Well, I mean like the right way to hit he ball, how to do good tackles or whatsoever... Its like an online coaching... you guys got me?

it's all about talents. hardworking can but it took time

natural talent?
i tink more about the correct technique.
I bought a book that taught all that...manage to benifits alot...

nah,look at Gattuso,he's not really full of tricks but he's a hardworking and passionate player which still makes him one of the best defensive midfielder in the world

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ok...for those who can't play well (like me) i am blaming on my talent

Make sure you got a lot of fitness first. Not much match fitness, with all those talents sure gone to waste as you can't defend or run for space later in the game.

From what I know in defense watch the opponents waist rather than his feet. This why it's harder for him to trick you where his gonna go.

Mind to share?

For me, a good way to challenge aerial ball is to push the opponent a bit so he wont get the ball. But remember, push him using your shoulder/body, don't use hands, its a foul.

So, any tips on crossing while running?

I play week in , week out futsal and field football.

This is my defending strategy (when the attacker is pushing the ball towards you) :

1) Make sure the attacker is at least one arms-length away

- you don't want to be so close to him / her (for the gals) because you aren't able to give buffer space for his / her movement against yours


2) Keep your eyes on the ball, not the player.

- Looking at the waist is not the best way because your focus on the ball will be lost!
- looking at the ball is the most crucial part in defending because you want to win the ball, not the player!
- if you look at the player, you'll probably be deceived by their body movement (dummy movements) and thus be easily dribbled past by them

3) Learn to run at pace backwards

- practice running backwards at pace
- whilst pressing an opponent, always be ready to turn either way to sprint when the ball is pushed past you

4) FINALLY, the MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF DEFENDING!!

- don't attempt to tackle the ball (by tackle, i don't mean sliding, i mean sticking your foot in . aka COMMIT)
- always wait for the offender to commit his movement before you move
- ONLY TACKLE when you're 110% sure that you have read his movement, and are able to win the ball

Defenders who don't follow this four strategies can't get far in the game.
IMHO.

@spikee
if he's too far, he'll have much space for long distance shooting... am I right?

Actually, to put it correctly, the best way to win an aerial challenge is all about positioning and reading of the game.

If you're in the right place, stand your ground. The opponent may try to jockey for position (push you) but you'll definitely win the ball if you stand your ground in your position and of course JUMP! haha

@spikee
so, how to find the right place?

i agree on hardwork and training..

The more you train the better you will be.

as for crossing while running with the ball.. all you need to do is to kick the ball and balance the ball and aim and concentrate..

Remember.. balance the ball.. not your body.. you may fall down when you deliver the cross.. but don't care... Fall down with style... lol

i would say. it's stamina that comes 1st. i usually put skills 2nd as i didn't do that well in skills

yea its true stamina counts
if u lack it half the time ure chasing shadows

use the force
to find better position XD

This post has been edited by -Adrian-: Nov 21 2007, 12:23 PM

when playing football i always use strategy. i'll pick the fastest player for half time, they'll do the scoring. the method are easy. always use long pass where u have to force your opponent runs alot and that would required lots of energy to begin with. since the have used lotsa energy at 1st half normally they will become slower at 2nd half and that's the time when skillful one also lost thier pace. then it comes for me to score. the stamina one rules

spikeee's tips for defending is spot on. Also remember not to open your legs to wide as smart opposing strikers will notice u looking at the ball and cheekily try to slot it between your legs if they can't out turn you as you're covering their angles, close enough to block their movement towards goal but not overly committed to give them space .

As they said "Ole" Thats the beauty of football

Stamina is the no1 thing for amateurs.

Boundless of stamina and a good solid base skill is a must when playing in full field.

Good base skill like receiving the ball. A lot of poor player fail on their first touch and see the ball bounce away.

Another is passing the ball, Adui a lot of ppl like to pass at full speed or lob to u instead of on the ground. On the ground is always easier.

Yups that's why the technique is called pressing .

Pressing = Staying at approximately one arms length away from the attacker.

That way, when you see that he's going for a shot, you can close him down instantly.
Or another scenario would be the space will give you time to adjust your body to shift directions if he's going to use pace to beat you.



well that depends on your vision of play. you've got to learn to estimate where the ball will reach when it's in the air. that takes practice, and lots of practice at that too!




Thanks JonC! i love attacking, but i usually play as a central defender because of my annoyingly loud voice, and physique! haha

@JonC
I've been ole'd too many times lol...

I'm not skillful enough and do not have enough goal scoring instinct to play anywhere else but in defense - right or left back. The only thing i have is to be at the right place at the right time to breakup an attack.

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Added on November 21, 2007, 3:53 pmThat's how i managed to learn... after i also got ole'd a lot especially in futsal matches!!!

This post has been edited by JonC: Nov 21 2007, 03:53 PM

alright, new question:

how do I lob the ball without damaging my studs?

Can you not damage your studs when playing football? I doubt so. Football boots undergo wear and tear. The studs will get thinner eventually. Back to the Q, I think the technique to lob the ball is to kick chop the bottom of the ball, like Beckham or like the goalkeepers kicking their goalkicks. Add more power to make the lob further.(hopefully you understand what I'm talking about )

On defensive headers, try to target the bottom half of the ball with your forehead; jump and head it upwards so that the ball will go far away from your goal. And channel your heading to the flanks so you'll give no chance for the opposition to make a 20-30 yarder Gerrard style. Another thing is jockeying, where you stood on your ground and didn't commit, like mentioned in the 1st page. Try to follow your opponent's movement and when you're certainly confident you tackle him. That's what I do when playing real and virtual football(winning eleven/pro evo ) and so far it's quite successful.

There's a site on BBC regarding football skills and techniques but I'm not sure whether people outside the UK will be able to watch it. BBC Football Skills. Also it might be useful to know a little bit of other techniques, such as the Cruyff Turn. It might come handy when you're stuck in the corner. And there are also many skills like the Zico's, Adriano's and Rai's flick to learn which I found quite interesting.

Anyway I made a thread on football coaching(now a few pages back) regarding issues of coaching etc. I'm wondering if anybody's into coaching, or planning to get into coaching?

This post has been edited by easypeasy: Nov 21 2007, 07:32 PM

Quit smoking everyone to get better skills and stamina.

always be 100% commited when u tackle.
eyes on d ball.
always have a ball at your feet, play around wit it.. when possible.. trust me it makes a difference. ( im not saying take d ball along when u got to d loo & sleeping).. try juggling a lot.

This post has been edited by jackanory: Nov 21 2007, 07:35 PM

anybody know how to juggle?
im pretty decent at playing but my balance with ball is rather.... unbalanced lol

as a defender
top class matches u must your head to clear

but its ok to use your knee too (like i do lol but i know its wrong)
guess its my own technique
just as long as your friend can receive it (rather effective i might say XD)

must mark the striker who usually is the target for passes

sometimes it depends on your confidence too. If you know sometimes u can do it but sometimes dont, then always make urself think that you can do it. Over a period of time, the success rate will be a lot higher.

Another thing is, always have the "miracle" thinking. always anticipate something will happen. I always have this mentality, and i had scored many last-minute-and-important goals.

how bout u forming a team and be the coach and try to get sponsor?
I would be glad be join ur team as a player...
nowadays at KL seldom have chance to play football other than follow datuk Jonno to play futsal and with some other friends...
would b good if i can join some team and have regular football...

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Added on November 21, 2007, 8:24 pmfocus and eyes on the ball....

as I juggle for some time...i notice that my body is getting tired and that stops me from keep on juggling...
any1 mind to tunjuk ajar a bit?

This post has been edited by pandazhun: Nov 21 2007, 08:24 PM

how long do you usually juggle?4 hours?hahaha

less than half an hour then get tired d....

Actually what is important is you develop your own technique. Eg, the way u kick, the way u hit the ball. I doubt anyone can teach how to kick a ball through online or videos effectively.

but what is recommended is try to spend more time learning the basics of the game rather than learning how to do 'skills'. Basics as in tactically or positioning. Also, train what you think is most beneficial to your style of playing in your position.

Dont la you play center defender and then waste time learning how to kick free kicks or curl a ball. Try to emphasize more on the technical areas after you truly understand what the position you currently playing needs. peace

I heard someone mentioned about forming a team. Count me in as well. I can be RB and CB.

i wouldn't mind partnering u in CB too lol

let's form a team!
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/558626

haha i play every week in a full field. if one or two of you interested, you can always join my team. we usually have a full 11 vs 11 side every week

there is no other way to master juggling technique if you
don't practice every day.this technique is crucial for striker
cause striker need to learn how to receive and balance the ball.
i think juggling technique was a part of important technique
to playing better football.

defender also need to use any part of his body to receive the ball
if u are one on one with opponent whose has a ball,lower your body
and dont take off your eyes on ball.(if u see how basketball player
defend,then u will know) .this will make sure that u have enough time to react
according to opponent movement.

True, play using ur own style, coz diff ppl haf diff body physique and haf diff body balance.. wat may work for another may screw u up...

if u want get quicker,or quick feet go this site...
courtesy of nike

nike zoom training

let's discuss. which positions require the following attributes the most and why?


1. pace
2. stamina
3. agility
4. aggression
5. composure

thats more of a striker's attribute cause as we all know pace is really important for strikers to run through defenders and they do need alot of stamina cause of their constant running around the penalty box and for long balls passed to them,as for agility u need to be quick with your respond to put the ball into the net,strikers also need to be aggressive to out-muscle stronger defenders and finally composure,thats to stay calm and score!

i always ply CB ... and wat i like is to get the ball n start running... do a Counter Atk ? lol... it's quite fun.. wen all the people are attacking u suddenly push them back.. i don't do it often tho.. quite dangerous as im not so gud in passing thru the defenders... onli works wen the other teams defends slack off ..

I'm more to Terry type of defender. I only go up when there's corner.

u stay tall as teryy also i guess???

haha,me too!i play as CB too and i love it whenever i get the ball in my own half and run up towards the opposition's half!

Nah, only 176cm. How I wish I can be 180cm. But I'm stable.. cause i'm *cough*fat*cough*..

well height doesn't really matter does it?i mean there are a few good centre-backs that are not really tall like Roberto Ayala,he's 175 cm and Fabio Cannavaro's 176 cm but as far as i know they can jump very high

Yeah height wasn't really a matter but weight is..

football skills ?
sometimes i see players doing skills on youtube...and then, just bring a ball and go to an empty ground....then, starts to practice it....
sometimes, runs with the ball, and you will discover some new skills....HAH..

anyone can tell me, who is good in acceleration and pace ?
izzit really a gift or you gain it from training ?

You need to run around with the ball control. Basically the players with pace are usually makes the defender looks stupid. The ball are like stick with the boots..

I don't have pace (Not too heavy but having 190 cm height makes it difficult to sprint for me), I suck at defending...All I do is always sticking with the opposition backline, and poach for "unglorious" tap-in goals....

How am I gonna improve as a CF?
Any suggestions?

P/S: Always being booed for running slow....Always benched even though scoring...

SephiRave, u're a peter Crouch. haha... seriously. U'r 190cm? damn, dat's tall. I'm only 180cm & i love playing CM or DM. I prefer to stay in the centre field rather than making run at the side.

Hey man, take ur height as a blessing. If u hav a good crosser in ur team, then u'r height is one big advantage. Learn how to chest down the ball & control it. U can make a darting run till the far end, & someone might crossed it to u. Jump (because u're tall, when u jump, u will definately win the ball if u applied the right tactic) & chest the ball down, or head it to ur team mates around. Heading will be a HUGE advantage. When comes to set pieces, with such height, u dominate the air, man. Learn to time ur jump correctly & make contact on the ball with ur forehead. Master ur heading, eg direction of ur header, then u, my friend will be the every defenders' nightmare....

Hardly any.. cause this says it all..



You might as well train your header and chest. Maybe shooting skills? and accuracy?

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Added on November 25, 2007, 9:46 pmI am a good crosser.. ... Well at least my crossing will definitely not to make people run like crazy. I got good accuracy.

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Added on November 25, 2007, 9:47 pmBtw bro, wanna play some football? Join the team! Click on the thread under my siggy.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Nov 25 2007, 09:47 PM

One thing is that....The crossers in my team does not gel well with me...
One thing is because I tend to chest the ball than heading...(My heading sucks)
And their cross is like shooting, once kena the head sure headache, even kena the chest also a bit pain.
In the box I normally use my body to outmuscle the defenders to find some space...

Bro, practice makes perfect. No one was born a good header. Try to get one of ur fren who's able to cross the ball & practice with him. It benefits both side, u can practice header, while ur fren can practice crossings. Try to talk to them & make everything clear lo. They wan to play football, & so do u, rite?

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Added on November 25, 2007, 9:58 pmhehe. quite confident ar, kawan. haha. I'm not good in crossing, but i love making through pass, finding gap between oppsition & make the killer pass. That's the kind of player I am. haha...


This post has been edited by ervinliew86: Nov 25 2007, 09:58 PM

haha,how heavy are you?

Do like Crouch, bicycle kick it in.. scare all the defenders away by jumping high in the air and smashin in ball into the the back of the net XD

My weight is 78kg

well,i practice heading like this,i throw the ball towards the wall and header it,trying not to let the ball touch the ground haha

so that u can repeatly head the ball against the post during matches?
good way to practise directing the ball with ur head though

This post has been edited by pandazhun: Nov 25 2007, 11:54 PM

glancing header..........will not be so pain

the prob is many ppl cant cross properly
too low or too high difficult to anticipate and go into position

but shuldnt be an excuse if pro already XD

glancing will be the rite way
as long as in rite direction lol

yea but keep your eyes open when you glance,remember get to the ball,don't let the ball gets you!

Yeah most people who hit headers close their headers. mistake no 1

you mean close their eyes?

lol, my eyes will blind if got hit by the new adidas teamgeist lol...

trust me.. heading the ball is not that painful if u head it with ur forehead.

Very heavy. But that makes me a steady central defender.. So, yeah. I was previously play right midfield, defensive midfield.. and now central defender.. sounds like downgrading.. But I'm still okay with crossing.. So SephiRave, come with me.. I'll cross the ball for you.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Nov 26 2007, 07:28 PM

Haha, I would love to...(If got chance in the future)
Now only finished SPM

Then can la.. Where you stay? PJ KL?

yeah too many ppl keep their eyes closed when heading. that's not good technique

I think I'm an all rounder but my weakness should be I cant dribble. But this is not important. Another weakness is when I come to play against player who are bigger size than me, I can really win headers and shield the ball from them. How to make myself tougher bit?

@prelude
for me, I do push ups 2 times a day, 100 every session... So far so good, playing versus form 5 guys that has 170/180++ height... no probs, wins almost every time...huhu...

I really hope I do have a determination like you. Goodjob mate.

yeah, but after raya, all of that had stopped, banyak makan kuih raya..lol...

Use the speed. Bigger size are mostly can't move that fast. But if you facing an experience defender then is another story.

i had a friend in my school who's 175 cm,75 kg and he can run like a pitbull

I'm 176cm and obesity but I got explosion speed. Just that no stamina. Plus, I'm a defender nowadays. So is okay for me I guess.

I used to play in the Selangor League, now I just play social futsal twice a week.

I'm a natural striker and occasional winger.

Anything I can help?

yeah, I would like to know if there's any training that can make myself balanced while dribbling...

how do you really strike the ball with accuracy?i mean as in shooting,i am okay with my long and short passes but shooting seems to be my biggest problem

This post has been edited by Doctor Who?: Nov 29 2007, 11:16 AM

Join the football thread?

Same here. I always having that problem when I'm a midfielder. But now I'm defender so doesn't make any big difference as I only need to clear the ball up up..

agreed! lol, but hey, for me, I do finesse shot like in FIFA 07/08 but heck, I'm lack of goal scoring instinct so, never score larhh...

i used to play as striker when playing futsal, usually scores every game
and leftback in field football because not enough stamina, but i have good acceleration

so anyone care to enlighten us?

enlighten what? O.o

erm,how to strike the ball with swift accuracy?

lol
I thought I replied already? lol

It really depends on WHAT type of shot you want to strike. Do you want to strike it with power? Do you want to strike it for positioning? Do you want to chip it?

1. Power - The best manner to strike it with power is to strike it with the inner front part of your foot. The positioning of your non-striking foot is very important too for you to gain balance.

Be careful not to dig TOO deep under the ball or else you'll end up like the old Kanu - Missing sitters right in frnt of Goal.

2. Positioning - Depending on whether you're going for near post or far post and with which leg (natural sided leg or non natural sided leg) you are going to strike it with.

Scenario :

Natural Side Leg - Right Footed
Attacking from - Left of Midfield
Aimed Position - Far Post

You want to slice the ball from inside to outside with your INSOLE. Almost like a pass, but far greater slice involved.


3. Chip Shot

You just want to dig a bit into the ball and lift it into the air. Requires lots of practice, of course haha

Chip shot will destroy your studs...haha... unless you play in old trafford lol...

oh,i see!thanks for the info!

err...guys~ please help me, i dunno how to balance my body...

just try to learn to fall down with style...

lol..

my ronaldo skills in WE2008 (PS3)

To follow-up on spikee's tips on kicking / striking the ball:

Make sure your standing leg - ie your left leg if you're a right footer, is parallel to the ball so your kicking leg and foot position will give you more balance, accuracy and power. Lean your body forward to keep your shots lower and hard. If you open up your body or lean back slightly, your foot and body position will make you curl the ball and lift the ball high.

Hope this helps!

@JonC
thanks, just tried... really cool, the ball traveling forward hastily