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kenneths88
post Aug 22 2013, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(kueks @ Aug 22 2013, 07:53 PM)
have u work in hotels or any hospitality related industries b4 ?
guess not based on ur reply
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I studied Hotel Management. Currently working in Genting.
Can explain why is it not related to hospitality industry? o.O
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post Aug 22 2013, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(kueks @ Aug 22 2013, 07:24 PM)
those are like basic things where u don need to study hospitality in order to know ... financial accounting ??? like credit debit ? the course teach u economics.. marketing too right... but all oso basics... not in depth

its like saying you study KOREAN language... after the course doesnt make u expert in korean language... just the basic hi bye stuffs

i taught few new staff to use OPERA .. they don have  backgrounds.. no cert nothing....fresh from high school... and they are doing good now... the opera they teach u in hospitality are again... basics... u learn more by working 1 month than studying 1 sem to "learn" opera
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Yeah, if you plan on taking 20 years or more to get into managerial position then you don't need a degree.

But I have already done a six-month paid internship in Switzerland earning CHF1,800 a month after taxes, and now preparing myself for a second paid-internship, hopefully in Front Office.

This is something I can only achieve by studying Hospitality Management.

If you want to be an all-round manager, you need to know the basics my friend.
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Hi, is Berjaya degree in culinary arts management good? compare to KDU , Taylor and Sunway, Which is better?
Berjaya university is very nice, how about the quality of teaching? and their recognition compare to other! wink.gif After diploma go get working experience or continue degree is much better?

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Is there minimum requirements for Culinary Arts Diploma? Because i plan to major in Pastry and from Berjaya Uni Coll is 2 year + intern but i found some coll is only 9 mths.....


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post Sep 12 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(kueks @ Aug 22 2013, 07:24 PM)
those are like basic things where u don need to study hospitality in order to know ... financial accounting ??? like credit debit ? the course teach u economics.. marketing too right... but all oso basics... not in depth

its like saying you study KOREAN language... after the course doesnt make u expert in korean language... just the basic hi bye stuffs

i taught few new staff to use OPERA .. they don have  backgrounds.. no cert nothing....fresh from high school... and they are doing good now... the opera they teach u in hospitality are again... basics... u learn more by working 1 month than studying 1 sem to "learn" opera
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QUOTE(kenneths88 @ Aug 22 2013, 07:43 PM)
Support u.
If you think having a cert for Hotel Management is useless, then you are wrong.
Like what PS3 says, those cert are preparing us for Managerial position.

Which means, without a cert, stay urself with low level position for another 10 years (Front Office Assistant or if you are lucky - Assistant Manager) & looking at your juniors, getting promoted to manager.

Like what you say, we may only learn basic in financial accounting. But, did you forget? Why do we study financial accounting? It is totally unrelated to our work. Let me tell you, when we are managers, we need to know every bit n pieces of things that happen in your department. It's not like, if I'm a Front Office Manager, i don't need to give a f  to those accounting work. With basics, we could absorb faster.

Yes, in terms of promotion, still depends on experience or seniority.
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I believe both of you dont know who is kueks?
He is one of my early senior. working in hospitality industry for few years

Honestly, due to Hospitality require lots of technical and skill, learning processes doesnt take long and constantly performing it you will get it, as it OPERA system it is crafted by people it is mean for user-friendly not complication.

You learn finances, Accounting, Economy, Marketing. What is the purpose? Those knowledge is basic, School teach you in order for you to get ready for the real world outside.

You all forgot, getting certification is a stepping stone to the outside world. It is that, and that is no other value once you jump onto few organization, they are looking at personality and experience. Organization review your certification and do comparison with others. In reality, you are nothing but the same as the those without cert once you just joined any organization. What make you special is you can progress faster then them depending on performance. We are talking real world. dont expect high salary when you got your ceritfication

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post Sep 12 2013, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 12 2013, 11:44 AM)
I believe both of you dont know who is kueks?
He is one of my early senior. working in hospitality industry for few years

Honestly, due to Hospitality require lots of technical and skill, learning processes doesnt take long and constantly performing it you will get it, as it OPERA system it is crafted by people it is mean for user-friendly not complication.

You learn finances, Accounting, Economy, Marketing. What is the purpose? Those knowledge is basic, School teach you in order for you to get ready for the real world outside.

You all forgot, getting certification is a stepping stone to the outside world. It is that, and that is no other value once you jump onto few organization, they are looking at personality and experience. Organization review your certification and do comparison with others. In reality, you are nothing but the same as the those without cert once you just joined any organization. What make you special is you can progress faster then them depending on performance. We are talking real world. dont expect high salary when you got your ceritfication
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Ok. Let me share you an experience.

My nephew, currently around 40 years old, and a front office manager of xx hotel.

Previously when he is an assistant manager, his highest education is only SPM.
Company doesn't allow him to get promoted with that education level. That's where he took some part time studies for those certificates.
**He jump from hotel to hotel as an Assistant Manager.

You get what I mean? If you just want to stay on A.Manager level for another 40 years, you can just stay where you are. But if you are aiming higher, you need higher education.

Even if there is a few Front Office Managers out there with SPM education level, only a few, and it won't be international companies(hotel) or those big companies.

Oh ya. Salary based, ya they are the same, with or without certificate. What I actually emphasizing is Managerial level - Managers, Senior Manager, Vice President... smile.gif

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QUOTE(kenneths88 @ Sep 12 2013, 12:59 PM)
Ok. Let me share you an experience.

My nephew, currently around 40 years old, and a front office manager of xx hotel.

Previously when he is an assistant manager, his highest education is only SPM.
Company doesn't allow him to get promoted with that education level. That's where he took some part time studies for those certificates.
**He jump from hotel to hotel as an Assistant Manager.

You get what I mean? If you just want to stay on A.Manager level for another 40 years, you can just stay where you are. But if you are aiming higher, you need higher education.

Even if there is a few Front Office Managers out there with SPM education level, only a few, and it won't be international companies(hotel) or those big companies.
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I didn't say its useless. Didn't u read my post? I said it is to aid u for promotion. If u aint performing u still the same than other non certificate employee got what I mean hmm?
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I think what kuek trying to say is cost effective. Investing money into this cost and the return of it investment is not as good as other courses?
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post Sep 12 2013, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 12 2013, 01:08 PM)
I didn't say its useless. Didn't u read my post? I said it is to aid u for promotion. If u aint performing u still the same than other non certificate employee got what I mean hmm?
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Haha ok sorry if i offended you. My apology >.<
Actually my point is to tell people that is is not totally useless. Still have it's useful point.

Like what kueks says, "a cert in hotel is useless". So i couldnt actually 100% accept it. smile.gif

QUOTE(kueks @ Jan 21 2013, 12:48 AM)
1st of all

really love working in hotel ? serving customers everyday?

to be frank. a cert in hotel is useless. 99% of the subjects u study in so called hotel management also useless.

don waste ur money to study hotel management~~ better save the money... straight work in hotel (whichever dept u like ) and start gaining experience.

btw which dept u would like to join in hotel ? my current hotel has few openings if u would like to try whistling.gif
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 12 2013, 01:13 PM)
I think what kuek trying to say is cost effective. Investing money into this cost and the return of it investment is not as good as other courses?
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Ok acceptable I guess smile.gif Peace whistling.gif

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Can someone know knows about culinary arts colleges tell me more? As in, what's the difference between culinary in KDU, berjaya, Taylor's and le Cordon Bleu?Other than the pprice, why do people take courses in kdu, berjaya and Taylor's more than in cordon bleu? And from what I know, cordon bleu is 9 months fully hands on. Why don't you take that instead of 2 years plus studying moral studies etc?
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I am wondering which university should I choose to study for my major:BSc (Hons) International Hospitality Management.I am considering Taylor's or sunway's. Which one is better about facilities, teachers and enviroment...Thank you so much.By the way, I am not rich and I want to work in my country when I graduate

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Is INTI diploma/degree in culinary arts good?
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Hi, anyone know is there any scholarship for Diploma in Culinary Art and continue to Degree for SPM leaver? I got 10As
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QUOTE(4896la @ Mar 25 2014, 10:17 PM)
Hi, anyone know is there any scholarship for Diploma in Culinary Art and continue to Degree for SPM leaver? I got 10As
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Check Taylors, KDU, Sunway, check their website, usually they will offered the scholarship for straight A students. unsure.gif
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If anyone needs to get into a RD&A position - fresh grad from degree in food sci or related field, there's quite many openings for them.

You can PM for more info.
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Hi, is it anybody study food science here? How is this course?
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