Im getting a 2nd guitar for this christmas and this is what I'm interested

Ibanez RG321MH
It seems fine but the only problem with it is that in black(I dont really fancy the grains popping out) and blue.I want the mahogany oil finish.

Ibanez RGR321EX
Looks great but basswood?I dunno,but is it okay for metal?

Ibanez SA160QM
The HSS pups are making me think twice.I've the impression that HSS are not good enough for metal .This guitar has EMG Designed bridge pup.Is that a plus?Is it fine for metal?

Epiphone Les Paul Classic
How is it?I heard many people complaining bout under Elite Series epiphones.

Epiphone Les Paul Standard(2002 model)
I can get it,but it's the alder+mahogany model.I've tested it,but it didn't have that kinda crunch.I guess that just because I tried it thru a lousy amp.I'll try it again later

Jackson RR3
I'd love this but I don't have enough money for one of these.To continue saving,I'll have to wait till next year.Worth it?

Ibanez Dunno-what-RG 7 string.MIJ with FR.
Saw this in the local music store,and I think it's MIJ or maybe what the salesgirl meant was it's bought from japan 2nd hand.

Ibanez RG with wilkinson bridge loaded with V7 V8
I dunno the model yet,I'll ask tonight.What's so special bout the wilkinson?

Ibanez RGT42
The neck's broken but it's fixed already.Comes with an Edge III.I know that bridge sucks but the price's cheap.

So which one should I get?I know I should save up for the RR3 but I have NO guitar now.And yes,I'm gonna get a new amp to replace my Laney HCM10 after I get my guitar.I'm pretty interested in the SA160 but it's just the HSS issue and the Les Paul Classic but I think it has a rather fat neck.Thanks for the help.

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Added on December 3, 2007, 6:25 pmI'll appreciate it too if you have anything in mind that you wanna recommend.

This post has been edited by freakfingers12: Dec 3 2007, 06:25 PM

The RGT42 woudld be my choice

But how can H-S-S pups not be for metal..?

And EMG = Metal kao kao

But seriously, from ur list.. I would go for the Jackson RR3 if I have the budget.

Basswood... Depends la, what is your definition of metal.
Most of the "metal players" use Alder or Mahogany/maple top from what I notice.


Merry Xmas..

So many to choose from. I don't know jack about most of the Ibanezes you listed there but I reckon the SA with SSH are pretty cool, can play metal no problem, they're probably more versatile too.

But if I got the money, I'll get the RR3 with Duncans.

well..pretty obvious for me ..

lets just say..all the guitars you listed above..are at the same price range ..(accept for RR3) ..

means its roughly ...1000-1500 ?

the answer would be .........
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Ibanez Made In Japan 7 stringer ....

2nd hand also canot get at that price...

anyway , whats wrong with basswood ..i thought alot of modern metal bands uses ibanez ...(basswood)

HSS combo..you can always change your single coil to a single coil sized humbucker

I find the most appealing to me is the RR3...
I know first hand because it's a GREAT metal axe.

I think the RR3 is the most awesome guitar,but the Ibanez RGT42 also good.

Maybe you should get the RR3,and change the pickup to EMG 81.That should be enough to play metal.

Actually, the loaded JB/Jazz combo is pretty awesome for metal.
Just ask Bullet for my Valentine.

Alder bodied guitars with EMG81 sounds horrible, to my ears to be fair. I'm no big fan of actives, so it might be me.

I dunno lah,the Ibanez RGT42 got crack before and has the Edge III bridge. I'm only afraid that the crack with sorta like weaken the neck and might break it in future.I dunno bout the Edge III.I heard that Edge III sucks bad.

I like the RR3 too,but I have to still save up till next year to get one and right now I dont have any guitar to play.

how about a Jackson Dinky? They sound amazing as well......

like this:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jac...itar?sku=512239

Jackson Dinky DXMB...... EMG HZs, Floyd, 24 frets, alder body and maple neck

This post has been edited by blacktrix: Dec 4 2007, 09:54 AM

Nah,the dinky's outta my price range unless someone wants to sell one to me cheap XD


Anyway,I'll admit it,I hate the feel of les pauls.That leaves me with

RGR321EX
I like the way the RGR looks,but it only comes with black and blue and I read that the RG321MH is much better.

RG321MH
Not much of a looker,but I heard that it's highly recommended for heavier genres.

SA160QM
Right now,I'm thinking about getting this instead of the RGs.Wise choice?
I'll most probably pop some duncans or emgs in them though.

Speaking of the RG321MH ... If you ever gonna try that one out , make sure you try it with the RGR321EX (which is in the same range, fixed bridge RGs) .. You'll notice how 'thin' the supposedly mahogany bodied RG321MH sounds, and the "Mahogany" body of the RG321MH is so light.

Even the Basswood RGR321EX feels/sounds more solid than the RG321MH.. Weird.

Really makes me wonder what kinda "Mahogany" body is the Made-in-Indonesia RG321MH having? Read that nowadays certain guitar manufacturers normally will just use Agathis wood and just label it as Mahogany, because it doesn't really matter much to them already, especially when they produce low-end guitars.

I personally think the RG321MH from the U.S. Ibanez website is the real deal, although I haven't tried that one out before.


And if you throw in some duncan/EMG into the SA160QM, it will BURN. .. Literally.

where did u see the MIJ ibanez 7 string?

You see,I'm not so sure if it's MIJ or not because the salesgirl abit blur.Anyways,it's in Malacca,syarikat daniel around melaka raya area.

among all those...
my pick would be the RR3.

also for Ibanez RG with wilkinson bridge loaded with V7 V8.
wilkinson what first? and what happened to the original?

the SA160 is ok, but the designed by EMG pickup is a piece of crap.
its basically the same level as EMG Select...ie. USD20 pickups.

and from your list also...i guess you're confused? since you have a list of fixed and trem guitars there.

LP also can be made into metal...hetfield, trivium, slayer...
and mine

Or mine

Woah,nice collection.Anyways,I've decided to get the SA160 and dump in some EMGs or SDs.Most probably SDs though.I did consider getting a guitar with FR but with my price range,they'll probably suck.I guess my 4th guitar will be an RR3 or if I have the cash,RR5 or maybe some sorta Razorback.

lol @ guitar hero 3 controller
i'd go with the RR3 though.

This post has been edited by SweetTooth: Dec 4 2007, 01:40 PM

Hey,
pick RR3 if u gonna metal. LOL
I went to Bentley with RG1570 in mind, but ended up not buying that one bcos the sound is simply not as good as RR3 (pickups big difference).
Whats your budget actually? RGR321EX is ok, i have tested one too but maybe need to change PUPs if u want better sound. However, dont forget amps...get a decent one if possible. hehe

Whoa. Very badass looking guitars you guys have. Nice sofas too

Cannot leh,the RR3 too high for my budget.I'm going for the SA160 because it's versatile and pretty

FYI, the SA160 doesn't have 24 frets, just 22. But it's a damn versatile and light guitar......

If you're changing the pickups, might I suggest DiMarzios?
the Evolution are a great pickup for the S series.

BTW, I can't seem to find any information on the SA160 on Ibanez's official website...... mind filling us on the details?

The SA160 is discontinued adi.It features mahogany body,HSS,SAT30 bridge.

DiMarzios are active pups right?I dunno,but I guess EMGs are outta my list.They don't sound as chunka chunka in SS amps.Is that true?

btw, about mahogany.
ie. on that RG321 or SA160.
just cos it has mahogany does not mean its going to sound full.
remember the LP was also one big thick ass slab of mahogany, that helps to give it the tone too...
whereas the ibanez is one thin ass piece of thing that loosely can be called wood

Yeah,I tried the LP but I personally didn't like the feel.Hard to admit because I really love the tone and looks of the LP.I'd take feel over tone.

i dunno about SA's neck...but i've tried SZ...and the epi neck isnt that far off.

Nope. The DiMarzio Evolution are Passive........ but quite alot of punch.

Oh, and who says EMGs arn't good with solid state???

i'm an EMG person, but dimarzio x2n is pretty good for passive. has a ton of punch. or you can try an invader, also passive.
if you wanna give passive emg's a try, go for hz-h4. i'm using them now

Methinks that you should go either for high-power DiMarzios (Evolution, X2N etc) or active EMGs (81, 85, 89). Stay away from the passive EMGs (no offence, SweetTooth! ) if you're looking for that high-output sound.

Well, like Everdying said, the LP sounds like that because it's one big slab of mahogany, whereas the SA is a thin slab.

But with good EQ and good gain I'm sure you can get bone-crushing tone from the SA. (Although maybe in a direct A/B comparison, the LP will most likely sound fuller.)

Personally, I'd take feel over tone too. I think a guitar that's comfortable and nice to play with goes a long way compared to one with "better" tone. Remember, you're not going to get a Gibson LP with to-die-for tone at that price range!

(Ok ok, I admit, I detest the LP! Probably as much as Everdying detests the RG! )

but you also detest the RG right?
else you're not a jackson fan
time to hide

7: Thou shalt not ask ?I like X?s tone, what pickups does he use??.

If you like said player?s tone, getting his amp will get you 95% of the way there. THEN get the pickups, and it should make up the last 5% (if your guitar is made of the same wood). Also, related to this commandment: PLEASE STOP LOOKING AT EMG?S IF YOU HAVE A PRACTICE AMP, THEY?LL ONLY SOUND HOW YOU EXPECT IF YOU HAVE A MESA RECTO, OR SIMILAR ALL-TUBE, DARK-VOICED, HIGH GAIN AMP. If you have such an amp, be my guest, EMG?s can sound huge/awesome/generally pretty darn metal, BUT WITH THE RIGHT AMP. See Commandment #1 and #2.


Copied from ultimate-guitar.True?I think it does provide a little punch though.

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Added on December 4, 2007, 8:20 pmBtw,how much does the DiMarzio Evolution cost?

This post has been edited by freakfingers12: Dec 4 2007, 08:20 PM

I dont know to what extent that statement is true but I do believe amps influence sound more than PUP.

True, amps ARE a big part of the sound.
But if you add in EMGs compared to stock, crappy pickups, I'm sure you can tell the difference.

i was stating a passive pickup from each of those 3 famous brands
but most people say the hzh4 sucks anyways...but then again most people compare it with actives

isnt the dimarzio x2n a passive alternative for those who want EMG active sound?
and the H4 sux anyway, and thats comparing it to passive duncans

yameh..

well i can spot an evo , JB , tone zone easily...

but most of the time i can't figure out what amp/settings somebody is using...

most of the time i guess its a Peavey ...turn out to be a line6 POD pro or a Marshall , turn out to be Ceriatone or something..

heck...even if joe satriani or steve vai played an acoustic...
you would know its them playing...cos like they say...its all in the fingers

Really? LOL I dont know
Anyways...comparing JB and evo, which one has higher output?

i'm using a SA120, also mahogany body but with H-H setting.

try fooling around with your EQ, effects, and you can get a nice tone out of it...

to me, i'll pick the RG1570...H-S-H + AANJ + prestige FTW!!

Evo..hands down ...

my choice of dimarzios for bridge

1.Steve Morse Bridge
2.Evo
3.Air zone

last time i used to be a seymour duncan whore..now i know what i want , i am starting to prefer dimarzios

What pups should I get for HSS?

I only know the Duncans SH-4 and TB-4.Both pulak humbuckers.I want something damn metal(other than EMGs) for the bridge and something that is jazzy for the neck.

hey i also know sh-4 and tb-4 only.. and the screamin demon model..

Nah, that's usually the D-Activators. X2N gives high output like EMG actives, but not the sound...

Haha... oh crap, I got a RR3 and an RG. Identity crisis mou...

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Added on December 5, 2007, 10:03 amX2N bridge. You can't get more metal than that!

No idea about the neck though... SD Jazz maybe? (Well it's called "Jazz"...)

This post has been edited by RustReaver4D1: Dec 5 2007, 10:04 AM

i tot SD jazz suppose to be a Super shredder pickup on the neck ..and a jazz pickup on the bridge

Putting the Jazz pickup on the bridge for jazz? Not a good idea, I reckon..it'll turn out super bright!

and why not get a 7 string? 7321. . .

i also heard that edge III is not that good. but i just bought a rg350EX and to me i does keep my strings in tune. I know that it will not be as good as an edge pro or an FR but still does the job weel. after restringing (which some people might remember) I experimented on the set up a bit, keeping the exact same streing gauge so that i dont have to change tweak the truss rod, the thing had only neeed to be re-tune once! so i dont know weather all those people saying edge II $uck a$$ without tring it out wouldnt give it its justice. Still, if you have the money, go for an rr3 better pickups.

thinking of swapping mine with dimarzios hehe

An rg350EX and Evo pickups would be AWESOME.

u get how much u pay for

floyd rose
anyway, does any1 know if steve vai uses a REAL-deal (ori) Floyd rose?
or the edge pro as sum1 has told me...

Edge-Pro.......
Ibanez exclusively (correct me if I'm wrong) uses their own Edge and ZR Trems.

steve vai uses lo pro edge ...

i am not sure whether he switched to edge-pro ...

but from what i heard he didn't ..

I have read somewhere (was it the Ibanez forum?) that swapping pickups in an S-body is not as easy and and as pleasure as many would think due to its thin body (less wood).

However, DiMarzio often goes well with Ibanez...generally.

This post has been edited by soulfly: Dec 10 2007, 02:47 PM

how long hav u been using it?
u wont b having any problem when it's new, but when it's 2-3, or mebbe 4 years.

unlike lo-pro and edge, they can last for years.

metal guitars.

well this what my band plays ;pp. i know a girl with a BC Rich Ironbird, a few warlocks and the usual

guys, maybe this is a spoiler to freakfingers, but found out in jamtank that he has bought an Ibanez SA160QM! very beautiful guitar!

here's the pics:




sorry bro, but good things is better if shared

Cool!
But no picture is turning up. Bad link or something maybe.

why not 7 string. . . 7321 only below 1.7k what. . . way in your budget xD

Wootah!I bought the guitar adi!The quilts are for real and not visible only under the light and I love the neck.I'll post the picture once my com is repaired.Now in cybercafe

Congrats! You got yourself the Ibanez SA?

show show? SA

Yep!I'm loving it,but I haven't even plugged it into the amp yet because I've no amp yet.I borrowed mine to my friend.

Once my damn computer is fixed,I'll post pics

Wooo! Sup dude Dey why haven't plugged into amp la.. Good to hear u're loving it! heheh.. aih im gonna miss the SA ..

Show pics when you can!

why not choose ltd?

He got his guitar already.
Since it's answered, I'll close this thread.

But freakfingers12, once you get the pictures ready, drop me a PM with the links to the pics and I'll post it up here, but you should also post it in the Show Off Thread.