can beat EPF ....here is real life example
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Low cost flat vs high rental condo.
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May 10 2026, 01:26 PM
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For those who don't believe low end properties can beat EPF ....here is real life example Attached thumbnail(s) samftrmd liked this post
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May 10 2026, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ May 10 2026, 01:26 PM) Got people don't believe meh?But from copilot's calculation, in 20 years time, epf can out perform my 200k flat with 700 rental. QUOTE Letβs compare RM200,000 invested in EPF vs RM200,000 in a rental property generating RM730/month. --- π Scenario 1: EPF (Compounding at 5.5%) - Formula: \(200,000 \times (1.055)^5\) - Value after 5 years β RM259,000 - Total gain β RM59,000 --- π Scenario 2: Rental Property - Monthly rental income = RM730 - Annual rental income = RM730 Γ 12 = RM8,760 - Over 5 years = RM8,760 Γ 5 = RM43,800 - Property value appreciation (assuming 3% per year): \[ 200,000 \times (1.03)^5 \approx 231,900 \] - Total value = RM231,900 + RM43,800 = RM275,700 --- βοΈ Comparison
--- π Insights - Rental wins slightly (RM275k vs RM259k) if property appreciates at ~3% annually. - EPF is safer: government-backed, liquid, no tenant risk. - Rental has risks: vacancy, maintenance, market downturns β but offers cash flow (RM730/month) which EPF doesnβt. - Over longer horizons (10β20 years), EPF compounding can catch up or surpass rental if property appreciation slows. |
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May 10 2026, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ May 10 2026, 01:58 PM) Got people don't believe meh? u forgot to include expenses and headaches dealing with tenants? But from copilot's calculation, in 20 years time, epf can out perform my 200k flat with 700 rental. but like what many others said... good luck and use it as a great learning experience... (unless u r lucky like some that have family members doing work for free to manage such apartments... lol) |
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May 10 2026, 02:40 PM
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If me, I would put that cash in KWSP, etc instead of buying investment property.
Property game is not same like those days. |
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May 10 2026, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ May 10 2026, 01:58 PM) Got people don't believe meh? Bro your maths is faulty.But from copilot's calculation, in 20 years time, epf can out perform my 200k flat with 700 rental. 1 . You compare a nett rental return of 4.4% against EPF 5.5% Your property at a disadvantage already... 2. Returns from EPF you keep and compound them , Return from monthly rental you just keep under your pillow?? taking away it's compounding effect for 20 years!! Mathematically speaking that is a fatal error Irredeemable Because compounding it over 20 years makes a very big difference! Is there any wonder your calculations gave you wrong results?? Just take any P from my sample above, check see if you put that same amount of money in EPF in 2012, Now 14 years later how much would it be... |
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May 10 2026, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(GOPI56 @ May 10 2026, 02:40 PM) If me, I would put that cash in KWSP, etc instead of buying investment property. According to TS, he already outright own the place. worth 200K (assuming he sells it), but rental is at [edit: it is below] less than 800rm. so the gross yield is not even 5% pa. EPF does appear superior just based on updated gross numbers. Property game is not same like those days. hope he really analyse rationally and properly... the yield comparison is vs current worth of the property, not vs original price of 70K. This post has been edited by Wedchar2912: May 10 2026, 02:52 PM |
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May 10 2026, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 10 2026, 02:35 PM) (unless u r lucky like some that have family members doing work for free to manage such apartments... lol) I pay 1 k a month, sell 1 prop I gave another 2 -5k... I lent money for him to buy his 10 units at zero interest and there are all around same areas so not much extra work Every year AP rm2-3k, plus free hotel stay and dinner for all family members at CNY gathering, past umpteen years.... |
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May 10 2026, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 10 2026, 02:35 PM) u forgot to include expenses and headaches dealing with tenants? I kind of lucky to have tenants who always pay on time. The first tenant is a Arab lecturer that is the worst. Although he pay on time, but he drill lots of hole on the wall and saw off the windows bars to install aircon.but like what many others said... good luck and use it as a great learning experience... (unless u r lucky like some that have family members doing work for free to manage such apartments... lol) After that, the rest of my tenants are all OK. I rented to Malay, Indian, and Indon. Wedchar2912 liked this post
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May 11 2026, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ May 10 2026, 02:50 PM) According to TS, he already outright own the place. worth 200K (assuming he sells it), but rental is at [edit: it is below] less than 800rm. so the gross yield is not even 5% pa. EPF does appear superior just based on updated gross numbers. hope he really analyse rationally and properly... the yield comparison is vs current worth of the property, not vs original price of 70K. Factually speaking, to ask which is better, property vs EPF. I would go by facts rather than speculation... 1. Fact is what has been shown happening so far. past 10-20 years..... no speculation no predictions..... 2. Speculation is trying to predict the future 10-20 years... What makes you think things would go drastically bad for property and EPF dividend will keep going same ?? If you have good stocks in hand why you think it is better to sell and convert to EPF......? |
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May 12 2026, 09:41 AM
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ May 10 2026, 04:25 PM) I kind of lucky to have tenants who always pay on time. The first tenant is a Arab lecturer that is the worst. Although he pay on time, but he drill lots of hole on the wall and saw off the windows bars to install aircon. so after write so much, what is your decision?After that, the rest of my tenants are all OK. I rented to Malay, Indian, and Indon. |
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May 12 2026, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(gashout @ May 12 2026, 09:41 AM) My initial plan is to buy a life condo for my parents, but the suitable location that my parents prefer and condition that satisfy me (dual key to rent out) would cost both my own stay and rental unit and still short a couple of hundred k. So that's out of the picture for now.Then I thought about my age, in less than 10 years I'll be able to withdraw from epf, might as well sell the rental unit and transfer it to my epf. But the I'll lost the current rental income that I give all to my father as his own expenses. So, I'm thinking to maintain as is so my father can collect rent. Plus, I'm waiting for the lawfirm to get my house grant. Expect to wait for some time, so I'm not in a rush to sell at the moment. |
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May 13 2026, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ May 12 2026, 04:01 PM) My initial plan is to buy a life condo for my parents, but the suitable location that my parents prefer and condition that satisfy me (dual key to rent out) would cost both my own stay and rental unit and still short a couple of hundred k. So that's out of the picture for now. parents, old age, condo, don't mix wellThen I thought about my age, in less than 10 years I'll be able to withdraw from epf, might as well sell the rental unit and transfer it to my epf. But the I'll lost the current rental income that I give all to my father as his own expenses. So, I'm thinking to maintain as is so my father can collect rent. Plus, I'm waiting for the lawfirm to get my house grant. Expect to wait for some time, so I'm not in a rush to sell at the moment. social life, mobility, health access.... better landed... we will see more old age living in condo and im not fond of this situation |
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May 13 2026, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE(gashout @ May 13 2026, 05:22 AM) parents, old age, condo, don't mix well Condo got lift, got maintenance. Landed much more expensive and need to maintain. Less security.social life, mobility, health access.... better landed... we will see more old age living in condo and im not fond of this situation gashout liked this post
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May 13 2026, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE(samftrmd @ May 13 2026, 07:10 AM) Correct security is very good....for some like La Vista Condo....too good till couriers can't go up you got to come down to collect your parcels before man complained...The down side is maintenance fee tm450 is madness for my parents don't use them at all .....in this sense I prefer landed .... |
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May 13 2026, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ May 13 2026, 07:37 AM) Correct security is very good....for some like La Vista Condo....too good till couriers can't go up you got to come down to collect your parcels before man complained... I'm not looking for one right now, but if I can afford to buy one, I intend to rent out the dual key and use it to cover the fees. Consider the facilities and security, I think the fee is reasonable. And I prefer to go down to collect delivery instead of stranger coming up in front of my door.The down side is maintenance fee tm450 is madness for my parents don't use them at all .....in this sense I prefer landed .... |
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May 13 2026, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(gashout @ May 13 2026, 12:09 PM) Nowadays landed also got guarded sucurity. But the price will be premium lar. gashout liked this post
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