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liverpool
post Dec 26 2007, 11:50 AM

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My list of bank rating will go something like this:
1. Citibank - overall fast, attentive & efficient
2. HSBC - overall efficient and OK service
3. Standard chartered - Ok so far, seldom deal with them.
4. Public bank - OK, but during peak time when too many customers, their front desk not as responding (in PC term, like hitting into a blue screen).
5. AmBank - OK. I commend that she open on Sunday.
6. RHB - so so lah. I want to cancel credit card ask me to return the card.
7. CIMB - Ask me to open account in area where I stay, not so pleasant experience.
7. MayBank - Too many customer causes long queue, wasting my time/life.
8. BSN - All the bad from MYB, PLUS not efficient.

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post Dec 26 2007, 12:46 PM

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i think most banks would want us to open our accounts near our home or office. so they normally require your utility bills if your ic not same address as mailing address. if near office then they require your business card etc.

so, cant really blame cimb in the case above.
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QUOTE(mrcloud9 @ Dec 26 2007, 11:11 AM)
go ahead list it here. i think we are open to both good and bad customer service here.
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Ok, BAD experience... quite long, as I try to put in the details.

(1) [U]StanChart M1 Housing Loan[/U] couple of years ago.

Every mth, statement comes. One fine day, the statement comes with an additional RM2k+ deduction, with just a single line stating "Interest Payment" or something like that. Just 2-3 words only. blink.gif Panic, so forgot whether wrote a letter/email or call up, i think walk-in to Jln Ampang 1st floor. Request for details on it, the customer service can't find the answer and fill up details for further request. Go home.

Within <2 weeks, receive letter from bank stating they will check/investigate and get back to me within <3 weeks from the letter date. Ok, fine with me. thumbup.gif

>3 weeks = no news. smile.gif

4th week = no news. sad.gif Again, write letter to bank, refer case number, bla bla bla, asking for details.

6th week = no news. mad.gif

8th week = no news. vmad.gif

By this time, I figured out what went wrong. I have an extensive Excel sheet created by me to track and trace my home loan + interest. S&C charged me lower daily rest interest monthly for the past >1 yr. Which accumulates to RM2k+ after 1-1.5 yrs. Imagine how the ppl or system do the calculation until can't trace the error >1 yr. Don't they close account/audit check every 1mth/yr ? shakehead.gif

Anyway, I didn't inform the bank on what I found out. It's the bank to inform me what goes right/wrong to charge me RM2k+ as per the monthly statement. Two months, and S&C didn't provide any answer at all !!! rclxub.gif

So, I check around, and decide to lodge a complaint to Bank Negara (BNM), stating clearly S&C charge me RM2k+ but cannot provide me with details on it, providing proof of submission 2 mths ago. Even the BNM official is surprise no action taken in 2 mths.

Break : Advertisement ... you think this is bad/funny ? LOL, not yet, read more below rclxms.gif



BNM send an official letter to S&C, cc me, requesting the bank to investigate and come back within 2/3 weeks. This is getting serious, as BNM is like judge/court over the banking/insurance in M'sia.

Within <2 weeks, S&C comes back to BNM & me. At last, someone or some ppl are starting to work on it. I think they sort of starting to find out the reason, after spending how many nights going through >1 year of daily rest calculation, etc. What they provide is just a table or chart on the summary of monthly amount missed out.

I told BNM, not good enough, no details on each monthly figure. BNM agrees and help me chased S&C. The BNM official are kind enough to call me up once every week for status update.

Finally, after another 2 weeks (total 3 mths from the day i lodge complaint to S&C) rclxub.gif they come up with the full details that I wanted and tally with my Excel calculation. BNM is happy also with the details, to close the case. I'm alright with it.



Break : Advertisement ... So, you think happy ending ? Not yet... more to come. Continue reading... shocking.gif


This is where things started to go under the sea... after rolling downhill for 3 mths. rclxub.gif

S&C decides to send me updated monthly statement, from 3 mths ago. The customer service then decides to fax to me. What I received is another M1 bank statement a/c... of another person. blink.gif doh.gif A lady whose condo in Tmn Tun (next to VADS building or ex-IBM) with complete name, address, loan amount, loan balance, monthly payment, etc. Only missing is her tel no. sweat.gif

So, with this stack of statements, I call up S&C CS and told them I got the wrong statements. They say "oh... we'll fax to you again. BTW, pls tear and throw the statement wrongly faxed to you."

I was like -> blink.gif *duh* C'mon, you want me to lodge another complain to BNM ? shocking.gif That your ppl send wrong P&C info to me, and just ask me to tear it up ? Anyway, after thinking for some time, I didn't take further action. Pity the CS which might be fired/suspended. After all, I get tired of this game and would like to get on with my life....


That's the 1st bad experience (and longest), more to come... rolleyes.gif


liverpool
post Dec 26 2007, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(mrcloud9 @ Dec 26 2007, 12:46 PM)
i think most banks would want us to open our accounts near our home or office. so they normally require your utility bills if your ic not same address as mailing address. if near office then they require your business card etc.

so, cant really blame cimb in the case above.
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Honestly speaking, I don't know there is such a ruling before that incident.

But the problem is, it is CIMB itself asking me to go that particular branch open an account !
One of its house loan/credit officer (I think he is from KL) ask me to go there and only there to open. (But too bad, I didn't note down his name and contact before going there naively).

I know there are other branch near my place, but I got to take the trouble travel thru half of town to go there.
So I am freakingly mad about CIMB at that moment.

My case get escalerted up to their senior, supervisor n manager, only then resolve and my application get processed. Damp, wasting my time.
My point is, why the hell I need to explain the case to 3 diff persons at diff level before getting thru ?

Anyway, this is just my experience.


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post Dec 26 2007, 10:13 PM

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I be honest with you, some times customer service can't meet demand because too many customers.
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post Dec 27 2007, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Dec 26 2007, 10:13 PM)
I be honest with you, some times customer service can't meet demand because too many customers.
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Agree, especially peak hours, or month begin/end (salary out, pay bills, transfer out, etc.)

However, not err until becomes unacceptable.


Added on December 28, 2007, 11:21 amok, my 2nd case:

MBB turn pulak... cool2.gif

I used to have a classic CC from them, collected 63k+ points. Went to Cust Service at KL Main (Menara Maybank) to link it up with another MBB CC + other a/c, so I can view all in M2u.

After several days, I can see all linked up, but the points not transfered. So I call up and enquire, they will look into it.

2 weeks = nothing sad.gif

3 weeks = nothing mad.gif

4 weeks = I'm getting pretty bad luck with banks... vmad.gif

Went to SS2 MBB (previously next to KFC) and I think they ask me to fill up the d@mn form again to link up. WTF... already link up wat ? doh.gif

Anyway... after another 1 week, still nothing... wrote an official letter to Maybank. Give them chance first. My 2nd letter will again... cc BNM.

Well, it works. Ppl start working again. Within <1 week, 63k+ points is shown in my M2u. thumbup.gif

Problem solved. rclxms.gif

But wait... by the end of first week, another 33k+ points is credited to me again. blink.gif

The next week, another 28k+ points is credited. blink.gif blink.gif

This means, I have a total of >120k+ points balance. shocking.gif

Ok, I left the points there as it is... hell, no way I'm gonna inform them. Let them find it out through their own internal/external/whatever audit.

... 1 week turns to 1 mth

... 1 mth turns to 1 yr

... 1 yr turns to 2 yrs

By now, I'm pretty safe to say... our local banks & external auditors sucks. What happens after this on the CC points... I let you all guess... whistling.gif



This post has been edited by cute_boboi: Dec 28 2007, 11:21 AM
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post Jan 3 2008, 03:45 PM

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gosh! some people are really unfortunate with banks huh? i wonder why public bank isnt in the poll? its service is superb.
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post Jan 3 2008, 11:41 PM

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Haha maybank truly sucks
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post Jan 5 2008, 11:48 PM

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generally speaking, cimb is improving a lot compared to the bcb days. even their call centre is efficient. i dont like maybank because the call centre sometimes it takes hours before youre able to speak to call centre exec.
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post Jan 6 2008, 01:26 PM

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as far as I know, some call centers are efficient because they just answer calls.

While some, the call center exec actually does the work for the customer on the spot including filing documents
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post Jan 6 2008, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Dec 27 2007, 10:20 AM)
Agree, especially peak hours, or month begin/end (salary out, pay bills, transfer out, etc.)

However, not err until becomes unacceptable.


Added on December 28, 2007, 11:21 amok, my 2nd case:

MBB turn pulak...  cool2.gif

I used to have a classic CC from them, collected 63k+ points. Went to Cust Service at KL Main (Menara Maybank) to link it up with another MBB CC + other a/c, so I can view all in M2u.

After several days, I can see all linked up, but the points not transfered. So I call up and enquire, they will look into it.

2 weeks = nothing  sad.gif

3 weeks = nothing  mad.gif

4 weeks = I'm getting pretty bad luck with banks...  vmad.gif

Went to SS2 MBB (previously next to KFC) and I think they ask me to fill up the d@mn form again to link up. WTF... already link up wat ?  doh.gif

Anyway... after another 1 week, still nothing... wrote an official letter to Maybank. Give them chance first. My 2nd letter will again... cc BNM.

Well, it works. Ppl start working again. Within <1 week, 63k+ points is shown in my M2u.  thumbup.gif

Problem solved.  rclxms.gif

But wait... by the end of first week, another 33k+ points is credited to me again.  blink.gif

The next week, another 28k+ points is credited.  blink.gif  blink.gif

This means, I have a total of >120k+ points balance.  shocking.gif

Ok, I left the points there as it is... hell, no way I'm gonna inform them. Let them find it out through their own internal/external/whatever audit.

... 1 week turns to 1 mth

... 1 mth turns to 1 yr

... 1 yr turns to 2 yrs

By now, I'm pretty safe to say... our local banks & external auditors sucks. What happens after this on the CC points... I let you all guess... whistling.gif
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brother, it's not external auditor la... but internal auditors. external auditor is just responsible on Financial statement aspects only.

while is the internal auditor who check on their operation and control. but hor, this tidy amount of CC point to a bank is nothing lol... whistling.gif

Immaterial sweat.gif

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post Jan 7 2008, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Jan 6 2008, 04:17 PM)
brother, it's not external auditor la... but internal auditors. external auditor is just responsible on Financial statement aspects only.

while is the internal auditor who check on their operation and control. but hor, this tidy amount of CC point to a bank is nothing lol...  whistling.gif

Immaterial  sweat.gif
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yes, 60k+ points to some ppl are immaterial, but to others, might mean something wink.gif

Anyhow, the points are enough to exchange for a set of diningware retailing RM300-400+ in Jusco. wink.gif

Also, although it is just points, but for banking, this is a big no-no when they are dealing with money.



Ok, there are a few more cases, but let me relate 3rd case first... which happened recently.

SCB again doh.gif

Ok, time to do another annual EPF withdrawal to reduce the housing loan. EPF is declaring around 4.5-5.5%, while my M1 home loan interest hovers around 5.5-6.0%.

1) Went to bank to request 2 sets of bank loan balance letter for joint EPF withdrawal. Charge me RM50 shakehead.gif for 2 sets. Received within 10 days. No problem. thumbup.gif

2) Then only realised I don't have any original/certified Bank Offer Letter for the loan. Nevermind, I have plenty of time. Went again to request for it. Another RM50 fly... shakehead.gif

Problem #1
1 week... ok smile.gif

2 weeks = sad.gif

3 weeks = mad.gif I'm getting pretty bad luck with banks...

4 weeks = vmad.gif lodge a complaint to SCB. The support fellow just push the case to Jln Ampang branch. After 3 more days, I taruh the fellow... and within 2 hours, a call from Jln Ampang to ask me pickup the letter.

Problem #2
duh! blink.gif I specifically ask/fill up in the form to have the 2 sets of offer letter to send to my home postal address. Told this nicely to the person. Ok, settled. Letter receive within 3 days.

Problem #3
Happily open up the envelope and found only 1 set attached. vmad.gif vmad.gif

Lodge another complain to SCB, and ask them to either:
(a) Send the other 1 set offer letter, or
(b) refund me RM25 (which I think they prefer not to...)

Within <3 days, another call from Jln Ampang. That's when Problem #4 happens

"Sir, you can come to collect the 2 sets of offer letter from our Jln Ampang branch"

My response looking at the phone... blink.gif and this is what I told them:

"(1) I specifically ask/fill in the form to have it send to my home address"
"(2) I have already received 1 set, and I'm missing 2nd set, I don't need 2 sets now. bla bla bla... you know the cr@p, refer above. Please only send me 1 set, and not 2 sets now. 2nd, don't charge me additional RM25/50 or whatever... please make sure."

Another 2 days, and I received the 2nd set of offer letter. Finally... icon_rolleyes.gif Submitted joint withdrawal at EPF last week. thumbup.gif

Hope I don't get Problem #5 from SCB, which is multiple charge for Bank Offer Letter. The amount should be RM50. Not RM25 or RM75 or RM100. I'm going to monitor my statement next month. If it is not exactly RM50... BNM, here I come again... whistling.gif



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post Jan 12 2008, 01:47 PM

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SCB is standard chartered ah?
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post Jan 12 2008, 04:52 PM

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actually, that's one of the beauracratic thing I don't like regards to EPF withdrawal. A few months back I also went to do the withdrawal, as a matter of fact, this is my 3rd withdrawal: 1st time when buy house, 2nd time 2 years ago.

They want to see the S&P doc. Why the hell they still need to see it ?

to make sure I didn't sell the house? That's not the way, I am still serving the loan, this is obvious with the letter from the bank, and the property is charged to the bank (with private caveat, is that the right term ?) and without the bank consent it I won't be allowed to dispose the property.
Yes, somemore want to see the loan offer letter. I really can't figure any clue which make any sense to me, besides just helping the photocopy industry and helps chopping more trees.
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Direct Access customer service is lying to me... vmad.gif vmad.gif

today, call to activate my card. whose know it's not activated.

causing me the phone call cost.

only after the 3nd CS is the good CS...

sigh... why my calls is handled by the bad CS.... giving me fake statement.

1st CS, i was calling to activated my card. she asked, which card want to activate? since i got visa and master, i only choose to activate master card only.

she said after 1 hour then only can use the card.

when back to home, im register the secure e-pay. whose know it's state: pls enter valid credit card.

then call the 2nd CS.

He said, since my card is new im only can register for the master secure e-pay tomolo after 8am.

ok i believed.

so after tht, go to reload my Touch n Go card using my new DA card. whose know the transaction is rejected.
the cashier said, transaction do not honour.

sigh...

call the DA CS again.

she checked for me. saying my cards is not yet activated. so i told her my 1st call situation. and she said normally activation is for both cards. if im wish to cancel my visa card, i can write in to tell them.

since she doing the activation for me, she said i can use it immediately and also can register immdiately.

finally back to home, i can register secure e-pay. well done 3rd CS.

too bad, there is Good CS and Bad CS.
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post Jan 25 2008, 02:39 AM

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why you all rate maybank so high?
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Ok, update on 3rd Case: SCB did not charge me extra. So, no problem #5 thumbup.gif



QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Jan 12 2008, 01:47 PM)
SCB is standard chartered ah?
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nod.gif StanChart Bank


Added on January 25, 2008, 6:06 pm
QUOTE(liverpool @ Jan 12 2008, 04:52 PM)
actually, that's one of the beauracratic thing I don't like regards to EPF withdrawal.  A few months back I also went to do the withdrawal, as a matter of fact, this is my 3rd withdrawal: 1st time when buy house, 2nd time 2 years ago.

They want to see the S&P doc.  Why the hell they still need to see it ?

to make sure I didn't sell the house? That's not the way, I am still serving the loan, this is obvious with the letter from the bank, and the property is charged to the bank (with private caveat, is that the right term ?) and without the bank consent it I won't be allowed to dispose the property.
Yes, somemore want to see the loan offer letter.  I really can't figure any clue which make any sense to me, besides just helping the photocopy industry and helps chopping more trees.
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Totally agree with you.

My 4th Case: EPF
Maybe me myself has a lot of complaint... tongue.gif

Yes, first EPF withdrawal, they need the everything, S&P, Facilities, Offer Letter, etc. 2 sets if joint purchase. Even worse if 2nd house EPF withdrawal, the previous house S&P, RPGT, etc.

Since I manage to withdraw successfully in 2005/06 for this house, I was wondering why they need the whole set of papers too. But the lady at counter (somewhere 33-40 at EPF Jln Raja Laut) says need everything. So I run from A to B to C to collect everything. This is where Case #3 happens.

After 3rd time to EPF, another lady finally check my documents, and start pulling out all the redundant documents. Finally manged to submit and I left with half the stack of photocopied documents I came with, and wasted time to collect all the documents. mad.gif


Added on January 25, 2008, 6:08 pm
QUOTE(DDSFan8 @ Jan 25 2008, 02:39 AM)
why you all rate maybank so high?
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I find M2u website services suits me very well. Plan and simple, unlike citibank website which has a lot of graphics and slows down. Security wise, I'm fine with M2u, maybe not as secure as citibank (keyboard logging, etc.)

No comment on MBB front-counter...


This post has been edited by cute_boboi: Jan 25 2008, 06:08 PM
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post Jan 25 2008, 10:12 PM

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i prefer alliance bank for check processing
when i process more then 30 checks the machine is fast at counter

alike public bank u gotta use the ATM style machine and enter one by one
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Update on EPF:

As usual, the internal EPF is very efficient. Got my cheque within 2-3 weeks. Already bank in. Now my outstanding balance is <RM200 sweat.gif yes, less than two hundred ringgit outstanding only. blush.gif

Next month plus interest will balloon up to RM300+. But I plan to dump in another RM300. Therefore, from Feb onwards, my monthly interest will be <RM10 brows.gif

In the meantime, searching for other investment (except unit trust).


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MAybank is suck. make me wait for a long time.

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