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post Dec 1 2007, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Dec 1 2007, 12:13 PM)
if the ati can make it come true, the next gen r700 will come with multicore for vga, even midrange hv 2 graphic core... hope nvidia will do the same...
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What kind of multi core are you talking about?

If multiple GPU, that's not really a good thing, power consumption and cost will be through the roof. The idea of using multiple HD 3k GPU to try and get the performance crown just shows how bad ATi are doing, they are not capable of producing a single GPU that could beat GeForce 8800 Ultra.

If you mean multicore as in multiple GPU on a single die, I don't think it makes any sense at all since they are already massively parallel processor.

i mean, if you can cramp in 2 GPU cores, each with 128 SMP into a single die, why not make a core with 256 SMP instead.
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QUOTE(nagflar @ Dec 1 2007, 07:55 PM)
total money i spend to my pc . can buy a kancil liao sad.gif
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mine total spend in last 4 years can buy one GTR R34 already laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Hornet @ Dec 1 2007, 08:25 PM)
What kind of multi core are you talking about?

If multiple GPU, that's not really a good thing, power consumption and cost will be through the roof. The idea of using multiple HD 3k GPU to try and get the performance crown just shows how bad ATi are doing, they are not capable of producing a single GPU that could beat GeForce 8800 Ultra.

If you mean multicore as in multiple GPU on a single die, I don't think it makes any sense at all since they are already massively parallel processor.

i mean, if you can cramp in 2 GPU cores, each with 128 SMP into a single die, why not make a core with 256 SMP instead.
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Yields and flexbility?

The way it's done currently is kinda retarded compared to what R700 is going for. They'd only need to tape out ONE chip, make that for ALL segments of the market, and class PRO/XT (50/70) by using clockspeeds on top of multiple core.


For one, the R700 "Mini-cores" are going to be dirt cheap to make compared to nVidia's G80 benmoth, or even ATI's RV670. 1 minicore would take about the same cost as a budget chip would. If we assume the worst and put pricing down to 4 "budget" cards (+markup etc), they'll still be loltons cheaper than a highend chip. Performance I can't talk, nobody can for now.

4 small cores should be much more versatile to cool than 1 huge core (cheaper cooling). With a fraction of SPs it's very unlikely they're gonna heat up that fast, too. Plus, when the card is idle, power management is much more easier than just clock throttling- just shut down cores. These cores should also be the stepping stone to Fusion.

BTW 2 RV670s as it goes should handily beat the 8800Ultra. Even the 8800GT is not far from the GTX at stock. Definitely not an elegant solution (the Ultra too) though.

I never believed in PR wars. Getting the ultimate fast card mostly means nothing except for fantards being happily scalpted for bragging rights. X1950XTX, 6800 Ultra etc. redux.

QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 1 2007, 08:49 PM)
mine total spend in last 4 years can buy one GTR R34 already laugh.gif
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post Dec 1 2007, 11:54 PM

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I think I gonna get one once the ~RM1200 level GeForce 9 card comes out around Jun2008. A rule of thumb is always get cards that is slightly more than RM1000 at any time to get at least some decent gaming for 1 year. Just forget about those RM500-600 card.
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I'm already started saving for this card laugh.gif. Gonna skip 8800GTX lar..

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post Dec 2 2007, 12:50 AM

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post Dec 2 2007, 01:24 AM

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start saving. Only bought one the card is value in term money/performance

Like 8800GT. Value but not too cheap but great in performance (on par or above GTS and GTX)
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post Dec 2 2007, 03:24 AM

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I'm gonna start saving ! Graphic Cards yearly keluar. Money all go to drain. LoL. Should settle on 8800GT first la. Or maybe 8800GTS..lol
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QUOTE(X.E.D @ Dec 1 2007, 08:59 AM)
Yields and flexbility?

The way it's done currently is kinda retarded compared to what R700 is going for. They'd only need to tape out ONE chip, make that for ALL segments of the market, and class PRO/XT (50/70) by using clockspeeds on top of multiple core.
For one, the R700 "Mini-cores" are going to be dirt cheap to make compared to nVidia's G80 benmoth, or even ATI's RV670. 1 minicore would take about the same cost as a budget chip would. If we assume the worst and put pricing down to 4 "budget" cards (+markup etc), they'll still be loltons cheaper than a highend chip. Performance I can't talk, nobody can for now.

4 small cores should be much more versatile to cool than 1 huge core (cheaper cooling). With a fraction of SPs it's very unlikely they're gonna heat up that fast, too. Plus, when the card is idle, power management is much more easier than just clock throttling- just shut down cores. These cores should also be the stepping stone to Fusion.

BTW 2 RV670s as it goes should handily beat the 8800Ultra. Even the 8800GT is not far from the GTX at stock. Definitely not an elegant solution (the Ultra too) though.

I never believed in PR wars. Getting the ultimate fast card mostly means nothing except for fantards being happily scalpted for bragging rights. X1950XTX, 6800 Ultra etc. redux.
Aimed for imminent snatching...  icon_idea.gif
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The chips can't be too small either. There are some things that will have to be duplicated across the chips, so there will be some redundant waste there too. Also not all tasks can be parallelized nicely across multiple chips without massive interconnect bandwidth. I doubt each core will be equivalent to a budget chip. Assuming they want to use one chip to cover the entire range, my guess would be dual core for high end, cutdown for low end, one core for midrange. Else they will just end up wasting most of the core on the non scalable stuff.
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the upgrades never ends sad.gif
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QUOTE(Ryo @ Dec 2 2007, 08:44 AM)
the upgrades never ends sad.gif
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all the anticipated games already launched, most of the games i already finished. afaik during feb the 9series are launched there no hot game titles out at that doh.gif ??
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post Dec 2 2007, 08:54 AM

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Hopefully these new cards are 2x faster in Direct X10 than any of the current cards while being able to handle 4xAA and 16xAF

Gaming in Direct X10 is a pain at the moment, especially at higher resolution.

Lotsa competition = Lotsa development = Better for consumers.
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QUOTE(zeustronic @ Dec 2 2007, 07:54 AM)
all the anticipated games already launched, most of the games i already finished. afaik during feb the 9series are launched there no hot game titles out at that doh.gif ??
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Can play crysis with very high+4aa+16x anisotropy what rclxm9.gif. Also gonna try with World in Conflict with everthing maxxed out rclxm9.gif
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I gonna save my money to get geforce9, It be great than enough ^^
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post Dec 2 2007, 12:15 PM

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i thinks nvidia wont announce 10 series , which is same name as ATI ...
example 1600,1800,1900 ..
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post Dec 2 2007, 09:25 PM

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Here is something to get your mind scratching...
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post Dec 2 2007, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Dec 1 2007, 11:54 PM)
I think I gonna get one once the ~RM1200 level GeForce 9 card comes out around Jun2008. A rule of thumb is always get cards that is slightly more than RM1000 at any time to get at least some decent gaming for 1 year. Just forget about those RM500-600 card.
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QUOTE(zubai @ Dec 1 2007, 11:54 PM)
I'm already started saving for this card laugh.gif. Gonna skip 8800GTX lar..
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QUOTE(zeropulse @ Dec 2 2007, 03:24 AM)
I'm gonna start saving ! Graphic Cards yearly keluar. Money all go to drain. LoL. Should settle on 8800GT first la. Or maybe 8800GTS..lol
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haiyah just get the 9 series straight away la laugh.gif nothing wrong with waiting game ma laugh.gif
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post Dec 2 2007, 11:15 PM

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omg, here we are still getting the finer details of the 8800 series and the 9000 series are round the corner....this has indeed been a very interesting year for graphic cards as mentioned by a forummer....but I wonder how come suddenly there is a rush in this direction?? anybody got ideas??
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post Dec 3 2007, 01:19 AM

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ati and nvidia are in a hot competition.
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post Dec 3 2007, 01:36 AM

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If the pricing in US300 range for "9800GTS", then will start selling 8800GT before launch. hmm.gif

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