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 Is this the REASON WHY YOU GUYS WANT UEC, di IKTIRAF?

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sadukarzz
post Dec 13 2025, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 12 2025, 10:27 PM)
No. That facebook post is very narrow minded and viewed through a racial lens.

Many fair minded Malaysians are concerned about brain drain as well. And that because of this non-recognition we are losing these guys to other countries. That is not good.

How is it that we can offer entry for foreign students, but neglect our own homegrown talents?

What we really should do is look at how we can have this UEC while retaining certain requirements and parity with the STPM.  This isn't about ego, race, politics or whatever justification.

The bottom line should be we want the students to be able to adapt to their classes and integrate well into campus life. We want these students to study well, graduate and then give back to the country. To do that Dong Zong and MOE needs to sit down and discuss this properly, make sure they are on the same page.

Otherwise, the racists win.
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Well said. It's not that UEC can stop brain drain entirely, but it certainly offers up a relief to the situation by solving it from the bottoms up.

We had English vs 1119 in the SPM level which worked, I wonder if such similar approach can be considered along with solving its difficulties?

But currently, it seems like it will be a loss for our nation & education system. Due to how politicians positioned this (DAP with bad timing, forcing an ultimatum rather than a forum); UMNO / Bersatu / even PKR making it a racial issue does not help.

We shall see in the rounds of chaos, which leader is brave and bright enough to step up and not stir up dust but points to the right direction.
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post Dec 13 2025, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Dec 13 2025, 07:18 AM)
What the chinese wants in Malaysia?

1. Good econ
2. No corruption
3. No bribery
4. Good infra
5. Good education quality
6. Good healthcare

What DAP/MIC fighting for:
1. UEC
2. Chinatown
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This is oversimplified, but reachable, and funnily somewhat true based on recent events.

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 13 2025, 09:03 AM)
That view only works if we are the only universities in the world. Universities world wide WANT students from other countries. If ours do not, then they should!

These students will be studying subjects from their own countries. They may be studying about how India gained independence or how Pakistan was formed. They will be conversant in their own mother tongues. None of these students will be taking courses regulated by our MOE.

What universities in other countries do, is require courses or language proficiency to be demonstrated. They may require certain subjects to be taken. The main aim is for these students to be able to understand their classes and adapt to campus life.

The question is, if you can do that for students from other countries, why can you not do that for students from your own country? That old narrative used to foster fake nationalism will ultimately harm our country more than anything else.
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Indeed. Your highlight echoes that resolution is discussion and cooperation to make things work, not outright rejection followed by painting it anti-nationalism.

Politician's exposure further turns this into a spiral when the intentions and the starting point is actually progressive; OR at least can be turned into something progressive without affecting nationalism (if some worries about anti-nationalism).

Many blanket suggestions that others gave i.e. Merging / Outright removal does not take into account of things like implementation, logistics, review and governance of the modules or exams, requirements and criterias, or even foreign investments in education or higher education.

Unfortunately, its easy to just paint a short sentence, fill it up with own ideals and blast it out. We can see where the discussion is lacking, and where its focused on.

Until we can have a proper conversation with neutrality and open heart, talks will not work out.


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