Your Shadowpriest's talent distribution is slightly different from the norm

I was refering to his SP of course as a pure PvE-er, seeing that they are doing end-game instances.

Pure raiding talent for a SP will not go further than 14 points of disc, for the rest would be better spent in the shadowtree. I was myself a PvE-tard, last as a Shadowpriest, till I stopped more than a month back.

Anyways, as long as he is comfortable with it, and your guild is progressing fine with that, it's all cool

Well he does provide an awesome of mana. Everyone just wants to be with him.

You know what i mean.

Lasting power is fine without mental agility. It's all about potting, timing shadowfiend. Extra bonus if you get a shaman in group or a sensible feral druid.

A shadowpriest's true function is to provide mana regen to the group. That does not happen if the dmg output from the priest is lacking. Call me a perfectionist, or whatever, that's just my 2 cents as I have been making sure priests in my guild were optimally specced for raids. At least that way, we have one less thing to blame if things dont go out well during an attempt.

Yup, Illidan's fight is around 20ish minutes long, just as long as Kael's, but more intensive dpsing. And with our WWS it could be calculated that mental agility will save prolly around 3k-ish mana over the length of that, hardly something worth that much seeing that mana coming back from VT would be more than 30k mana return. With perma potting, and as said correctly timed shadowfiend, there is almost no need for slacking dpsing except for one: Alar P1 where there is no threat issue and you go full rotation dps including SW:D for 6mins, then again, I didnt have a shaman in my group there. For continuous fights, we do that too during our trash clearance of instance and we hardly pause for breaks and I didnt see the need coz all i had to do was pop out of combat for 10secs and drink up.

A full dps rotation set with at least 4imp MB talent would drastically increase dps, and it could push your mindblast + VT total dmg from a boss encounter to around 50%ish dmg. In PvE burst damage is quite important too and losing a lil out of imp mb would slightly hinder that.

Anyways, I'm not turning this into a shadowpriest raiding thread, sorry OP for detouring a lil. Wont happen on my part again in this thread

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