Hi all, been lurker here for quite some time now.
played WOW for two months plus and got really hooked on it.
I'm lvl61 orc warrior and start lvl'ing at outland already.
I was wondering, do you guys (fellow warrior) respec. to prot once reach outland?
Or continue arm or fury spec. until certian lvl ??
now i keep receive request to join raid as MT, but no being prot spec. and without SS, i find it a bit hard to hold aggro.
before that i seldom do raid while lvling to 60. and when i do, i don't seem to have much problem there, and people do not aspect you to be prot. spec. before lvl60.
Therefore i was wondering should i respec to prot. spec now that i'm in outland ?
If prot spec. how do all you handle solo quest ? won't that be really hard?
some suggested respec. to prot and have two sets of gears (DPS gears and prot gears), but at lvl61 gears is still crappy.
I think i will still have problem lvling up even with DPS gears in prot. spec.
Really confused and not sure which direction should i go. Any suggestion ??

Hi... i'm not at your level yet but i understand how u feel.
I can't hold aggro too...

taunt is only for solo mobs and most of the time i just spam sunder/HS/TC to keep aggro high.
but when it's a bigger mob, my team is in trouble.

Would like some pro warrior's feedback on this.

haha...
guess all warrior will be going thru the same phase like this.

aaltong: For specs, its a matter of individual preference, some prefer to level with arms, some with fury and yes some even with prot. Its your choice really.

Well, as for holding agro... what you can do is tell them upfront you're not prot and ask them hold back dps until you are comfortable, e.g. say 2 - 3 sunders or 5secs?

That should work fine. Hope this helps bro!


King83: you're missing revenge from that list of abilities you use. That is a very good tanking ability.

This post has been edited by saingau: Nov 29 2007, 12:04 PM

oh yeah, revenge

but revenge very hard to spot...
unlike OP, whenever i see the word DODGE, my finger will auto press OP key.
Revenge is harder to spot, hafta see the icon.

From what my guild MT told me once, spec Fury until reaching lvl 70. Then you'll have to decide whether you want to be DPS or tanking.

In normal instances, you can still be Fury spec and still be able to tank. And yes, including level 70 instances. I've been in PUG runs where the tanks are not Prot Warriors so it's doable and yes when we go full out on DPS (then again, PUG group DPS is bad anyways). Provided that you get good players and all.

welcome to Outland mate...
glad to hear a pro-photographer who had joined WoW...lol

btw a bit off topic, i love see your photo shooting collections...
especially those potraits whereby comparable with shinchan's collections...
cheerz!

Yah, i should do that more often. but the shiz like "what ? u not prot. spec yet?", "U don't have SS!! OMG !", and etc, do fruz me some time.

I been thinking of changing my arm spec. to fury spec. maybe this is good time to try. know any good talent spec. to refer? too bad at work, i can't surf WoW official forum/website


hahaha.... way way way OT lar!!
Anyway, because of WoW, i shoot much less now.
once i reach lvl70, i think can lay off a bit on WoW amd get back to my photography more.... or would i be get addicted more with WoW?

Some links that I keep in my Fav list.

http://www.tankingtips.com/
http://www.tankspot.com/
http://www.tankhard.com/

But when it comes to raiding, that's a different ballgame. Then everyone goes to http://www.elitistjerks.com . For sure you can find the information here.

myremi, why u keep that?
you don't have a warrior char

Try installing SCT (scrolling combat text) It will pop up Overpower or Revenge icon when you can use it..... It helps me alot.....

kthx

yup, a lot of warr are complaining about this, i dun blame em, i have a warr too, and it sucks being prot spec as it is VERY hard to solo. even AT LEVEL 70! and u wont get a lot of invites being arms/fury due to the threat problem. unless u have ss, drood/pally are imo better tankers in those 5mans mob pull. however, if ur the grinding type, taking multiple lower lvls mob was the most feasible way for me to lvl in outland. for doing solo quests however, its not that bad or hard. just a little bit SLOWER.

warrs are the MOST gear based class. tanking in ur dps gear means = u cant tank at all

and i do find it hard to tank without ss+devastate, and u can spec prot and use dps gears for soloing, but need to have BS and mining for the gears. thats the hard part

the 2 spammable macros that i used:

/cast [stance:2] Sunder Armor; Defensive Stance
/cast Heroic Strike
/startattack

for rage dump, SA will trigger gcd, Hs will not

and

/cast [stance:2] Revenge; Defensive Stance
/cast Shield Block

for SB+revenge. as for ur lvl and gear, i think it will procs more on blocks. so its quite spammable.

i keep it in case i need the info. besides, having only one lvl70 raiding character so i try to learn how the other classes tick.

lvl17 warrior
lvl18 shaman
lvl26 lock
lvl49 hunter
lvl11 mage
lvl5 rogue
lvl10 pally

was that bored.

It takes 10 level70 chars to be certified as an official wow nerd.
Guess u're not a nerd.

So you are saing that prot. spec. with DPS gears are doable when soloing right?

Hmm... maybe will try hbrid spec. either fury/prot or arm/prot until reach lvl70. then change to full prot once lvl70.
Thanks for the macro. will try it out soon.

From your list there...i guess you are lvl70 warlock, right ?
i have an alt warlock sitting at lvl27. very fun to play and less painful. lol
something different from malee class.

I plan to create a tanker char...

should i go Orc or Tauren?

I think Orc is the better choice cos the 15% stun resist trait + iron will for a total of 30% resist will really make a big difference.
On the other hand, i like Tauren's look better cos their big 5% extra to total hp won't hurt either cos i think hp comes into play more often than stun resist.
But, does the 5% really make any difference towards end game?

your take on this?

Prot spec - dps gear - dw weapons - devastate spam. Its really not that bad. Solo farm decently but tank awesomely.

i spec fury for raid, prot for heroic(sometimes if i cant get a group for dps war) n ms for pvp(weekend), but i was fury while lvlg (outland included), no problem tanking bf, ramp,sp, mana tomb(massive aoe from my mage, clear adds fast), revenge is a must, spam sunders n heroic strike, get 2set of gears, u shud be fine , if ure not ask ur group to get omen/ktm to control their threat haha but later i found out i cant keep aggro in slab, so if ure going to be mt u must be in prot lol, but once ure 70 respec is a routine n gold is not a problem, juz do dailies n u shud be ok, i didnt respec until i reach 70, fastest way to kill mobs is in fury, best talent build for fury war is 17/44. get 17 in arms until impale, n the rest in fury tree until bloodthirst, the choice where to put the points is depends on ur playing style, gudluck n ave fun, more information at www.tankspot.com

eh king there is an option in the interface option to pop out a word for you to use a skill when it can be used for exp when ppl dodge my atks it will pop MONGSE BITE

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Added on December 2, 2007, 8:52 pmoh and i think 5% might big diffrence in tanking, for example kurei has 17484 hp and 5% out of that is 874hp extra....so he would have 18358hp :/ idk but i rather 18k hp lol.....and this is counting the "gear" kurei has that dam show off undead warrior lol jkjk

This post has been edited by Jas2davir: Dec 2 2007, 08:52 PM

close. lvl70 shadow priest and lvl70 druid.

bringing up the warrior and warlock. or when i have time, my BE hunter.

these days, malas to do farming and grinding for gold.

OK.. because i was such a masochist i did lvl 60-70 prot specced. umm.. in order to prove a point.

And there really is no point. I had quite a lot of lvl 60 tanking epics so shield slam damage was "ok".

For 60 to about 65, with my lvl 60 dps epics it was quite easy to just do dual wield prot grindage. After that though, I noticed that while i could Dual wield and devastate spam, i noticed that i wasn't killing fast enough and taking far too much damage even in dps gear. It would definitely have been a lot faster soloing in fury as you definitely kill faster and therefore take less damage and have less downtime. So in the end it was faster to just do sword and board dps as prot.

(having said that, now that you also have sunder effects with devastate, it is would definitely make a big difference to damage output - previously you didn't)

The other thing about prot solo levelling in sword and board is that it is possible to solo most the 2 and 3 men quest elites, which i found incredibly useful as i got my copy after most of my guildies had reached 70.

From my personal experience, you don't need prot spec until u doing major heroic instance or 25 man instance.

Yeah hard to hold agro if u non prot but who cares when u doing 5 man non heroic. You can still taunt them off and spam sunder and most of the time, you should be able to hold agro. If someone pulls agro from u, it's freaking their fault rofl.

But if you full prot, u probably never lose aggro with spam on devastate (sunder pointless now) and shield slam and in between revenge.

if ur grup cant dps properly becoz u cant hold aggro, then its YOUR fault. and would get less invites so on for heroics. i would prefer a rouge>fury/arms warr in heroics any time. decent and less retarded warr tanks are kinda hard to find tho. thank god for the droods and prot pallys

Like i said, non heroic when u start at outland u don't need it.

Most bosses when u level up do not require hyper dps. When i do Kara, Gruul, ZA, 25 men raid, off course u need to go prot spec and with Devastate having sunder effects added after the new patch, almost 98% impossible to pull aggro off him.

These bosses like in heroic mode and 25 instance requires crazy dps to really get thru it and if you not prot spec, your team can easily pull aggro off.

In normal instance level 60-69 non heroic, u can tank just using sunder, revenge and taunt. But you got a 10-20% chance your teammates can pull aggro off you. This can easily be rectify by just applying taunt again.

Blizzard create dps class with aggro dump because they can pull aggro off MT.

Some cases is not all pally/druid can be tanks. For example, 25 men Tempest keep have this overlord things where it cast an overload on the tankers for 15k++ which can easily down any other class of tankers. However, with a prot warrior, you can spell reflect that fully. It was meant to be that way or otherwise, need uber heals on the other class tankers which is also doable.

Btw, even the best spec prot warrior/druid/pallies can have his aggro pull off by the team and it wouldn't be the tanker's fault. Well geared hunters can easily pull off aggro even from the best tankers in a long duration fight. Fortunately, most high dps class have skills to dump aggro and salvation from pallies.

Fury warriors? You kidding me right? In PvE or PvP, ARMS (up to MS) combined with Fury (up to enrage) can always out dps a fury warrior.

When i am pvping, i seriously laugh at Warriors that are fury 2 wielder, can easily be beaten by 2H warriors ARMs+fury anyday or not to mention by a rogue. Fury warriors basically is an excuse of accidently rolling a warrior instead of a rogue.

Your comment that it's always warrior fault that they lose aggro is unjustified. True, most tanks nowadays don't know how to hold aggro but that's not always the case.

im not generalizing about retards rolling warriors, i have a warr too and i understand what are u trying to say. it is just that im freakin tired of "OMG wth is my heals?" or "why the f%#! did u pull aggro" questions popping up just becoz the tank(most of the time, warrs) cant do s%#! keeping aggro. l2ragedump, read up guides on rotation. thinks all priest/pally/druid/shammy want to spec healing while farming/grinding? hell no. GTFO and respec if u cant hold aggro. period. and if u managed to get to do heroics without being prot, then i really pity ur healer. he must be really nice churning out golds for repairs and consumables. becoz when a group wipes, 99% of them will say its the freaking healer's mistake. nice MTFOs

ever wonder why theres always the lack of tanks and healers in LFG? becoz most of them found out that its not easy tanking or healing for PUGs. most of them quit while lvling and rolled a dps class instead. who the f@#! notices when ur slacking/made a mistake? unlike dps classes, others ability to solo gimped greatly when specced tank/heal. so if im speced holy to heal ur ass in heroics, i would appreciate it more if u would do likewise with ur class. if not i just rage hearth

yes dps class can aggro dump. like spriests fade, rouges vanish, mage and lock also got but with longer cd. warriors? none. and most of thier skills are meant to generate threat anyway. thus a lot of fury ones QQ-ing about not getting invites. 25mans? they are there to OT. if the fight doesnt requires that, then he will be dps-ing. but only for 1 raid spot that is.

fury warrs are l33t. look them up in BG9. theres a couple of them. and a lot of them on Tich sv.

what i meant earlier was that i would prefer a pally/drood tanks for heroics. as for non ones, i would only heal if the tank is a pally/drood. WAY MUCH EASIER . any time. over a warr who doesnt have the gear or even spec-ed right. u might find it all fine tanking without the nessecities, but it would trouble the healer(s) more. roll a healbot class and try to heal retards. u will understand

This post has been edited by [^-^]fumoffu: Dec 5 2007, 03:10 AM

rofl having a dumb healer also common place nowadays coz priest tend to play shadow spec and are dumb at healing rofl.

It's the players, not the class. hehehe.

I hate it when healer stand within melee range and do the healing from there.
I guess they want some peice of action as well.

we got a battle priest lulz
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...cale&n=rommorga

Another question here (don't want open a new thread).

If i stacked gems into my gear gem sockets, is it possible for me to change it to another gem later on or take out the gems and put on another gear?

U can change the gems but the old gems will get destroyed. You can't removed the existing gems and re-use it.

ahh... thanks for the fast reply kurei.
No point for me to stack expensive gems into my low level gears since can't recycle.

Just some tips :

1) No matter what spec you are (fury/arms/prot) - ALWAYS keep a set of each type of gears. i.e. Tanking set, DPS Set, Resist Set (if possible). As a DPS warrior you will still be required to off-tank during raids so it's good to brush up on that skill. As a DPS warrior you should be able to off-tank kara and heroics (with good healing love, and patient raid members of course). Holding aggro isn't a problem. Just let your team mates know you're NOT Prot and allow you some time to build aggro.

2) Get an aggro meter.... KTM Threatmeter i think it's called.

3) Leveling is much easier in Fury up till lvl 70. Do some speed leveling... don't spend so much time from lvl 61 - 69. The fun starts at 70.

4) Generally, Fury is perceived to give the most dps for raids. Arms are generally for PVP and Prot for tanking. You can mix roles so some degree of success though.

5) Get a good guild with nice matured people and friends.

6) PUGs aren't all bad. There are pretty decent skilled people in PUGs too that remain my friends/guildies till today.

Hehe, that's why warriors make or break the PvE guild. It's a whole vicious cycle. High Agro = High DPS = Faster Kill = Less Healing Issues. Good Healing = Living Tank = Longer DPS = More DPS Output. Either way works.

The protection tree doesnt give that much more damage mitigation, but what it offers is good agro generation. Imo that is more important than a good gear for 5man at least coz it means that the warrior will be able to root the mobs to him (considering if he does his job) and allows the healer a good time by just mainly focusing on the warrior instead of having to spread his attention over the 5 party members due to loose mobs. Healing will be more regulated and thus more efficient when it comes to healing.

However, if the gear is extremely advanced for the instance, I believe a dps warrior would be able to do it much better. 1) It effectively gives another 1/2 more dps (considering that he mix matches some tanking gear) to the group and it lets you blitz the instance. 2) Def warrior with too good gears will be hit so miserably that he doesnt generate enough rage to hold mobs down.

Hmm.. we always brought along a Fury warrior for the melee dps class group. Most cases 3 Warriors, 2 prot 1 Fury. 2 prot in the same group for one to give demo shout + keeping up tc. And the other commanding shout. While the fury warrior will battle shout his group. Groupings are important and individual dps doesnt mean jack. What is needed is the cummulative damage done by the group which matters, which is why certain classes are brought in eventhough they do not top the dps meter.

Priests do not dump agro. We just reduce X agro over Y amount of time, of which the same X amount will be added to the current agro after Y. So, no dump there but just short reduction to allow you to pray the the current agro holder will be able to build that much agro before your fade timer runs out. It's normally the 'oh shit' moment that it's being used (hopefully never coz it costs mana) or when during changes in phases when you want to boost some dps by fading then dpsing so that you can straightaway nuke, but you must have all the confidence in the agro holder to be able to do the latter.