let me put it this way
bill gates was once the richest person in the world
he did dropped out of college.
i think being ranked as the richest person in the world
he went back and finished his degree

some people just want a sense of accomplishment,
some people just want an education
some people just want better pay

degree for sense of accomplishment, ok
degree for education, errr.. sometimes this doesn't work out.
degree for better pay.. sometimes this doesn't work out

i've seen people like me, classified as "morons" who get better pay then people who are smarter than me.

i've seen diploma students who are more competent than people with masters
i've seen diploma students earning at least 3 times what the masters are earning. at the same age. +- 1 or 2 years.

my point is
a higher qualification doesn't guarantee a better pay,
but the bosses sometimes have to make decisions because they will be audited.
two people equally impressive, one with a degree, one with a diploma,
the general manager will question the store manager, why the diploma guy was given a promotion over the degree guy
but if its the other way around, no questions asked.
so the store manager, who wants to keep things as simple as possible promotes the degree guy.

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Added on November 19, 2008, 11:02 pmsyukur?
yes.
but the malays should be familiar with this as well
work like you are gonna live to be a thousand
pray like you are gonna die tommorow

yes
syukur.

i was happy getting a small wage before this.
syukur.
yes.

then i read this thread and saw that i was being underpaid.
i looked around.
yes.
syukur.

syukur i looked around.

This post has been edited by ttwangsa: Nov 19 2008, 11:02 PM

to be managers, you probably need at least 8 years in the field.
but if you are good, maybe less time. 5 years exp is possible, maybe less.

i think java gets paid the most
then dot net
then java

don't know that many dot net developers

java and php are relatively open source
but php is scripting, so most hard core programmers think of it as a toy.

depends on company one. IT company paying 1.6k for freshies also got. IT companies paying 2.8 for freshies also got.

any idea how much a senior java/j2ee consultant can get in Klang valley?
7 years exp?
mnc?