okay actually ev battery ni boleh tahan berapa tahun atau berapa km sebenarnya sebelum kong

Unlimited mileage is a good deal for grab drivers or traveling salesman.

Go back to ice car only lah. It's still not too late to realise EV is a scam

Scammer all over. P2 Salesman on the loose.

dah 10k booking blum??

Time to all in EV?

Why people need to pay for the battery again not for free when people already buy the junk without battery loan for multi years?

Curios, if battery on fire, car got burn.. insurance claim siapa ya?

PETROL CAR better

So about 30k for battery rent, if let say battery kong after 5 years and they provide new foc? Continue paying to the 9th year or start counting another 9 year for new battery?

After 9 years still got production of the same battery? Able to change to new battery if new tech available?

Based on Pauline video supposedly after u change battery u need to renew lease and start again another 9 years
Even if replace under warranty or damage or faulty during leasing period

This post has been edited by DogeGamingPRO: Yesterday, 10:13 PM

Nanti dia cakap you sengaja bakar. Sebab dia kata lu mahu battery baru bakar sendiri dari bawah. Lepas to warranty hangus. Imaginelah berapa orang beli mesti ada olang gila punya.

So you can drive and not change the car until 100 years. LoL.

What kind of sick customer defend this kinda pricing

I thought competition is good?

According to online sources, if below 70% health or issues with battery not due to user problem, perodua will change FOC as many times as needed within 9 years. If accident, insurance will cover the cost of repair or replacement.

If after leasing period ends after 9 years, no need to change or renew leasing or pay. But battery remains with Perodua ownership. If want to change battery, sign a new 9 year lease.

This scheme is stupid.

Just price it la at RM109k. Nobody would question it except for the fact that why a supposedly local car it’s priced higher than a say BYD Seal.

Tabulih lah ketua MADANI sudah kasi order kena buat EV buatan Malaysia rakyat berkemampuan <100k

Not scam. They hav their places. Jus not as a mainstream people mover.

The sucker who write that artical really know nothing about battery. Talk cock only.

the true cost of the car isn't RM80k but more like RM100+k

buying that car to do grab is kinda
but i agree this unlimited mileage is good for doing grab

Itu namanya bodo. WTF does it mean to sell an EV without battery priced at 80k but need another 30k lease for the battery??

I hope perodua bosses realize soon that this idea is stupid, especially with that monthly pricing.

EV technology evolved by leap and bound every year. By 9th years this LFP current tech will be obsolete, standard will be Solid State.
Did you guys remember few years ago some Astro smart guy decided to renew everyone contract by default. Astro got burned badly by this incident. This P2 EV will be another case study 'don't go full retard'.

Maybe jual kereta 40k and sewa battery 275/month okay tak?

Looks like I'm not the only one look at this and be sceptical

Car end up 100k+, pay monthly still need to charge ownself then alot t&c until kapala pusing

This works if swap like nio or priced low like 50k 60k

Well that make more sense then seeing that the interior of this EV are all cheap plastics.

80k is the problem

If they replace with newer batteries, that at least OK.
Scare they die die replace with recon similar batteries tech or salvage from other EV to replace every few years and renew the lease to max 9 years until u kenot than.

In smaller scale, it like those water filter/ air purifier business or photocopier business
Buy the machine but those new replacements parts hard to source, end up need to trade in.
Plus only the sellers willingly accept the trade in. Other dare not buy it cos can't find repairs parts.

This post has been edited by Iceman74: Yesterday, 09:48 PM

Dengar kata, Duracell Arnab brand tahan lebih panjang

meanwhile many ktard here believe lifepo4 wont break. keh keh keh.

at usa, people brag their lead acid battery lasts 7-8 years, over here banyak dah tukar sebelum 2 years use. NMC battery banyak kong because of calendar aging. honesly manufacturer taking tons of risks giving 8 years warranty here.

however i wont buy one because my fuel cost is less than rm275 per month also body price of rm80k is so expense.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Yesterday, 09:58 PM

No one ask, kena beli dua ke?

Ya betul, kumpul 1 juta battery sambung saja. Cuma + & - je.

How come the writing seems to be written by chatgpt with minor editing?

ok soya

Any different with 9 years warranty for the battery? After 9 years, that "old" battery belong to you....

battery is less of an issue, most of the ev fire & battery deterioration always get overblown news coverage

but the real one is the inverter power management issue, like korean kia hyundai iccu failure is most well known
even occasionally byd also have this issue

Imagine apple selling handphone while leasing the battery

if it is not users fault, the battery is replaced under warranty, no need to re-contract the lease agreement.

Why the battery also got contract period? Seems like you're forever locked in a contract with Perodua.

you can early terminate the contract by selling the car what. let a the new suckers sign a new contract to use the car.

so the mediocre 160,000km warranty were due to electronic and electric components are likely to fails, not the batteries?

If still got people want to buy and get another lease

Why is it not being rebadged a good thing though?
P2 got the reliability confidence precisely because it pushes out rebadged cars.

Now customers are taking risk on EV tech AND P2's attempt at that new tech.

This one better wait early adopters first.

i might enter when the body price is rm40k lel. hope that time battery subscription cheaper too, or got battery upgrade instead.

It is not unlimited mileage lol. You still need to pay for the charge.

If this can be regarded as unlimited mileage (feel free to use as much as you like, but you pay for the charge), ALL petrol cars are unlimited mileage.

At 100+k, might as well get a vios.

do you think EV tech for 9 years is long year?

also i saw keyword "resell value"...

> Takahashi Kyoko

lmao don't sully the legendary Takahashi name.

The problem is according to some sources you still need to sign a 9-year contract lease for the battery. Which I'm not sure is true or not, but it's kinda unclear.

After 9 years siapa mau beli? 😁
You're stuck with it until it dies, then can buang? 😆

it is...that's why it's leased
you pay for it and they will replace it anytime it failed
but have to remember, it's only for the battery....not the motor

>you buy the car and lease the battery
dont give them ideas lah if q-ev turns out popular then every other carmakers will do the same lol
but i understand that p2 has to do this way otherwise their first ev will be 110k car

I think it might work for a more expensive model. The main reason this sounds so stupid is that the base price was set at 80k, then they bump it up to 110k but hide it through some amazing mental gymnastics.

But if you change this car to a 200k-300k one, then you offer the customer, a battery lease at 30k. It might seem easier to swallow.

Kesian

If you have to justify selling a product to this extent, then the product itself is a failure lulz

Good products sell itself, no need to try hard one

Personally I think P2 is opening themselves to LOD in the future. So if I'm leasing the battery from you, and your battery terbakar and my car total lost, apa maciam kira? Your battery burn my car.

In this dave2d video, he got mention his 8 years old Tesla only hold 80% of the charge. (Start 0:30)

https://youtu.be/EbWN-UIZXJI?si=EKSNPf5uziL0z3-d

Which is pretty good for a 8 years old...

cold climate vs hot climate.

personal experience all sort of batteries are aging faster and prone to failure here. lifepo4 are not any different.

see below for long duration lifepo4(calendar aging) run, could see 7.5c differences can make a whole lots of differences in term of battery wear:
case 1 - 55c
case 2 - 47.5c
case 3 - 40c

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/35...63f307/download

This post has been edited by zerorating: Yesterday, 10:55 PM

TLDR

not going to buy it

u suka u buy

When perodua EV owner realized when they paying battery leasing at the same time: they need to pay charging fee as well

Somehow I feel...P2 didn't think through this plan enough?

No confidence in own battery tech kah?

This is more like a Perodua dupe PR account

Pricing psychology are total disaster for this QV-E strategy
Same product
A) RM80k+RM20k(battery leasing plan for 7 years)
B) RM100k(free battery warranty for 7years)

Majority purchaser will go for option B
It will bring hidden cost of EV ownership when Perodua doing minimal cost, of course we can see why they want to do that(to bring down the pricing) but it's going to be a total failure to the market

They should just stick with 95k then offer 7 years 1to1 warranty with options to extend warranty with 10k top up.

Whats sad is they dare to push this kind of leasing scheme probably because their marketing team got enought statistical data that made them believe Malaysian are really that stupid. The longer i live in this country the more i think Malaysian is really special kind of stupid.

if cannot afford the battery charges after 7 years just arson it la

Do people buy EV cars to tinker with it? Most people that buy EV cars are probably content to live within its ecosystem like iPhone users.

There are subscription plans for phones and subscription plans for cars is also inevitable. Actually, it's already here.

This post has been edited by ReoAyanami: Yesterday, 11:35 PM

beli karipap takde kentang

mau kentang meh 30k

If the owner failed to pay the car installatment and it gets repossessed. With such conditions of 9yrs battery instalment, no one will be buying. But if magically the price went down too low e.g. 30k and someone purchased cash upfront. Logically he would had bought empty shell only and still need to pay battery installments 9yrs?

i have a better idea, buy other car. lol

sime darby now control p2

Cannot use the car for ehailing purposes. Will void the lease agreement

What a crazy world we are living right now.

Ev battery also become optional and you have to pay it monthly.

Many people didnt realised that they are too addicted with subscription or any instalments until one day they are drowning in debt with no end.

Dllm. Means not unlimited la. Perodua becoming like Telco.

P2 fans has grown into similar mindset as Apple sheeps. jilat without reasons, even kena tindas

This car won't sell a lot. It's going to be like Perodua Nautica sales numbers.

Last line under "Battery Use"...

gotta pay for car, batt, road tax, maintenance, insurance (car oni), charging costs... plus get tied into 9-yr batt contract at mercy of manufacturer

bring to SC they can say whatever the f they wan, "oh dis one the battery kena pothole, flying stone no pau, driver negligence blah3" habislah

oso 9 yrs must use their SC kenot use outside workshop, basically kena tied 99 to their ecosystem

idk lah but if it smells and sounds like scam, then u go figure wat it is

Smell like abuse of monopoly/duopoly position.

Even worse, this is officially government sanctioned abuse since our PM Palestine himself launched it and the nonsense RM100K MITI requirement for foreign EV

i dont understand, so after 9 years how if battery gg? no need buy new? pay another 275+8% monthly? or what?

so basically subscription based car....just like software license

sama konsep maciam beli rumah teres vs condo la

They think like in 90s where ppl bodo blind support with toyoldah and Honduh. Nowadays ppl vite with wallet, with Chyna brand, there a lot of choices lor.

Why am I being knock by the feeling of my past echo on my wireless vacuum cleaner

Yes correct, sir. Warranty on battery. Battery only but not other associating components etc which are required new for a battery replacement, excluding collection and delivery

This post has been edited by jojolicia: Today, 08:19 AM

Not to forget the t&c will likely force you to only go to their service centres for everything else claim gets rejected

when u need a defensive essay just to justify buying a 100k car..it already a failure.

this is literally giving proton more things to put on their emas5 poster

can shove the battery up their bu55y

still got a lot of such people.
take saga/persona for example, a much better & cheaper car than bezza, yet bezza atill outsold both every year.

majority ppl still supporting them. these company are trying to squeeze as much as they can, while they shifted their target elsewhere.

How many years does not matter when your car kaboom

Meanwhile Toyota's EV bZ3x is less than RM100k in China.
For too long Malaysians has been taken for a ride for paying Yahoodi prices and enriching AP Holders.

unker remain that EV is for 2nd or 3rd car only in bolehland.

WEstern use EV becoz of high fuel price. We do not have such problem here.

Until that change, stop shooting your foot for nothing.

Problem is, P1 and P2 are currently pushing higher price for their ICE offering as well.

Ignoring Axia Rahmah aside, normal Axia is close to Myvi price now. Making affordable car konon......

It's ridiculous that by leasing the battery can improve EV Resell value.
Nonsense.

Good, there are too many cars in bolehland.

These days younger generation buy cars by looks and design 🤦‍♀️ hence why Bezza outsells Saga and Persona because they are ugly but not practical in terms drivability unlike boomers who emphasis on that

Typical marketing but the reverse is in fact without the battery the resale value close to nothing but a piece of junk 🤦‍♀️

Me more interested what is syariah compliant clause, non halal items cannot use?

The car is mine but cannot use it for certain things is crazy

This post has been edited by Iceman74: Today, 10:13 AM

If you charge at home, it's almost 4x cheaper than petrol as well.