currently im doing a-levels n going to finish in june 08
n i am planning to play WoW after that
is it ok? or too late?
coz i dun wanna waste my $$$ liao

shouldn't u be concentrating on your studies ?

well, mmorpg never 'ends' especially wow. u can do the same instance every week, play pvp if u interested, or do much much much moar things. basically, it wont end.

It ain't ending anytime soon son, not with WRATH OF THE LICH KING securing the future.

Honestly. I would say 2.3 is sort of the begin of downhill of WOW.

Look at the raid instances, its no where as epic as pre-tbc.
The PVE raiding scene is pretty much dying due to the current PVP trend.
Honestly, ask yourself. Why would i bother paying consumables and repair bills anymore? Arena and LOLAFK battleground is the way to go.

PVE gear holds NO significance anymore. Whats the role of PVE gear?
To progress further in raid instances which results in more repair bills? 90% of the time the ?? boss dont even drop what you want.
Why bother talking about Sunwell?
Less than 0.5% of wow population have seen Black Temple, let alone the future Sunwell.

Even the lorelol that drives the WOW story and quests getting pretty lame and stupid now.
What? Lets kill Zuljin because he refuses to make friends with Blood Elves.
Lets kill him coz some dumbtard treasure hunters are kidnapped by him.

Class balances in WOW are as fair and balance as Malaysian Election system.
Everyone knows that Blizz Developers are very vindictive. You insult them in 1 forum post, they screw you around for 3 years.
Even if you want to start WOW, do not ever ever roll a Shaman. You will thank me later.

Outland has nothing much to offer anymore.
What? New daily quests for professions?
Old world lvling has boring as hell since no one wants to run any old instances anymore. People just want to blitz through lvl 70.
That is how the game created sooo many retards.
Honored heroics runs FTL.



I know some of you will feel the same and agree to what i say, but your WOW addiction is putting you in a state of denial.
Ya this is pretty much a QQ post.

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Dec 2 2007, 06:32 PM

/Agree totally

i dont agree on arena epics being so strong....it imba the game greatly real real greatly.............for me they should just remain as raid gear being the strongest gear you can achive... and one thing that dosent makes sense is y are the horde killing keal when he is their leader......

Kaelthas totally went insane when he was with Illidan.
Demon magic and arcane addiction = Worse than crack.
It doesnt make sense when the Blood elves immigrants in Thrallmar are preaching about Kaelthas while the Scryers are plotting against Kaelthas in Shat. WTF is this? PIME TARADOX?

I truly loathe Zulaman. The lore behind it is shallow as hell.
The forest troll were the original inhabitants of the area till elves come and disturb them.
If you play the Horde, Zuljin was like the big bad ass mofo that all the trolls revered. (Sort of like Grom Hellscream for the orcs)
Theres quite lot of mentioning of Zuljin in the troll quest in Hinterlands.
In Wc2, he is the only prominent troll figure in the game.
Now, he is just a killable NPC which drops random purples for lulz.

Clearly, Blizz developers have been slack off in the 2.3 patch.
Thanks to the ever idiotic Tigole and Kalgan who are responsible for EQ1's death.
I wouldnt give high hopes to WOTLK unless Blizz starts to do something about this slacking off.

PS: Sorry with the thread jacking.
Btw, i suggest you dont start WOW. Dont touch it ever. Especially during A-lvls.

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Dec 3 2007, 01:48 AM

check WoW playerbase, check the 2nd rank mmorpg playerbase, or other mmorpg playerbase for that matter, and think:

if they arent goin anywhere, will WoW be goin anywhere anytime soon?

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Added on December 3, 2007, 5:21 amQQ more.

pve cant be promoted as e-sport.

pvp can.

you can always continue to raid, or join the pvp bandwagon, no one's forcing you to do either. wow downhill? checks playerbase.... nope. only goin up. downhill for you, doesnt mean it'll be goin down for everyone else.

oh and in regards to shamans, theres really a ton of shamans doing fine in the pvp world, considering since class balances are mainly revolving around pvp (who the hell argue about class balances in pve lol. so long its constant buffs, everyone's happy)

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Added on December 3, 2007, 5:24 ampvp gear are only good for pvp.

pve gear are only good for pve.

nuff effin said.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Dec 3 2007, 05:28 AM

First time I've seen an OP post about his worry that WoW may be ending soon.

Hee hee....

ah alas goblinskater ur msg came a tad bit late as wow has eaten my soul

I wouldn't say it's more of a decline but gearing more towards casual players. I don't know about Hyjal or BT just yet, but pre-tbc, Naxx was hard as hell. And comparing to what I've experienced so far with my current raid; SSC and TK, these are relatively easier. Maybe coordinating and managing 25 is easier than 40, but still with heroic keys being dropped to requiring only honored and no attunement quests needed, it's definitely becoming more casual-oriented than hardcore. Maybe that's why even pvp gear can be earned by points now and not by rank as required before; GM and Lt. Commander only iirc. My opinions anyway

EDIT: to answer the question, WoW will still be around for some time yet. As with life, you'll find more people negative comments than positives. Why? Because the ones with positive comments are too busy playing to comment

This post has been edited by Odinn: Dec 3 2007, 01:48 PM

Always, the best time to start I reckon is when there's a new expansion pack. You will probably get some people who will level some 'alts' who might play with you. Otherwise it's kinda lonely unless you got a bunch of friends to play with you.

Currently all the starting zones are like ghost towns. When I first started out it was really an amazing experience with tons of people all over the place. Progressing to 60 with all these people and seeing them from time to time really made WoW one of the best MMOs I've ever played..

Heh, i have been expecting our super flamer Quazacolt to reply.

I didnt meant to say anything bad about the PVP players or anything.
Me myself enjoy both PVE n PVP.
But it really pisses me off to see more bad players running around in item they dont deserve.
Every PVPer has the same gear except "Vengeful Weapons or Shoulders".
What im saying is the current arena system is a joke.
They should have add arena rating requirement on ALL S3 items considering they are way more powerful than S2 items.
What i want to see is a more competitive arena not a "lets lose fast and get points" arena.


You do know that statistical figures can be rigged right? Maybe the new playerbase are still too new to realize that they are stepping into a trap.

LOL, shaman constant buff? You don't play a shaman, you wouldnt know.
Every single shaman player knows that every single buff or class fix comes with "stealth" nerf. (WF fix WF totems, Healing Wave downranking, Ele dmg coefficient etc)
By the way, you do know that Shaman's Earthshield is going on a 30s cooldown in next patch right? Class balance in PVP lol.
Why would i bring a shaman whose 41pt talent is dispellable and runs on 30s cooldown when i could bring a druid or pally for more survivability?
Even bloodlust and purge will not justify their position in arenas when they are dead in like less than 10s.

Heres the conversation between a shaman n its developer:
Shaman: Hey, our 41pt talent is too expensive to cast and always dispelled or spellstealed in PVP the moment we cast it.
Developer: No worries, we r going to "fix" it.
Shaman: YAY!!
Developer: New earthshield will only cost 450 mana to cast.
Shaman: YAY!!
Developer: Oh wait, new cooldown of ES is gonna be 30seconds so it wont get dispelled that often.
Shaman: Ya...Oh wait, WTF?!!!!

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Dec 3 2007, 04:08 PM

Yeap I cant agree more..WoW is a life Sucker!!

It took me a while to cure from widrawal...=(

Sobs...

bad players will still be bad players regardless of their gear. arena itself is already competitive enough. people that lose and suck will still continue to lose and suck regardless of their gear.
hell, raiding is JUST ABOUT the same, just cuz the guild/raid is good, noobs can just leech along and gain gear just because they are lucky it dropped, or they got the dkp etc. and in the end gaining gear that they dont deserve. SAME THING. but will the raid ultimately progress far with such leechers around? would they tank good as a tanker? deal good dps as a dpser? heal good as a healer? doubt it.

if ur SO pissed that bad players are running around in gears they may or may not deserve, im calling jealousy on that. advice? get those gears yourself and beat them with it. simple as that.

hey, i dont play a shaman, but as an ex-raid leader, and current pvp team leader and guild leader for over a year, i value shamans and i bring them to raids and now, in pvp.

since i dont raid now lets just talk about pvp. in pvp, shamans are the only class with bloodlust, dispeling them off or not is irrevelant as people will still get to ultilize it and not every team have full offensive dispelers eg: druid/paladin healer teams. and if you dispel, ur burning GCD and any top end pvp'ers would know how precious every single GCD goes. Then, theres totems, you may argue that they are easily destroyed, but do you know how much effort it takes to destroy them? just to get it replanted. you may argue that you can send a hunter pet to do the job, but do you realize, not every team runs hunters, and even if they do, everytime the pet moves to the totem, thats 1 less dps or interruptions on the healer or caster.

earthshield cooldown? imho, thats no big deal, the only change to pvp is that shamans will now need to time their earthshield better instead of spamming it on targets and EZ-mode heal people from it. nerf to their own defense you say? lol have you ever fought a 490 resil 13k armored 12k hp shaman, with earthshield? its even tougher than hitting a paladin, as a rogue, and with the new 2.3 spell dmg from healing change, they can and will kill you.

so really, if you have so much complains on shaman, imho, maybe its just you sucking. and lets say shaman REALLY suck, advice to you, tough it out just like rogues or ANY classes that were sucking (warlocks pre 1.8 patch anyone?) and wait for the buff, or just shut up and reroll.

and in the meantime, ill bring shamans that arent crybabies and know how to play their class and ultilizing them to their fullest for my team.

My whole point is Our Class Lead "Eyonix" posted that ES will get some love in 2.3.2 patch and we got a slap in the face with the 30s cooldown.
That what we call "LOVE". Theres a blue post in WOW forums stating this love.


I truly doubt a resto shaman can kill a rogue even though he is in full arena gear.
Where is your wounding poison? Poison cleansing totems ticks every 5s and do nothing against them
Where is your stunlocking



Same thing to shamans. Each totems causes a GCD too. So it affects both sides. Fair enough.

Quazacolt, to be very honest to everyone. Everyone here knows you are the most l337est wow pvper in lowyat forums.
Given a choice of ganking pally druids or shaman, who would you like to gank?
And go ahead and ask any resto shamans in your team what they think about ES patch in 2.3.2.
If you reply here that they have no problems and very satisfied with the buff, then you are the biggest liar in the world.



I do agree that leeching is a problem in raids. Any good guilds will spot a leecher and /gkick them immediately.
Its easier to spot a leecher now in TBC due to smaller raids compared to pre-TBC.

Edit: Lol, we are derailing this topic to another Pee vee pee thread. We should have a wow pvp subforums where Quazacolt is the moderator.
BTW, this forum needs more drama.
Im gonna stop QQing and play something else.

This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Dec 4 2007, 01:28 AM

resto shamans had been killing and raping rogues all around prior to patch 2.3 and even top rogues like neilyo, ming, nitrana have their troubles beating resto shamans, and even if its a win, all the above mentioned rogues are left with 20-30% health give or take, any mistakes they do will obviously mean fatal to them.

wounding poison can be easily cleansed, via a combination of poison cleansing totem spam/manual cleanse. and our stunlocks on post 400 resil people especially with over 10k hp and 10k armor holds minor value as opposed to stunlocking someone in prebc where people are usually dead before diminishing even kicks in. post bc especially heavily geared arena people, you can stunlock all you want but you're pretty much wasting your time as it'll get into DR early and your precious energy are being wasted.



id gank either the druid, paladin and shaman are debatable.

since you mentioned ganking, given the nature of ganks, i will have the opener, so the druid is a clearcut choice.
so that leaves either shaman or paladin, and to be honest, both share the same value to be ganked or avoided. shamans with their totems and their spell dmg are a killer to rogues. where else paladin couldnt kill me as easily, their bubbles, blessing of freedom and plate are enough to make any rogue frustrated.
so minus druid which is a clear cut choice, id say ill either gank both paladin or shaman, or avoid them completely.

assumingly you're talking about arena target selection, id choose anyone of them. i can counter paladin bubble via massdispel and they are as good as dead. shaman on the other hand actually can hold a few sec more than paladin due to ns heal/hearth shield, but same thing, they cant run away. druids id rather tend to avoid unless i can get a clear trap against them such as catching them in caster form with my teammates already prepping a huge dmg burst unload, else its no point having the druid kiting everyone around with his hots ticking with his teammates cc'ing/killing us or a 2nd'ary healer healing him.

and im not gonna lie, they are actually fine with the majority of the new patch changes, surely they arent too happy being unable to spam ES anymore, but the new water shield and ES mana cost helps them in the long run in a serious arena fight. the biggest problem in resto shamans in high end arena is that they run oom FAR quicker than any of the other 3 healer types. with watershield changes and ES cost lowered, it solves a huge majority of their problems. so yes, they are fine.



but the fact is leechers will still occur especially to guilds that do not have the manpower to sub in people everytime a leecher is removed. take for example is asiapacific players playing on US servers. so they are still gonna leech happily, and the fact is that there people all around the world that are gearing up despite them being deserving to their gear or not.

this thread is still about how the OP is wondering if WoW will last, you claim its going downhill, i strongly disagree, and this is merely a debate of it. dont see a problem in that.

Guess, its kinda true that its too early to tell whether its a downhill or not.
S3 is still early and there is no preview on Sunwell yet.

One thing for sure is if Blizz developers is gonna stay at their current ignorant attitude and standards (ala Sony's ignorant and arrogant ps3 promotion style), this game will go the way of the dodo.


This post has been edited by Goblinsk8er: Dec 4 2007, 04:16 AM

I wouldnt hold too much hopes on sunwell considering its rather geared towards the hardcore raiding community aside its lesser/more casual dungeons. Main reason to that is because the majority of hardcore guilds claim that BT/HJ being too easy, and as time passes, BT/HJ is slowly turning into a non-factor and pve is getting old really quickly as there is no additional content for them to work on. Sunwell is the solution to that and unless you're done with the present raiding world (HJ/BT), it wouldnt be too wise to look up to sunwell which is a notch ahead HJ/BT.

That said, imho Blizzard, even though they may seem ignorant or outright bastards to some, (even myself from time to time) but if you take the time to think and compare with other mmorpgs out there, im very certain that blizzard in overall, is doing MUCH MUCH better than the rest and its very apparent with the ammount of player base they are getting as opposed to other mmorpgs. No doubt, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone i dare say, but they are striking that balance very hard to please both the pve/pvp'ers, hardcore and casual alike, and to various categories of target audience and thus far, imo, they are doing a very good job in striking that said balance.

To be honest though, despite whats being said, i REALLY hope there would be some competition in the mmorpg market to arise, to at least keep blizzard on their toes. No doubt the market is already monopolized by blizzard and as we all know, monopolization in ANYTHING is not good, competition is always needed for the benefits of the consumer. Take a look back to our very own tmnut screamyx, prolly the best example i can think up from the top of my head.