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post Apr 30 2026, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 30 2026, 06:33 PM)
Look up Ohlins Europe VS Ohlins Japan spring rates, particularly JDM cars like FL5 86 BRZ MX5 etc

Then it really holds true (cuz Ohlins Japan)

But between KW V3 and Ohlins DFV Europe/international, their spring rates alone (don't mistake for actual stiffness and/or harshness) are very identical on the same car
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The Volvo PE Ohlins set I gotten is made in Japan. So maybe that's why.

I think Polestar 1 gotten the Sweden set, I seen a lot of pictures before pulled the trigger. Actually kinda surprise to see the engraved Made in Japan when I received mine.
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Apr 30 2026, 06:41 PM)
The Volvo PE Ohlins set I gotten is made in Japan. So maybe that's why.

I think Polestar 1 gotten the Sweden set, I seen a lot of pictures before pulled the trigger. Actually kinda surprise to see the engraved Made in Japan when I received mine.
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And that explains it!
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KsSnpbnjLWDMCpa87?g_st=ac
https://ohlins-czj.jp/

I basically ban Japanese suspensions (irony having a JDM) sweat.gif

It's like Ohlins Thailand for lower end motorcycle products (interestingly those have 2 way adjustment despite being a "basic suspension " without DFV lol)
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Apr 27 2026, 02:35 PM)

i mention that not directly for you, as there just people want every element from the EV but not accept the con. cough cough andrekua cough
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LOL

Not sure where I mentioned I cant accept EV cons... besides if one dont even know what he uses the car for and the type of vehicle he should buy in the first place, then it is his own fault... Personally I never promote EV because the battery tech is still catching up and more importantly China being in the fore front means dont expect backward compatibility in the medium to long run.


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post May 1 2026, 07:32 PM

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In tomyumland the emas 7 low spec 90k comes with the 60kw battery. Means overpriced here lah.. walao.

I was quite impressed to see Mudah ads start at 85k for prime model.. if its the bigger battery one really win. we need more competition in Malaysia so price can better reflect the actual value... now is just ripping us off because they can.
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QUOTE(Jason @ May 1 2026, 07:32 PM)
In tomyumland the emas 7 low spec 90k comes with the 60kw battery. Means overpriced here lah.. walao.

I was quite impressed to see Mudah ads start at 85k for prime model.. if its the bigger battery one really win. we need more competition in Malaysia so price can better reflect the actual value... now is just ripping us off because they can.
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gov protecting p1 p2 and others... competition only allowed on high price models...

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QUOTE(Jason @ May 1 2026, 07:32 PM)
In tomyumland the emas 7 low spec 90k comes with the 60kw battery. Means overpriced here lah.. walao.

I was quite impressed to see Mudah ads start at 85k for prime model.. if its the bigger battery one really win. we need more competition in Malaysia so price can better reflect the actual value... now is just ripping us off because they can.
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Why in madaniland high compared to tomyumland, tax or what? 😅💦
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post May 3 2026, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ Apr 28 2026, 03:32 PM)
Geely use CATL Qilin for their high spec variant with NMC.
Only LFP model use in-house battery.

CATL Qilin can withstand severe damage, pass the nail penetration test as other LFP.

All brands battery can catch fire, not design issue but manufacturing defect. EV fire iterally happening in China almost daily.

BYD tends to oversell, over commit, I don't trust their marketing.

CATL is pure supplier to all global customers. You can bet them to keep CATL in check. Engineers look at datasheet, perform in-house testing, qualify multiple suppliers to benchmark. No one can hide behind pretty PPT.
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Oic, so it is probably the Byd marketing failed you or down to personal preference. Got it.
Competition is healthy though. With these many battery makers in China, it creates an ecosystem even though the competition is cut throat.
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post May 3 2026, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(hjack @ May 3 2026, 10:31 AM)
Oic, so it is probably the Byd marketing failed you or down to personal preference. Got it.
Competition is healthy though. With these many battery makers in China, it creates an ecosystem even though the competition is cut throat.
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Not my personal preference but real world experience of dealing with Chuna supply chain.

They are top notch at following customers' requirement, operators are like machines. Moving things our of China is actually very painful for private sector, just had to do it for geopolitical de-risk

The opposite for their local regulatory, lab certification, industrial certification within China doesn't hold the weight.

So CATL business model win the trust naturally.
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QUOTE(constant_weight @ May 3 2026, 11:07 AM)
The opposite for their local regulatory, lab certification, industrial certification within China doesn't hold the weight.

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ya...this issue is one of the major sticking points, can have really large variations in consistency if don't monitor them yourself internally...

only those tier 1 suppliers that serve big international brand names can be better trusted

hope china really put in effort to fix this and create trust, or else all their breakthroughs will always be seen in a negative light.
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Thank you so much for all the information providing, looks like the stability of battery is a very big concern, hopefully in 1 or 2 years battery can be more consistent.
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post May 6 2026, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(KiMe @ May 6 2026, 11:15 AM)
Thank you so much for all the information providing, looks like the stability of battery is a very big concern, hopefully in 1 or 2 years battery can be more consistent.
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technically, china will enforce new more stringent battery regulation GB38031-2025 starting 1st July this year for new type approvals and by 1st July 2027 for all current approved models.

It states that batteries must not catch fire or explode within 5 minutes.

So you can look for new models that are launched in china 2 months later or if really conservative, just wait for one more year that all cars built past 1st july 2027 will comply to this regulation.
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post May 14 2026, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(KiMe @ May 6 2026, 11:15 AM)
Thank you so much for all the information providing, looks like the stability of battery is a very big concern, hopefully in 1 or 2 years battery can be more consistent.
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So have you make up your mind? I just happen to read from page 1 since i'm interested on getting E.Mas 5 for myself as secondary car to replace my soon going to be 12 years Myvi. The only issue i have with this 2nd Gen Myvi is the aircon, especially in Malaysia weather now (getting hotter) lunch break with this car can just make everyone sweating if you parked under the sun for 30mins time. Because i have to blast the aircon, my Fuel Economy is rated at 8.5km/L, Town area with speed average less than 70KM (Mostly at 50Km/h) during work days. Premium quite ideal at 325KM range, it should be enough to last a week for me, then charge at parent house as my own apartment have no charging facilities.

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ May 14 2026, 04:17 PM)
So have you make up your mind? I just happen to read from page 1 since i'm interested on getting E.Mas 5 for myself as secondary car to replace my soon going to be 12 years Myvi. The only issue i have with this 2nd Gen Myvi is the aircon, especially in Malaysia weather now (getting hotter) lunch break with this car can just make everyone sweating if you parked under the sun for 30mins time. Because i have to blast the aircon, my Fuel Economy is rated at 8.5km/L, Town area with speed average less than 70KM (Mostly at 50Km/h) during work days. Premium quite ideal at 325KM  range, it should be enough to last a week for me, then charge at parent house as my own apartment have no charging facilities.
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My wife also considering replacing her Myvi G3 with an Ev.

I am using Byd M6. Total silence, strong pickup, regenerative braking, L2 driving, limited service need, no exhaust fumes and etc, is an elevated experience for me.
Knowing EV heat efficiency is 90%+ versus ICE < 50%, also makes me feel a bit less guilty to the environment every time I drive.
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post May 15 2026, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 6 2026, 04:09 PM)
technically, china will enforce new more stringent battery regulation GB38031-2025 starting 1st July this year for new type approvals and by 1st July 2027 for all current approved models.

It states that batteries must not catch fire or explode within 5 minutes.

So you can look for new models that are launched in china 2 months later or if really conservative, just wait for one more year that all cars built past 1st july 2027 will comply to this regulation.
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Hahaha, everyone need to passed the regulation except one national backed brand <you know who> can get certified under table no matter what.

Conspiracy aside, most fire issues are not battery design itself. It is manufacturing defects. Looking at battery structure, you can see the margin of error is super thin.

Sample sent for test is of course passed, but who is the unlucky poor felle.

Coming CATL gel based electrolyte "condensed battery" is the revolutionary until "forever coming soon" solid state battery arrives to mass market.
The gel is impossible to get lit at all.
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post May 15 2026, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(hjack @ May 14 2026, 05:34 PM)
My wife also considering replacing her Myvi G3 with an Ev.

I am using Byd M6. Total silence, strong pickup, regenerative braking, L2 driving, limited service need, no exhaust fumes and etc, is an elevated experience for me.
Knowing EV heat efficiency is 90%+ versus ICE < 50%, also makes me feel a bit less guilty to the environment every time I drive.
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Many people debate that EV is not "green and environment friendly" because of battery production, batery recycling issue, short battery lifespan and it is not green as the electricity powered by fossil fuel, coal etc.

EV battery production no doubt is involve in certain polution, but the production process keep evolving. Those retarded people do not that battery isn't appear now but many decades. Battery recycling is a long existed business and recycling isn't any issue.

Electricity isn't green? Bear in mind those advanced countries like Japan, Singapore, Korea, Australia etc they rely on fossil fuel, coals or nuclear to generate electric. Those countries with great public transports need more electric. Electric efficiency is much higher than fuel powered vehicles. ICE cars highest is 45% thermal efficiency while EV car energy efficiecy always in 90%.

Many people misunderstand EV car use electric save environment, not many people aware that wear and tear and maintenance also contribute to build green environment. No engine and transmission oil (some EV do need of motor oil and gear oil but long tenure change once), no spark plug, engine mounting, fan belt etc. These items not also save cost but also save environment. EV car is much simple in structure with less wear and tear parts. Most of the time EV car components spoilt no need repair, just replace a new one.

In case many people do not know, in many EV related components the suppliers are required to apply sustainable materials and recycled material that help to achieve greater environment friendly.
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post May 15 2026, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(autodriver @ May 15 2026, 08:21 AM)
Many people debate that EV is not "green and environment friendly" because of battery production, batery recycling issue, short battery lifespan and it is not green as the electricity powered by fossil fuel, coal etc.

EV battery production no doubt is involve in certain polution, but the production process keep evolving. Those retarded people do not that battery isn't appear now but many decades. Battery recycling is a long existed business and recycling isn't any issue.

Electricity isn't green? Bear in mind those advanced countries like Japan, Singapore, Korea, Australia etc they rely on fossil fuel, coals or nuclear to generate electric. Those countries with great public transports need more electric. Electric efficiency is much higher than fuel powered vehicles. ICE cars highest is 45% thermal efficiency while EV car energy efficiecy always in 90%.

Many people misunderstand EV car use electric save environment, not many people aware that wear and tear and maintenance also contribute to build green environment. No engine and transmission oil (some EV do need of motor oil and gear oil but long tenure change once), no spark plug, engine mounting, fan belt etc. These items not also save cost but also save environment. EV car is much simple in structure with less wear and tear parts. Most of the time EV car components spoilt no need repair, just replace a new one.

In case many people do not know, in many EV related components the suppliers are required to apply sustainable materials and recycled material that help to achieve greater environment friendly.
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Entropy. There is no free energy. Even solar panel and wind turbine manufacturing cost pollution. The holy grail fusion, extracting Deuterium and make Tritium cost energy.

I'm not saint, I separate the waste and recycling at home, feeling proud of it already.

I buy what's suitable. I'm supporter of PHEV, the continental type PHEV to be specific. Engine as main power source, the EV part is to boost performance, reduce turbo lag, best thing is cheat WLTP to get hybrid incentive for most countries including Malaysia. I do charge constantly at home, car leave home at full charge, not the type of owner that never charge their PHEV.

I don't like the ICE as Range Extender EV type of PHEV with tiny 1.5L NA engine. Exception is the Zeekr 8X and 9X... performance is the key, not about the saving.
Deep inside heart, when time is right want a 9000rpm 4.0L NA car. So that you see I accept all types of power delivery systems.

I bought EV for my wife simply because it is suitable for her use case. Long wait between kid activity, short distance but long hours.
Sometimes the wait is too long and bored, but too short to go back home and come back out again, parents will know the pain.

Don't really care about efficiency, 100kwh+ battery brute force to get the range from 2.5 tonnes fatty with stupid amount of horsepower not needed on a family SUV, no complains.

Want sustainable and save the earth then please buy A segment small light weight city car like Axia or EV with tiny 30kwh battery.
Don't tell me want to be sustainable with EV but bought high-end 3s 0-100kph EV... want something fancy please just be direct and honest as me lol...

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QUOTE(constant_weight @ May 15 2026, 07:39 AM)
Hahaha, everyone need to passed the regulation except one national backed brand <you know who> can get certified under table no matter what.

Conspiracy aside, most fire issues are not battery design itself. It is manufacturing defects. Looking at battery structure, you can see the margin of error is super thin.

Sample sent for test is of course passed, but who is the unlucky poor felle.

Coming CATL gel based electrolyte "condensed battery" is the revolutionary until "forever coming soon" solid state battery arrives to mass market.
The gel is impossible to get lit at all.
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That explains why insurance and car makes are very conservative towards any dent or scratches of the main exterior battery casing....

But still, a national standards is still something that should be applauded, gives the industry a focus to try to meet and reduce the risk on that specific area of risk. I'm more positive on this aspect as china wants to uphold the image of being the grand master in EV (although of course there are quite some issues with deleted negative comments or userids get wiped out when they comment negatively for some selected EV brands)

Condensed battery really sexy lah....i also drool when reading through the specs, just not sure the cost and which car make/model will apply it. Somehow it was MG4's semi solid/liquid battery that got rolled to mass consumer market.

CATL need to really have quicker integration and collaboration with the car makes to put in their new gen batteries. As time goes on after BYD fully rolled out their 2nd gen blade battery, refreshing and releasing car models using this new gen battery and mass deployment of their flash charging station, CATL's response to BYD's mass push does sound more of marketing "reminders" of their prowess and 刷存在感 instead of something that is readily and mass availability.

After all, how good you can produce but majority of consumers don't get it, not relevant at the end.

QUOTE(autodriver @ May 15 2026, 08:21 AM)
EV battery production no doubt is involve in certain polution, but the production process keep evolving. Those retarded people do not that battery isn't appear now but many decades. Battery recycling is a long existed business and recycling isn't any issue.

Electricity isn't green? Bear in mind those advanced countries like Japan, Singapore, Korea, Australia etc they rely on fossil fuel, coals or nuclear to generate electric. Those countries with great public transports need more electric. Electric efficiency is much higher than fuel powered vehicles. ICE cars highest is 45% thermal efficiency while EV car energy efficiecy always in 90%.

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2 aspects to look into

Firstly, coal/fossil fuel energy generation is no doubt polluting. But the energy "extraction" has higher general efficiency due to concentrated and focused process of energy extraction (they can set it to operate at the most efficient state; while vehicle engines need to operate in wide range of rpm, driving behaviour and external environment, fuel types etc), and also the pollution mitigation is "easier" to implement/manage and control as again, it is done in a single location. Vehicles are on the road, on the hands of many million individuals, making it much harder and less cost efficient for pollution mitigation. And engines itself has limited thermal efficiency, and those are measured at the most efficient operating point, not really the real average lifetime efficiency of different operating conditions (as opposed to power generator to always adjust to the peak optimal range). Also, some power plants have the feature of capturing exhaust heat, upping the thermal efficiency further.

Secondly, there is another secondary benefit of EV. Imagine the environment of schools where hundreds of parents are waiting to drop off or pick up their child at the school entrance. If most of the cars there are EV, imagine how little noise there is, how little exhaust fumes that are wafting in the surrounding when cars are idling. In short, noise pollution is reduced, and so are the living environmental air pollution.

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post May 15 2026, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ May 15 2026, 09:52 AM)
CATL need to really have quicker integration and collaboration with the car makes to put in their new gen batteries. As time goes on after BYD fully rolled out their 2nd gen blade battery, refreshing and releasing car models using this new gen battery and mass deployment of their flash charging station, CATL's response to BYD's mass push does sound more of marketing "reminders" of their prowess and 刷存在感 instead of something that is readily and mass availability.

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I disagree. CATL tech day is annual event, like what Apple, Google, Tesla. It is CATL own pace, nothing to do with BYD.

BYD do car + battery of course it would be faster to adopt.
But what nice car BYD has to offer then you honestly think fun to drive, actually going to buy and can practically afford?

With BMW new iX3 800km+ WLTP, and practically hitting 600km highway, and support 400kw fast charging. Coming i3 is claiming 900km range.
Do we actually need more range?

So what CATL new battery going to revolutionize is not just safety.

With the 200kg lighter + 1500km range (didn't mention capacity and type of car in the test but a major step regardless), the traditional car brands that emphasize driving will scale back battery size maintain at around 800-900km WLTP range to build lighter cars. The fun car gap of EV and ICE will be even narrower, back to focus on driving itself.

Open door to go back to make driving great again, not 内卷 on stupid useless paper spec anymore.
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for me as a ev user for already quite sometime, i would say range and fast charge is not really the most important thing to consider

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