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TSRaddus
post Nov 24 2025, 11:06 PM, updated 14h ago

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post Nov 24 2025, 11:12 PM

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post Nov 24 2025, 11:12 PM

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lolz by 2035. got 7th gen d. Malaysia baru nak sign 5th gen. lolz.
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Raddus @ Nov 24 2025, 11:06 PM)
Fully Operating 5th gen by 2040
Still need to filled the gap left by MIG29N, MB339 and soon Hawk.
Hence the interim solution paving the way.
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 24 2025, 11:13 PM)
Fully Operating 5th gen by 2040
Still need to filled the gap left by MIG29N, MB339 and soon Hawk.
Hence the interim solution paving the way.
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MB339 and HAWK not filled by FA50 in light attack/fighter/trainer role?


Mig29, need F18C/D from Kuwait.
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:25 PM

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It is the government cabinet meeting who will decide what to buy. Not the army.
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 24 2025, 11:12 PM)
lolz by 2035. got 7th gen d. Malaysia baru nak sign 5th gen. lolz.
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no gua, 6th gen not even have one real plane yet, not sure the china one is real or not la, even then that is real, they still doing test flight :X may take another 10-15 years to get it launch and available in the market :X
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Nov 24 2025, 11:25 PM)
It is the government cabinet meeting who will decide what to buy. Not the army.
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Is true

Cuz the army doesnt operate a fighter jet
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 24 2025, 11:12 PM)
lolz by 2035. got 7th gen d. Malaysia baru nak sign 5th gen. lolz.
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1st gen was roughly the 40s and early 50s.
2nd gen roughly the late 50s to the 60s
3rd gen from 60s to the 70s
4th gen was the 80s until late 90s and most has been upgraded to 4.5 gen and is operating since the early 00s.

The first 5th gen was produced in 97 and formally in service only in 2005. The F22 is only expected to be replaced as the premier USAF fighter by the F-47 in 2030.

That means 6th gen planes will be flying at least until 2055, which is when the first 7th gen planes start trials. And most likely later than that as each fighter jet generation has taken longer and longer to replace. Even the fifth- gen F35 is planned for operation until 2070. Malaysia being one or two gen behind is fine for a country our size.
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for next 10 years i think KF-21 matches Msia better than anything else.
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post Nov 24 2025, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(red_satu @ Nov 24 2025, 11:44 PM)
1st gen was roughly the 40s and early 50s.
2nd gen roughly the late 50s to the 60s
3rd gen from 60s to the 70s
4th gen was the 80s until late 90s and most has been upgraded to 4.5 gen and is operating since the early 00s.

The first 5th gen was produced in 97 and formally in service only in 2005. The F22 is only expected to be replaced as the premier USAF fighter by the F-47 in 2030.

That means 6th gen planes will be flying at least until 2055, which is when the first 7th gen planes start trials. And most likely later than that as each fighter jet generation has taken longer and longer to replace. Even the fifth- gen F35 is planned for operation until 2070. Malaysia being one or two gen behind is fine for a country our size.
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that is the timing without China in the equation.

with china speed.

maybe 2035 will see Gen7 test fly already for both USA and China.

when got competitor, everything will go very fast.


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Given mof budget allocation and medium term risks assessment, anti ship capability should has higher priority than air superiority.

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between, even we get Gen5 jet, is waste of money and pointless.

cause what important is complete sync system,
only jet fighter = suicide

Pak vs Barat case already best mirror.
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Nov 24 2025, 11:06 PM)
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What F-22? They are not for export. SU57 is gen 5/6, still not enough made for export as local Rusky AF pon xcukup. Best bet is kimchi, sushi and US F35D (detuned) or ikea saab.
Bharat and turki can buang dlm laut.

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post Yesterday, 08:21 AM

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why need?...cost saving since a prof says this....
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the smell of gravy money....is too strong...
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post Yesterday, 08:41 AM

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US will not sell F35 to us la. Even Taiwan did not get F35.
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make sure to buy extra engine, tqvm

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post Yesterday, 09:13 AM

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malaysia might run into money issue to buy and maintain. 5th gen is a make up of many systems, just the fighter plane itself cost a fortune. The cheapest to maintain will still be the SU-57, it is not really full stealth because the real RAM coating is extremely expensive and maintainance nightmare, the Russian has to cut corners due to war and limited research
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QUOTE(Heroicage @ Nov 25 2025, 08:21 AM)
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why need?...cost saving since a prof says this....
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post Yesterday, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Nov 24 2025, 11:25 PM)
It is the government cabinet meeting who will decide what to buy. Not the army.
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looking at the hardware bought by PMX cabinet..seems like going in the right direction

u see LMS under ahjib...cibai only 1 canon...WTFFF

PMX bought LMS batch 2 complete 3 dimensional ship liaoo...anti air..anti ship and torpedo oso can...topkek

FA-50 also seems good choice lor..if ahjib or some other goons probably bought tejas edi coz u know why..topkek
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QUOTE(Avex @ Nov 25 2025, 09:13 AM)
malaysia might run into money issue to buy and maintain. 5th gen is a make up of many systems, just the fighter plane itself cost a fortune. The cheapest to maintain will still be the SU-57, it is not really full stealth because the real RAM coating is extremely expensive and maintainance nightmare, the Russian has to cut corners due to war and limited research
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I think by then 5th gen also become mainstream and cheaper

F35A and J35 is becoming cheaper than some 4.5gen fighter because its being mass produced in thousands
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QUOTE(Raddus @ Nov 25 2025, 12:05 PM)
I think by then 5th gen also become mainstream and cheaper

F35A and J35 is becoming cheaper than some 4.5gen fighter because its being mass produced in thousands
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F35A and J35 still very high in price. As far as i know China is not in any hurry to fulfil any international order, F35A sales really depending on US mood, it will go up because of rare earth price and the price paid by every country is really different, like tiers. China on the other hand now prefer cash or gold and which friend tiers. those barter trade days using palm oil are over. Even Iran trying to buy J-10 China told them to fucuk off. Maybe Russia still ok with palm oil trade
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QUOTE(Avex @ Nov 25 2025, 12:13 PM)
F35A and J35 still very high in price. As far as i know China is not in any hurry to fulfil any international order, F35A sales really depending on US mood, it will go up because of rare earth price and the price paid by every country is really different, like tiers. China on the other hand now prefer cash or gold and which friend tiers. those barter trade days using palm oil are over. Even Iran trying to buy J-10 China told them to fucuk off. Maybe Russia still ok with palm oil trade
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OK malaysia with rare earth trade for Jet, biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Nov 25 2025, 09:55 AM)
looking at the hardware bought by PMX cabinet..seems like going in the right direction

u see LMS under ahjib...cibai only 1 canon...WTFFF

PMX bought LMS batch 2 complete 3 dimensional ship liaoo...anti air..anti ship and torpedo oso can...topkek

FA-50 also seems good choice lor..if ahjib or some other goons probably bought tejas edi coz u know why..topkek
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BMX favourite vendor is Turkish.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 25 2025, 12:23 PM)
BMX favourite vendor is Turkish.
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KAAN fighter jet
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QUOTE(Porkycorgi5588 @ Nov 24 2025, 11:24 PM)
MB339 and HAWK not filled by FA50 in light attack/fighter/trainer role?
Mig29, need F18C/D from Kuwait.
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Yes the LCA but the hawk actually can do more which is why the mudmovers is still operating. One of the best decision by the brast aircraft advance air combat with AIM missile firing capabilities.

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 25 2025, 12:00 AM)
Given mof budget allocation and medium term risks assessment, anti ship capability should has higher priority than air superiority.
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MRCA - Multirole Combat Aircraft
So they can do all task.
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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Nov 24 2025, 11:25 PM)
It is the government cabinet meeting who will decide what to buy. Not the army.
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Not even cabinet has the power 🤦‍♀️ the power lies in decision making PM and supported by FM which coincidentally the same useless person now BMX

Army is only have the technical feasibility decision and recommendation only
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Nov 25 2025, 06:57 PM)
Not even cabinet has the power 🤦‍♀️ the power lies in decision making PM and supported by FM which coincidentally the same useless person now BMX

Army is only have the technical feasibility decision and recommendation only
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And he leave it largely to mof staffs recommendation.

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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Nov 24 2025, 11:12 PM)
lolz by 2035. got 7th gen d. Malaysia baru nak sign 5th gen. lolz.
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what criteria to get latesf jet like gen 6 or 7. other than money. malaysia mcm ketingallan but alot money
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Biar betik Panglima Tentera Udara MY 😁

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PTU mentioned F-35, F-22, Su-57, J-20 and TF-X to name a few


Betul ke dia mau juai F22 kat kite, and can we really afford?

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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Nov 25 2025, 11:10 PM)
Biar betik Panglima Tentera Udara MY 😁
Betul ke dia mau juai F22 kat kite, and can we really afford?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Nov 25 2025, 10:32 PM)
And he leave it largely to mof staffs recommendation.
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For the input yes 🤦‍♀️ but not for final decision making and not forgotten to most important signature to allocate funds to the army itself
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F22 is no longer in production, even USAF wants to get more units also can't without extreme cost to restart an upgraded line.
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No money lah, later also can't maintain. 😅Just buy some drones will do.
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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Nov 25 2025, 08:41 AM)
US will not sell F35 to us la. Even Taiwan did not get F35.
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ROC did not get because because of risk of RedChina spying

We dont have this problem. If Sinkie can get F35, no reason RMAF can not get provided we have enough funds. Maybe can get discount also

The amount of free stuff the US gave us (long range radar, Boeing drones, patrol aircraft upgrade) we can get it

Just need to say the magic words. We act as first line of defense against RedChina
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Hal Tejas is absolutely king of sky





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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ Nov 26 2025, 07:17 AM)
ROC did not get because because of risk of RedChina spying

We dont have this problem. If Sinkie can get F35, no reason RMAF can not get provided we have enough funds. Maybe can get discount also

The amount of free stuff the US gave us (long range radar, Boeing drones, patrol aircraft upgrade) we can get it

Just need to say the magic words. We act as first line of defense against RedChina
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Singkie is loyal us ally

F35 is for ally only...


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QUOTE(countingcrows @ Nov 25 2025, 11:10 PM)
Biar betik Panglima Tentera Udara MY 😁
Betul ke dia mau juai F22 kat kite, and can we really afford?
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F22 impossible lol

Even ally also don't get this

Don't dream
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Nov 26 2025, 04:25 AM)
For the input yes 🤦‍♀️ but not for final decision making and not forgotten to most important signature to allocate funds to the army itself
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Mindef. Army could only recommend.


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QUOTE(tokroni76 @ Nov 26 2025, 07:17 AM)
ROC did not get because because of risk of RedChina spying

We dont have this problem. If Sinkie can get F35, no reason RMAF can not get provided we have enough funds. Maybe can get discount also

The amount of free stuff the US gave us (long range radar, Boeing drones, patrol aircraft upgrade) we can get it

Just need to say the magic words. We act as first line of defense against RedChina
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Nov 26 2025, 07:26 AM)
Singkie is loyal us ally

F35 is for ally only...
Kekwa
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Even if f35 is offered to rmaf, is unlikely to have allocations from mof. Besides, pn and bn politicians avoid buying from the u.s.


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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 25 2025, 05:50 PM)
Yes the LCA but the hawk actually can do more which is why the mudmovers is still operating. One of the best decision by the brast aircraft advance air combat with AIM missile firing capabilities.
MRCA - Multirole Combat Aircraft
So they can do all task.
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How about postpone 5th Gen purchase until got more choices

Proceed with F15EX as new MRCA. Indon sudah sign MOU so we have a neighbour that can cross support
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Malaysia need 5th gen jet fighters to fight against a bunch of tree people with sumpits.

Just buy hundreds of Suicide drones lah

 

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