QUOTE(trojandude @ Nov 26 2025, 01:18 AM)
Baba Nyonya does not refer to Chinese-Malay mix. Read up the history of why the word was even used. Baba was used to refer to Chinese men and Nyonya was used to refer to foreign woman. So how can they be from "Malay lineage" if both terms specifically refer to foreigners?
I don't know where this idea come from that Peranakans or Baba Nyonya means must have mixed ancestry.
Also, FYI, a Chinese+Malay mix does not make you Peranakan or Baba Nyonya. If today a Chinese marry a Malay, that doesn't make them Peranakan.
Peranakan solely refers to
early settlers of Chinese folks, the first wave of Chinese migration. Because they settled here very early on, they adopted a lot of Malay culture specifically food, language, clothes, etc, but they don't necessarily have to. It has nothing to do marrying Malay woman (or men), but some do intermarry, but MOSTLY they do not. Go look at every photos of Peranakan taken from today or 100 years ago, they all have typical Cina face.
The children of these early Chinese settlers (aka Baba Nyonya) are called Peranakan, hence why the word "anak" in it. That's all. There's no special mixed ancestry or lineage or whatever. most baba nyonya families will have at least 1 malay ancestor(on the female side), i read the book by prof Khoo Kay Kim (a famous historian and a true baba nyonya/peranakan), he mentioned in his book that he have a female malay ancestor when his forefather came to Malaya long long time ago and marry a local malay lady, and his family have record of every generation and passed down to future generations so he get to know about it, and he also mentioned for almost all peranakan families during that time also similar to his forefather married local malay lady because during that time they cannot bring women over to Malaya, and then after some time when things got better then only the later generations have money to bring over women from china and marry them or marry those chinese who just set foot in Malaya during that time
and thus the peranakan culture developed when the 1st gen of the forefathers of peranakans came from china and marry local malays, if those forefathers didnt marry local malay ladies, then the mix of chinese and malay culture will not develop