Phenom is in between K8 and Core2 Duo, following Core2 Duo quite close behind.

Went for the spider launch, i was seriously as impressed as Voltaire on his deathbed talking to a priest. Phenom simply isn't the magic bullet to kill Intel, and with it's shitty yields, how can AMD even beat them on cost?

Not even sure it's yields at this point. Looks like they still have some pretty substantial design issues that have yet to be fixed. TLB is one of them. Probably many speedpaths too.

The PR dude said that their yields were very good and that they were shipping in bulk. Then i asked, when can we expect in say the hands of customers, he said late January.

Logically if you're shipping enough chips, you'd be able to satisfy both OEM and Retail markets at the same time as Intel has done, but i guess this isn't the case if it's going to reach so late.

Sorry, i should clarify, i meant problems with the process itself. Looks like their problem is not so much in the fab right now.

That's marketting to you. From what I've gathered, AMD's gonna ship to their paymasters first which are Dell and Compaq (Which in the process is gonna starve the market as it is) and then see what they can salvage at retail front IF and only IF the price point is revised

Found a bit of interesting news on Tom's hardware Phenom review

Tom's Phenom review & conclusion -- wrong?

Is Tom's H a AMD fanboy?

at least they dont bombard amd phenom unlike Anandtech............ intel fanboyism spotted

This post has been edited by Laguna: Nov 26 2007, 07:04 PM

You might want to take a stab at Kyle too while you're at it.....

He got one Phenom runnin' at 3GHz here HardOCP: AMD Phenom & Spider vs Intel QX9770

Conclusion is clock performance scaling not very good...

Anyways, anyone got any info on their workaround for the TLB issues, fish asserts that there's 10 percent perf hit, i'm very much inclined to believe, but sources are scarce.

The one who made the mistake there was AMD

They wanted to ship all those benchmarkers to some god forsaken place and test their hardware under their control. Is that benchmark? No.

Nobody would want to read reviews that has been done under control conditions by the AMD, would you?

yeah that is one thing they restrict everything during the expo in warsaw there hmm amd should be blame also.........

SB700 is quite ready to team up with 790fx, replacing the aging SB600 southbridge. Sample picture of foxconn 790FX+SB700. If only phenom is a bit better.

Let see if TLB issues fixed can help our poor phenom.

5-10% hit. Of course the sources are scarce, i didn't read that on the internets.

I thought the errata could cause the system to hang at speeds > 2.4 ?

the key to win here is price. thats how amd always win.

that's not SB700 i think..
as i'm recalled they support 6 satas n no ide..
that's why i chose SB600.. which support 4 satas n ide.. still need them though..

[SIZE=1]I don't think it has anything to do with the clock speeds, actually. It's probably one of the errata mentioned here, 248.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_ty..._docs/41322.pdf
Looks like it only affects virtualization.


No, not really. They never won much until they had decent performance with the K7 and K8.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Nov 29 2007, 03:32 PM

Maybe. Or, it might be 2 ports more underneath the watermark. IDE might supported by third party controller.

*EDIT
http://www.pckoloji.com/index.php?option=c...=441&Itemid=109
4 sata port. Box clearly stated SB700.


This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Nov 29 2007, 03:46 PM

K6(-2/3) was quite a competitor on non-performance/brand-name boxes.

But that's essentially... meh.