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QUOTE(nihility @ Mar 7 2026, 02:51 PM)
Six years ago, when COVID-19 hit the world, society had two choices:
either take no action and let chaos flatten civilization,
or act to restore order first.

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Anyway, I don't have much to talk about with the artist guy. Our few conversations were like "hi", "what are you doing?", "bye"... along those lines. He usually messaged me first, but we never had anything interesting to talk about, except for this:

He said he likes slightly meaty girls because there's more to hold. Skinny girls are too flat-chested.

And he's been following lots of pretty girls. I believe he's chatting them up too. laugh.gif

Quite a "visual" guy. Nothing wrong with that. I just find it funny.

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QUOTE(Ralna @ Mar 3 2026, 10:33 PM)
Yalor, I’m aware of the state I’m in. The problem with both men is that they have deep feelings for me, yet neither of them can or is ready to give me a future.

My ex still loves me very much, even though his health has been declining.
The analyst has deep feelings for me too, but he’s pulled back and shut himself off.

I asked ChatGPT about it, and it said both men offer me intensity but not stability. I need both. Haih.
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Talk is easy, actions are hard. Sans actions, words are meaningless.

We are only human, so we latch onto anything that gives us hope. The state you're in, is simply because of your hope for something which honestly isn't really there.

If this was the situation your besties are in, how would you advice them?
What if it was your daughter?
or would you tolerate this sort of situation in a professional/business relationship? (e.g. A LoI signed with constant praises of how good your products are but never actually making a purchase).

I know someone who was in a similar situationship (hers was more complicated), but fundamentally the same. Both having "deep feelings" for another, but the man just not making a move forward. She finally ended it last year, but the whole debacle took 3-4 years of her life.

You may think you're open to dates and other men, but honestly I don't think you are. In your mind, these 2 men are there and you're measuring everyone else against them as a replacement. Its a setup for failure as you'll never really see the other men for who they are. You're trapped by the hope (or dare I say fantasy) or what you would have with these 2 other men in your life.

Ultimately you're trapped in a cage of your own design.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 9 2026, 03:13 AM)
Talk is easy, actions are hard. Sans actions, words are meaningless.
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Ultimately you're trapped in a cage of your own design.
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I'm aware of that. My mind has scolded my heart many times. The two often quarrel. My mind understands what is happening, but my heart does not let go that easily.

I also analysed why the bonds with both men were so strong. I came to the conclusion that both pursued me at the lowest points in my life, when no other men would --despite me pushing both of them away several times because I felt I wasn't good enough for them.

Both men also cried when they almost lost me due to circumstances and an accident. Women do not forget men who cry for them and who love them at their worst, whether the relationship moves forward or not.

I wouldn't say I'm looking for replacements for them. My preferences in men have remained the same for over a decade. Even before I met these two men, I had chatted with hundreds and met dozens of suitors. I just couldn't fall in love easily, because I've always had this doubt: whether men love me for my shiny side or for my true self.

I feel it is very difficult to meet a man who would see me as the last or only woman in his life after seeing my darker, more broken sides. This has been the biggest barrier in my life, shaped by the belief that most men like my shiny side but cannot accept my full self. Every time I reveal even a small scar, men flee.

& Every time men confide in me and I accept them as they are, they flee afterwards, feeling “naked” and less manly in front of me. I can accept men the way they are, but they cannot do the same for me.

That is why it is hard for me to fall in love. It just so happened that these two were able to enter my heart through their persistence and sincerity, despite knowing my darker past and complexity.

I also know theirs. When both sides know each other's deepest secrets, ugliest scars, and have shared sexual intimacy, it creates an unusually strong bond.

Yet neither relationship could move forward in reality, which is why the pain lingers for so long.

Crushed hope, I would say. A silent grief that I have accepted over time.

It might have been easier to remain single for my whole life -- not because of the two men, but because my heart has always been guarded. Yet I do not want to close off the possibility of meeting the one for me, one day. I leave this for the future to unveil itself while I continue living my life...
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post Mar 10 2026, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 9 2026, 03:13 AM)
Talk is easy, actions are hard. Sans actions, words are meaningless.

We are only human, so we latch onto anything that gives us hope. The state you're in, is simply because of your hope for something which honestly isn't really there.

If this was the situation your besties are in, how would you advice them?
What if it was your daughter?
or would you tolerate this sort of situation in a professional/business relationship? (e.g. A LoI signed with constant praises of how good your products are but never actually making a purchase).

I know someone who was in a similar situationship (hers was more complicated), but fundamentally the same. Both having "deep feelings" for another, but the man just not making a move forward. She finally ended it last year, but the whole debacle took 3-4 years of her life.

You may think you're open to dates and other men, but honestly I don't think you are. In your mind, these 2 men are there and you're measuring everyone else against them as a replacement. Its a setup for failure as you'll never really see the other men for who they are. You're trapped by the hope (or dare I say fantasy) or what you would have with these 2 other men in your life.

Ultimately you're trapped in a cage of your own design.
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The generation under your guidance is blessed by Heaven.

“Talk is easy, actions are hard. Sans actions, words are meaningless.”

This phrase carries weight.

How would you, as a father to a teenage daughter, guide her if such a situation were to arise within your own household?

Advice is abundant in this world, yet not all advice carries the same responsibility.

Strangers give advice freely. Their words cost little because they do not carry the consequences if the outcome turns wrong.

Friends advise within their limits. They may care, but their capacity is bounded by time, knowledge, and personal involvement. When the matter exceeds their reach, the advice naturally stops there.

In professional or business environments, decisions are largely governed by risk and reward. Logic dominates. Even when emotions are considered, they are often treated as variables rather than responsibilities.

Blood relations are different.

When guidance is given within a family, the consequences do not disappear after the conversation ends. If the advice proves wrong, the cost may appear years later — sometimes in the next generation.
Whether we acknowledge it or not, the choices our children make are partly shaped by the guidance we give.

For this reason, advice within a family cannot be casual.

Yet even when spoken with care, words may fail to transmit. Advice sometimes passes through the air like an electromagnetic signal when the receiver is not tuned to receive it.

This brings us back to the phrase:
“Talk is easy, actions are hard. Sans actions, words are meaningless.”

If words alone fail to reach the heart, then action must carry the message.

Hence, may I ask:
If the individual in question were your daughter, what action would you take — not merely what advice would you give?
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Mar 9 2026, 05:04 AM)
I just couldn't fall in love easily, because I've always had this doubt: whether men love me for my shiny side or for my true self.

I feel it is very difficult to meet a man who would see me as the last or only woman in his life after seeing my darker, more broken sides. This has been the biggest barrier in my life, shaped by the belief that most men like my shiny side but cannot accept my full self. Every time I reveal even a small scar, men flee.

& Every time men confide in me and I accept them as they are, they flee afterwards, feeling “naked” and less manly in front of me. I can accept men the way they are, but they cannot do the same for me.

I'm not sure if you've noticed. You are splitting yourself into 2 personalities. Your bright side, and your dark side.

So are you surprised if people leave after seeing the other side? Its a different person. You yourself created that categorisation and it will seep into every interaction of your life. The more extreme example is multiple personality disorders, but in normal cases it can change your behavior enough to create cognitive dissonance.

Its also likely because of this, you subconsciously "test" people by showing your "dark side" and that tests comes too early or too heavy in a relationship phase which scares people away. I have an inkling as to what this might be; but you know yourself best. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, which side is the "real you"? are they both real? is one just a mask?

Your dark side should be an aspect of you, not a side you hide. The "personalities" need to be integrated into a whole. I have an impression you've read Carl Jung's work, so this shouldn't be an alien concept to you; if not go read up. Its fascinating stuff. Putting it into practice though, is another matter.

Personally it took to my early thirties to integrate most of my aspects and even then its still work in progress. Until you start working on it, you will continue to face this problem and the only way forward for you is (for the lack of better term); trauma bonding... which by default filters out emotionally healthy people who are not looking to bond over their broken states.

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I also know theirs. When both sides know each other's deepest secrets, ugliest scars, and have shared sexual intimacy, it creates an unusually strong bond.

Yet neither relationship could move forward in reality, which is why the pain lingers for so long.

It will never move forward, because the foundation of the bond is based on being broken. There will always be the fear in either party that if the "broken" part is "fixed", their partner will no longer have that shared bond with them. Better to stay in status quo and reap whatever benefits it currently provides, but remain stagnant. Its the easy path

You have actually revealed a lot in your response, maybe more than you realize. All I'll say is look into integrating your personalities and I hope to see more growth oriented tones in your writing instead of tone of preservation.
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QUOTE(nihility @ Mar 10 2026, 11:34 AM)
“Talk is easy, actions are hard. Sans actions, words are meaningless.”

If words alone fail to reach the heart, then action must carry the message.
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First, stop using AI to write for you laugh.gif

The context of the quote is lost and that cascaded into an entirely wrong line of reasoning. Words are meaningless without action means that people can say they love you, but if their actions don't back it up; then the words are meaningless.

It does not mean that advice is meaningless if you don't take action.

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Hence, may I ask:
If the individual in question were your daughter, what action would you take — not merely what advice would you give?

There is no action that you can take, they are their own person. You can only advice; any action you take is robbing them of agency which will only push them further away from you.

As a parent there are only 2 things you can do

1. Model the right behavior they grow up to expect from someone who loves them;
2. Be there for them when they do fall.

Any action a parent can take, is daily throughout their lives growing up. The small little actions that builds their foundation. The foundation of what love and care feels like, the foundation that allows them to open up to you, the foundation for them to actually listen and give weight to your advice.

They still have to open and walk through doors themselves.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Feb 27 2026, 10:49 PM)
i mean creative hobbies, like drawing, painting, sculpting, playing musical instruments, pottery, carpentry, lego building, making soap, calligraphy, etc.
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is photography consider art?
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 10 2026, 02:06 PM)
First, stop using AI to write for you laugh.gif

Nope, that's my freedom. Suka hati I. dry.gif
The image of the AI involvement can stay.


The context of the quote is lost and that cascaded into an entirely wrong line of reasoning. Words are meaningless without action means that people can say they love you, but if their actions don't back it up; then the words are meaningless.

It does not mean that advice is meaningless if you don't take action.

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Oh, you see it that way.
I see it this way.

Action = the highest quality of sincerity.
Talking = anyone can talk, but it carries no weight at all.

In our daily life, there are many talkers among us. But to translate talk into "getting things done" — only a handful in society are able to execute it.

Even among this handful who talk and get things done, they can be further divided into two types:
those who act because they are forced (unwillingly), and those who act willingly.

Willingly — the ending is likely favourable.
When things are done by force after talk, the ending is often unfavourable — resentment grows.

That is why talk is easy, but actions are hard.

In short, this is just a different metaphoric exploration.
It is amazing how many people in society can still be charmed by talk alone.


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As a parent there are only 2 things you can do

1. Model the right behavior they grow up to expect from someone who loves them;
2. Be there for them when they do fall.

Any action a parent can take, is daily throughout their lives growing up. The small little actions that builds their foundation. The foundation of what love and care feels like, the foundation that allows them to open up to you, the foundation for them to actually listen and give weight to your advice.

They still have to open and walk through doors themselves.

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I see — time reveals the difference.

Without time exposure, none of the above would have had the chance to become visible.
Thank you for your willingness to donate such useful advice.

You are a nice father. You do not force your opinion onto the coming generation.

What the previous generation could not achieve in the past does not mean the current generation cannot achieve it.

The same road with a sinkhole may have caused travellers to fall and be injured in the past.
But the same road today may be crossed safely by the coming generation with more advanced understanding.

And if they have to fall — at least you tried to prevent it, and they made their attempt.


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post Mar 11 2026, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 10 2026, 01:51 PM)
I'm not sure if you've noticed. You are splitting yourself into 2 personalities. Your bright side, and your dark side.
So are you surprised if people leave after seeing the other side? Its a different person. You yourself created that categorisation and it will seep into every interaction of your life. The more extreme example is multiple personality disorders, but in normal cases it can change your behavior enough to create cognitive dissonance.
Its also likely because of this, you subconsciously "test" people by showing your "dark side" and that tests comes too early or too heavy in a relationship phase which scares people away. I have an inkling as to what this might be; but you know yourself best. Put yourself in the other person's shoes, which side is the "real you"? are they both real? is one just a mask?
Your dark side should be an aspect of you, not a side you hide. The "personalities" need to be integrated into a whole. I have an impression you've read Carl Jung's work, so this shouldn't be an alien concept to you; if not go read up. Its fascinating stuff. Putting it into practice though, is another matter.
Personally it took to my early thirties to integrate most of my aspects and even then its still work in progress. Until you start working on it, you will continue to face this problem and the only way forward for you is (for the lack of better term); trauma bonding... which by default filters out emotionally healthy people who are not looking to bond over their broken states.
It will never move forward, because the foundation of the bond is based on being broken. There will always be the fear in either party that if the "broken" part is "fixed", their partner will no longer have that shared bond with them. Better to stay in status quo and reap whatever benefits it currently provides, but remain stagnant. Its the easy path
You have actually revealed a lot in your response, maybe more than you realize. All I'll say is look into integrating your personalities and I hope to see more growth oriented tones in your writing instead of tone of preservation.
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I'm aware of what I revealed. I've actually been doing introspective writing publicly since 2019, so I'm not someone who hides the darker parts of myself or my past. Both sides are real and named, but they exist within an integrated core self rather than as separate personalities. Sometimes there's an internal dialogue between them before I arrive at a decision.

In my daily life and work, those aspects are fairly integrated. Where it's probably still evolving is in intimate relationships.

Sharing heavier thoughts or darker layers isn't about trauma bonding, but more about early discernment. It helps me see whether someone has the depth and emotional range to sit with complexity. I'm capable of inner work -- not looking to be fixed or saved by men, and I do value understanding and acceptance from a partner.

Maybe pacing would help in how those layers are revealed early on. But ultimately I'm drawn to "dark grey" men who are comfortable with both their light and shadow, and who have done enough inner work to understand the layers in others too, rather than expecting women to exist only in "white".

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QUOTE(Chaud @ Mar 10 2026, 04:47 PM)
is photography consider art?
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Yes, it is. Taking photos, making videos, multimedia creation/expressions... are forms of art.
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QUOTE(Ralna @ Mar 11 2026, 08:08 PM)
I'm capable of inner work

I know, which is the only reason I'm trying to break things down for you. Otherwise it would fall on deaf ears.

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-- not looking to be fixed or saved by men

Oh, definitely not.. but you are certainly craving a level acceptance.

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Maybe pacing would help in how those layers are revealed early on.

There is pacing, and there's also motivation.

What you should really be asking yourself is why are you motivated to "test" their ability to handle the complexity so early on and whether your "test" is actually giving you the correct data to make an informed decision or is it really designed as self-preservation.

Lets say you wanted to see if someone could handle shit life throws at them; it would be disastrous if you tested it by actually shitting on their bed on purpose laugh.gif

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But ultimately I'm drawn to "dark grey" men who are comfortable with both their light and shadow, and who have done enough inner work to understand the layers in others too, rather than expecting women to exist only in "white".
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Are you drawn to "dark grey" men because of what you said, or is it because they are familiar and comfortable to you?

Are you sure that other men also don't have those layers? are you sure they really expect women to be "white" rather than layered with colors even dark ones? or is that your own projection?

Most men I know are capable of what you say, but I don't think you would classify some of them as "dark grey" if you met them.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Mar 12 2026, 12:24 PM)
I know, which is the only reason I'm trying to break things down for you. Otherwise it would fall on deaf ears.
Oh, definitely not.. but you are certainly craving a level acceptance.
There is pacing, and there's also motivation.
What you should really be asking yourself is why are you motivated to "test" their ability to handle the complexity so early on and whether your "test" is actually giving you the correct data to make an informed decision or is it really designed as self-preservation.
Lets say you wanted to see if someone could handle shit life throws at them; it would be disastrous if you tested it by actually shitting on their bed on purpose laugh.gif
Are you drawn to "dark grey" men because of what you said, or is it because they are familiar and comfortable to you?
Are you sure that other men also don't have those layers? are you sure they really expect women to be "white" rather than layered with colors even dark ones? or is that your own projection?
Most men I know are capable of what you say, but I don't think you would classify some of them as "dark grey" if you met them.
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Of course everyone has a shadow side, but not everyone is comfortable expressing it or allowing others to express it freely. Being capable of understanding complexity is not the same as being able to accept it with comfort.

In the early stages of dating, most men are naturally inclined to present their best side. They want to impress first rather than reveal the more complicated parts of themselves, so in many cases the “true self” doesn’t actually appear until much later.

I wouldn’t say I intentionally design “tests” for men. It’s more that I observe a lot and tend to express my genuine thoughts or feelings as they are -- not polished, not flattering, just honest. Then I watch how the other person receives that level of authenticity.

I’m drawn to what I described as “dark grey” men because I don’t feel the need to hide parts of myself around them. Men who are more “white" have a tendency to correct or reframe what I say, which makes me restrain certain thoughts because the response can feel somewhat judgmental. “Light grey” men are usually more open, but sometimes they can acknowledge darker aspects intellectually while still feeling uncomfortable sitting with them emotionally.

I believe there are many "dark grey" men out there, but they usually won’t show that side to women they like early on. For me, though, that’s often the very thing that draws me in, because I want to meet my own kind. I’m fascinated by men who are willing to show their scars early and talk about the battles they fought to overcome them. That level of authenticity, self-acceptance, calmness, and confidence is highly attractive to me.
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I suddenly recalled something from 2021. It was my astrology birth chart that a guy friend calculated for me. I fed it to ChatGPT and asked it to explain it in layman’s terms.

It’s pretty accurate and explains a lot about my patterns and preferences.


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Well, over the past few months, while reflecting on my past relationships, ChatGPT points out that I need men who have both intensity and stability.

Men who are intelligent, deep, and ready to build a future together.

hmm.gif I should show up at those places more often, through writing and presence. blush.gif
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