. im using the china made cables .. lol .. its still lasting me for quite a while already .. i've used it since early this year til now .. np at all :s
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post Dec 16 2007, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Dec 16 2007, 08:01 PM)
Yeah, JS Music has a bunch of DiMarzio cables.

I'm slowly switching to Monster Cable as they have a very low noise ratio and also durable as hell........ If you know how much I torture my equipment, then you should know how I appreciate the strength of the Monster Cable.

But to save cash, I might use DiMarzios for my pedals.
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Durable as hell? Looks like I need to get my hands on these tongue.gif

Any local distributor here? Or do I have to order online?
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post Dec 16 2007, 10:48 PM

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Sinamex in Time Square brings them in.
But they are quite expensive........ about RM200-300 for a set.
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post Dec 17 2007, 02:20 AM

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if you can stay away from those rubber sealed heads. Always try to get heads that you can open to fix or resolder broken contacts. Because most broken contacts always happen in the head. I've never had a broken contact in the middle of the cable before.
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post Dec 17 2007, 10:18 AM

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If your lead is not too long, then it wouldn't really matter what brand of cable you use.
Reason is, for long leads lower quality cables tend to have higher capacitance, thus attenuating your high-frequency signals, making your sound muffled. There are some good cables that are oxygen-free etc etc which could help to lower capacitance if you run very long leads from guitar to the amp.

Otherwise, you would be more concerned about the reliability of the cable, especially the jacks. I think the PlanetWaves cables are not too bad, and they even a compression spring jack which ensures that you always ahve a tight connection to the jacks you are connected to. You can even opt for angled heads if you like. The disadvantage is that their jacks are one piece plastic which means you cannot repair them if they are spoiled.

A no name brand cable would work to just make sure the soldering work is done properly and you can always replace the jacks when they are spoiled.

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post Dec 17 2007, 05:23 PM

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capacitance? do u mean impedence? not trying to pick u up but i'm new to guitar scene, so dont confuse me, hehe...
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post Dec 17 2007, 06:46 PM

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So, for acoustic-electric cable, should I buy the good one, or just find a common cable?
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post Dec 17 2007, 06:50 PM

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Never skimp on quality, no matter what you use.
A planet Waves should be fine, but don't get the one with the "noise cut". Just the regular cables will do.
The Noise cut has a button which cuts the tone completely. I had one of those, but it died on me.
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post Dec 17 2007, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(vintec @ Dec 17 2007, 05:23 PM)
capacitance? do u mean impedence? not trying to pick u up but i'm new to guitar scene, so dont confuse me, hehe...
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Impedance includes resistance, inductance and capacitance. I stressed on capacitance because having high capacitance on your cables is like having a low-pass filter between your guitar and the amp, causing your high frequencies to be attenuated.

But if your cables are not that long like I have said, this effect is negligible.
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QUOTE(supercolossal @ Dec 17 2007, 03:03 PM)
Impedance includes resistance, inductance and capacitance.
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i don't get it, so speakers have capacitance too?
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post Dec 19 2007, 07:21 PM

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Actually every electrical connection will have these three properties, it is just a matter of whether they are desirable or not. If not, to what extent they can be tolerated without affecting the sound quality.
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post Dec 20 2007, 02:17 AM

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tue true
hoping to grab the ibanez 96 series cable smile.gif
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post Dec 21 2007, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Dec 17 2007, 06:50 PM)
Never skimp on quality, no matter what you use.
A planet Waves should be fine, but don't get the one with the "noise cut". Just the regular cables will do.
The Noise cut has a button which cuts the tone completely. I had one of those, but it died on me.
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LoL! You torture it?

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I have compare cables before, tone and noise difference. Anyone can expand on this?
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post Dec 21 2007, 02:32 AM

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My cables are really tormented... The head always gets loose after the first week of playing. sweat.gif

Now I am more careful due to $$$
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post Dec 21 2007, 01:15 PM

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I went to jalan pasar to buy cables, heads
Gonna solder them myself =p
My first attempt !!
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post Dec 21 2007, 01:27 PM

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using planet wave rite now.. not really "cost u an arm n leg" kinda price tag, but definetly do better than those cheapo cables. using cheapo cables gav me a lot noice on the connector..
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I torture all my gear. Hey, if it ain't road worthy, why buy them at all.
Ironic because I don't go on the road tongue.gif

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post Dec 21 2007, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(supercolossal @ Dec 17 2007, 10:03 PM)
Impedance includes resistance, inductance and capacitance. I stressed on capacitance because having high capacitance on your cables is like having a low-pass filter between your guitar and the amp, causing your high frequencies to be attenuated.

But if your cables are not that long like I have said, this effect is negligible.
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For those wondering, capacitance is mainly contributed by the type of passive shielding (thickness and material) used. Generally, the thicker the shield the higher the capacitance, which as explained already, is not desirable. However, shields are needed to block out RFI and EMI; the thicker, the more effective. Like everything else, there's always pros and cons.

Anyway, the concept of making a good cable is simple. It's just striking the right balance between the forces that results in impedance (Z). That's where all the mumbo jumbo techincal sh1t starts. An example to the high capacitance problem above would be to attach filter networks, or go for active shielding.

Do note that the guitar cable is generally short length, carries a signal that is limited in frequency range, and is generally not used in electrically noisy environments. That said, I doubt all these theories can be applied.
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QUOTE(C_w_sam @ Dec 21 2007, 01:15 PM)
I went to jalan pasar to buy cables, heads
Gonna solder them myself =p
My first attempt !!
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if ur saying using mic cables
then...hrmm hope u dun mind the noise
my fren use to do tat, until he use a GUITAR cable

lower noise smile.gif
unless ur saying GeorgeL cables haha
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QUOTE(Party2DMax @ Dec 21 2007, 03:40 PM)
For those wondering, capacitance is mainly contributed by the type of passive shielding (thickness and material) used. Generally, the thicker the shield the higher the capacitance, which as explained already, is not desirable. However, shields are needed to block out RFI and EMI; the thicker, the more effective. Like everything else, there's always pros and cons.

Anyway, the concept of making a good cable is simple. It's just striking the right balance between the forces that results in impedance (Z). That's where all the mumbo jumbo techincal sh1t starts. An example to the high capacitance problem above would be to attach filter networks, or go for active shielding.

Do note that the guitar cable is generally short length, carries a signal that is limited in frequency range, and is generally not used in electrically noisy environments. That said, I doubt all these theories can be applied.
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You got it right. Those parasitic effects can be negligible esp on short cables and more so with the limited frequency range from guitar signals. But, some people can hear the difference, and ultimately it's your pocket (and ear) that determines how expensive you cables should be.
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QUOTE(crazychris @ Dec 21 2007, 03:53 PM)
if ur saying using mic cables
then...hrmm hope u dun mind the noise
my fren use to do tat, until he use a GUITAR cable

lower noise smile.gif
unless ur saying GeorgeL cables haha
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Just soldered my cables.
It sounded SO Good !!! Sounds so much "fuller" and buzzing eliminated.
Much better than the "nice" Ibanez cable I'm having now.

It only costed me

4 meter cable = rm 12
2 Audio Jacks = rm 7

plus soldering tools that were pretty cheap

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Was about to buy the Steve Vai signature cables, until I realize they cost more then my monster cables!!!!!!
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post Dec 25 2007, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Dec 16 2007, 08:01 PM)
Yeah, JS Music has a bunch of DiMarzio cables.

I'm slowly switching to Monster Cable as they have a very low noise ratio and also durable as hell........ If you know how much I torture my equipment, then you should know how I appreciate the strength of the Monster Cable.

But to save cash, I might use DiMarzios for my pedals.
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Another added bonus is that they come with a lifetime guarantee laugh.gif or at least that's what my friend tells me. Never managed to save up enough for monsters so I'm on ibanez cables atm
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What? Even cables have signatures??? sleep.gif
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Heck, even the burger god, Yngwie Fjookin' Malmsteen has his own signature cables!
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post Dec 26 2007, 01:01 AM

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yup yup signature series
Vai cables are around 450 while Yngwie half the price

btw wher u guys get the monster cable?
who sells them?
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Dec 25 2007, 08:22 PM)
What? Even cables have signatures??? sleep.gif
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If you make your own cables and sign on the jack head does it count as your own signature cable?
Maybe I can start a line of "insert name here" cables brows.gif

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tats too tiny for people to notice la.. tongue.gif
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post Dec 26 2007, 09:32 AM

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Actually anybody can endorse anything as long as you are famous.
I remember seeing an ad about some special jeans for rockers, and they even have artists that endorse that smile.gif
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This only gave me the impressions that these "artists" are serious moneysuckers...
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It's all about the money. Look at Mustaine......
He switched from ESP to Dean not because ESP made bad guitars, but according to him "Seems like the better business deal"......
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but since mustaine is like a christian redneck...im sure he also felt like going back to true US made stuff tongue.gif

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........and one of his models are Korean made......... nice.
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Eh how come got difference meh?I just use the thickest cable with gold head I can find.Nice to whack people with thick cables...
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whack people??!!
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QUOTE(freakfingers12 @ Dec 26 2007, 12:10 PM)
Eh how come got difference meh?I just use the thickest cable with gold head I can find.Nice to whack people with thick cables...
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thats so much fun when your bandmates are screwing off laugh.gif

Back on topic, which stores in malaysia stock monsters?

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post Dec 26 2007, 10:17 PM

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I think (or more like hope) that Sinamex in Times Square stocks them. They don't come cheap though.

Will most likely get the Monster Rock cables.... like what I'm using now:

http://www.monstercables.com/productdisplay.asp?pin=2307

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sinamex i think have a couple more monster cables for electrics...somewhere in the region of RM200 each...forgot how long.
and i think thats gonna be the last you'll ever see of them there unless you special order.
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If not, will probably get some average ones, wait for my trip to US next year and buy back a whole bunch of them.
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post Dec 27 2007, 12:59 AM

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if balck trix reli buying,
i can order a monster bass cable from u?
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post Dec 27 2007, 07:24 AM

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post Dec 27 2007, 10:06 AM

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il put a reminder den haha smile.gif monster cables!!! yippee!!!
using ibanez series96 for now
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The best cable I ever had is a Bespeco Viper. The have super fat ends you know where the plug is attached to the cable itself, no way you can ever break them. You could tow a car with a Bespeco cable, the salesman told me =D I still have and use one that I bought when I started playing in my first band years ago. They come in kinky colors too, red, green, purple etc. I have no idea if you can get Bespeco stuff in M'sia but I certainly would recommend them! Sound quality wise..there's no difference in cables except for the thin chinese RM10 cables. It's 99% about the pickups etc, and the grounding. If the place you play in has bad sockets then there's buzz in everything and so on.

 

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