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TStrendey222
post Dec 6 2025, 09:23 AM, updated 3w ago

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I have encountered this type of person.

He or she (let's make it a he) is projects really smart and expert in certain things. Not fake, but you can feel it.

He can do the things, solve the problem practically no problem.

For example he can be any one these:

1. The one who solve a programming bug that nobody in the room can.
2. Play very technically advanced pieces in piano
3. Explain math formula very clearly and why it works
4. Understand physics concepts very well and teach others to understand
5. Very good in English language. Can understand high level texts and write incredible English essays (not in test)

But when it comes to exam, he always get average grades, and those less competent people end up scoring A's or score very high marks. They probably even learn from that smart guy but exams results show otherwise.

But the guy is clearly project expertise in real life, just grades fail to test him right. And teachers might even wonder why he doesn't score top marks.

This can be applied to work as well. Someone who is just so good at something but when it comes to standardized measurement, he fail to ace it and get average grades or marks instead...

Do you meet such person in life? I met quite a few. They project high talent but they don't score top grades when it comes to test, exams, or inspection
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post Dec 6 2025, 09:29 AM

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Yes, got one forumer last time.

I am very sure think he is ok in real life, but he keeps making mistakes like confusing Eurocham with Eurochem.

Not sure where he is now.
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post Dec 6 2025, 09:30 AM

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bcos everything look stupid for them
im one of this kind TS mentioned...
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post Dec 6 2025, 09:49 AM

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Exam is about giving the answer that the examiner wants. Given them real findings that not in their list won't get you marks.
If he is real smart, he needs to study how the exam works and strategized differently between exam and real physics.
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post Dec 6 2025, 09:51 AM

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What about smart people but still poor

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post Dec 6 2025, 09:53 AM

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Solving problem and memorizing is two different things mar
TStrendey222
post Dec 6 2025, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(galkelly @ Dec 6 2025, 09:51 AM)
What about smart people but still poor
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That one got. Because rich and smart is independent.

Rich is caused by many factors :

1. Your parents inherit were rich. They inherit properties and money to you.
2. Your husband is rich. You're goldigger and thus make you rich.
3. You sell drugs or illegal goods.

Those things require boldness and luck more than intelligence.

Because smart people know how it's done, but they may never choose to do it.

The brave bulls who don't care just do it are the ones who ended up rich. Or else, just inherit from parents.

Rarely successful business will make you rich because it's usually inherited by generations. First generation usually end up broke to keep the business alive. Next generations who inherit will make it successful. Because they just need to carry on what their parents leftover without starting from scratch

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post Dec 6 2025, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(heinlein @ Dec 6 2025, 09:53 AM)
Solving problem and memorizing is two different things mar
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Yeah exactly. Those who excel at standardized test or inspections mostly memorized or found out the tactics to write keywords to answer questions to gain marks from examiners. Not necessarily because they know how to solve the problems,or understand what they are answering.

But I still wonder, since the smart guy understand things and can think critically to solve problems, why they don't managed to answer the questions well during tests or exams. Is it because of time pressure or they don't use tactics like the correct keywords to answer questions or use their own answers that makes examiners think "you don't write what I want to see, so I can't give you marks"

If this is the case, the test is flawed. It fails to measure talent
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post Dec 6 2025, 10:27 AM

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Ask him to built a rocket to travel on Mars.
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post Dec 6 2025, 10:28 AM

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the scope of the exam can only test a limited portion of a human's capability.

like when hr slap a performance evaluation, it may evaluate a sales performance properly but some skill or backend support is hard to evaluate, like for example how many cases solved or how many complaints resolved, these things are hard to evaluate by paper because each case is different and not like sales target that can be measured contract value etc.
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post Dec 6 2025, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(toughguy @ Dec 6 2025, 09:49 AM)
Exam is about giving the answer that the examiner wants. Given them real findings that not in their list won't get you marks.
If he is real smart, he needs to study how the exam works and strategized  differently between exam and real physics.
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Then the exam is flawed. It fails to measure real talents.

Anyone can memorize and give answers examiners want without understanding what the answer really mean and how to solve it if the problem really comes in real life.

I can just do past year questions and commonly come out questions and memorize the right answer keywords to those questions and then write them out during exams when similar questions came out.

And I have no idea why the answers are the answers and why they are correct in the first place.

That means I'm not smart at all. I have just found the way to play the game and tactics to win it.

Same as someone who can solve the rubick cube using formula vs someone who found out how to solve the cube logically through understanding

The first one can solve within minutes and perfectly but no idea what he had just spinned. The second one knows exactly why he made the move every single time to get it solved
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post Dec 6 2025, 10:31 AM

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Me lo. I'm that type of person.
Credit all taken by those NATO colleague, like he did most of the job.
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post Dec 6 2025, 10:34 AM

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Some people don’t perform well under pressure. Sure, he might be smart and able to solve every issue—but if it takes him days, is that really effective? Meanwhile, someone else might solve 90% of the problems in a fraction of the time.

Some ppl may also excel socially and in communication, possessing personal charm, engaging others, making people listen, and explaining things clearly while sounding convincing even when they’re not entirely sure of what they’re saying.
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post Dec 6 2025, 11:39 AM

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Usually people like this is very lazy ad they are too smart ad
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post Dec 6 2025, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 6 2025, 09:29 AM)
Yes, got one forumer last time.

I am very sure think he is ok in real life, but he keeps making mistakes like confusing Eurocham with Eurochem.

Not sure where he is now.
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Is he same as ielts 9.45 guy
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post Dec 6 2025, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(trendey222 @ Dec 6 2025, 10:20 AM)
That one got. Because rich and smart is independent.

Rich is caused by many factors :

1. Your parents inherit were rich. They inherit properties and money to you.
2. Your husband is rich. You're goldigger and thus make you rich.
3. You sell drugs or illegal goods.

Those things require boldness and luck more than intelligence.

Because smart people know how it's done, but they may never choose to do it.

The brave bulls who don't care just do it are the ones who ended up rich. Or else, just inherit from parents.

Rarely successful business will make you rich because it's usually inherited by generations. First generation usually end up broke to keep the business alive. Next generations who inherit will make it successful. Because they just need to carry on what their parents leftover without starting from scratch
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intelligent ppl tend to end up being the technical ppl

For example in a company the scientists etc
Or the multiple PhD lecturer in uni

Sometimes they grow some balls and start to develop their own company

But most of the time the sunk cost fallacy of having a stable job makes them risk averse.

This post has been edited by Knnbuccb: Dec 6 2025, 11:47 AM
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post Dec 6 2025, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Knnbuccb @ Dec 6 2025, 11:42 AM)
Is he same as ielts 9.45 guy
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ielts guy still around

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post Dec 6 2025, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(loserguy @ Dec 6 2025, 11:48 AM)
ielts guy still around

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Oh the other day he forgot logout of his same acc then ended up replying to himself.

Example of too smart.. busy thinking bout the smart reply but the smallest step he forgot to do

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post Dec 6 2025, 12:24 PM

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This is me during school and college. I can mental calculated probably half of mathematical equation in SPM in head and write down the answer.

It comes naturally to me without study much. I keluar dewan after 30 minutes yet still can get 80-90 marks above in advance math.

But I'm not good in arguing and communicating so my life is okay okay only haha. My life not bad, but if someone guide in in choosing career after SPM it should be much better.
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QUOTE(ecrl @ Dec 6 2025, 12:24 PM)
This is me during school and college. I can mental calculated probably half of mathematical equation in SPM in head and write down the answer.

It comes naturally to me without study much. I keluar dewan after 30 minutes yet still can get 80-90 marks above in advance math.

But I'm not good in arguing and communicating so my life is okay okay only haha. My life not bad, but if someone guide in in choosing career after SPM it should be much better.
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Ya a lot of people are book smart. But lack communication skills big time.



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post Dec 6 2025, 01:39 PM

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exam is about memorizing shit, not a real measure of someone's capability at work
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post Dec 6 2025, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(ecrl @ Dec 6 2025, 12:24 PM)
This is me during school and college. I can mental calculated probably half of mathematical equation in SPM in head and write down the answer.

It comes naturally to me without study much. I keluar dewan after 30 minutes yet still can get 80-90 marks above in advance math.

But I'm not good in arguing and communicating so my life is okay okay only haha. My life not bad, but if someone guide in in choosing career after SPM it should be much better.
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I have always felt SPM maths and add maths were never challenging at all. Too simple.

Not saying I'm good at maths but to me it's just logical. You just have to solve the questions logically. However, I never knew why did we learn them for? Pretty much useless or so, that's what I felt. But after knowing why or how we use them in our daily life, everything kinda make sense.

So basically, our education sucks, just tell us to solve the equation but didn't explain why we use them. For example, stats and matrix.
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QUOTE(trendey222 @ Dec 6 2025, 10:31 AM)
Then the exam is flawed. It fails to measure real talents.

Anyone can memorize and give answers examiners want without understanding what the answer really mean and how to solve it if the problem really comes in real life.

I can just do past year questions and commonly come out questions and memorize the right answer keywords to those questions and then write them out during exams when similar questions came out.

And I have no idea why the answers are the answers and why they are correct in the first place.

That means I'm not smart at all. I have just found the way to play the game and tactics to win it.

Same as someone who can solve the rubick cube using formula vs someone who found out how to solve the cube logically through understanding

The first one can solve within minutes and perfectly but no idea what he had just spinned. The second one knows exactly why he made the move every single time to get it solved
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Exam has it merits. It's the simplest way to measure something quantitatively. Unfortunately, they are generalized, so it measures a general consensus but do not highlight a person's talent. Everyone is different. Some are better at solving problems, some are better at language. Some would come out with their own way of solving the problem with logic, but exam needs to show how the answers are derived exactly as taught in class.


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QUOTE(trendey222 @ Dec 6 2025, 10:31 AM)
Then the exam is flawed. It fails to measure real talents.

Anyone can memorize and give answers examiners want without understanding what the answer really mean and how to solve it if the problem really comes in real life.

I can just do past year questions and commonly come out questions and memorize the right answer keywords to those questions and then write them out during exams when similar questions came out.

And I have no idea why the answers are the answers and why they are correct in the first place.

That means I'm not smart at all. I have just found the way to play the game and tactics to win it.

Same as someone who can solve the rubick cube using formula vs someone who found out how to solve the cube logically through understanding

The first one can solve within minutes and perfectly but no idea what he had just spinned. The second one knows exactly why he made the move every single time to get it solved
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That's why Malaysia have many A scorers but not created any Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Besoz, Bill Gate, Steve Job.
That's also the reason we abolished UPSR and PMR. However, our education still not improving. I can't blame new government as changes need time and I also no idea how to improve it if I were the minister.
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post Dec 7 2025, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(trendey222 @ Dec 6 2025, 10:24 AM)
Yeah exactly. Those who excel at standardized test or inspections mostly memorized or found out the tactics to write keywords to answer questions to gain marks from examiners. Not necessarily because they know how to solve the problems,or understand what they are answering.

But I still wonder, since the smart guy understand things and can think critically to solve problems, why they don't managed to answer the questions well during tests or exams. Is it because of time pressure or they don't use tactics like the correct keywords to answer questions or use their own answers that makes examiners think "you don't write what I want to see, so I can't give you marks"

If this is the case, the test is flawed. It fails to measure talent
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There are many ways to solve a problem, the solution givens are just not the standard answer the examiner wants. Marks only given if follow the books

 

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