The Advanced Tactical Fighter (ATF) was a program undertaken by the United States Air Force to develop a next-generation air superiority fighter to replace the F-15 Eagle. The proposed fighter was intended to counter emerging worldwide threats in the 1980s, including Soviet Sukhoi Su-27 and Mikoyan MiG-29 fighters under development, Beriev A-50 airborne warning and control systems (AWACS), and increasingly sophisticated surface-to-air missile systems.


Lockheed Martin ATF Proposal Model 090P (October 1985 / February 1986)





ATF Evolution

gen 6 or gen 7 fighter jet. can it do complex maneuver

Cannot carry meaningful A2G load due to the way the main weapons bay are designed. So limited multirole. It is a specialized air superiority fighter. If multirole capability is part of 5th gen requirement, then the F-22A is not a strict 5th gen.

Lockheed Martin ATF Proposal Model Configuration 1092A, 1092A2, 1092A3 (May 1987)

The News: As of March 2025, the US Air Force selected Boeing to build the successor to the F-22, now designated the F-47 (part of the Next Generation Air Dominance or NGAD program)


this year 2025

F35 followed by F 15 was top sold.
f35 sold 300
f15 sold 150

both proven in gaza wars

This post has been edited by Momo33: Nov 23 2025, 01:24 PM

Malaysia Poor. Cannot Afford Wealthy Nation Defense.

F22 is air superiority not multirole

It already in “UFO” type.

you mean air to air fight i guess.

today this not much important. cos the smart Ai missiles design by some countries are super intelligent .
there is NO escape .once let go ...
the pilot dont need see the enemy plane

decoy flares dont help
90 deg plane turn, dive dont help .


This post has been edited by Momo33: Nov 23 2025, 01:52 PM

the future unfortunately is heading toward unmanned stealth drones with fully-autonomous operation



maybe in 10-20 years.. human pilots would be considered obsolete

Some uni professor never claim Malay teach Lockheed Martin on how to build F22 Raptor ?

Its Truth. The Fact Malaysia never really had defense as sophisticate as Singapore Intelligence. or Israel Intelligence And heavy investment like China; USA and Japan. Korea.

Due to corruption, poor bias defense spending and pool of race managing and defending the country.





This post has been edited by Syie9^_^: Nov 23 2025, 08:34 PM

impossibruuuu ... maverick fly 50 years old punya iranian f14 tomcat also can win 5th gen pak-fa f50

Murica may not be able to afford large numbers of 2 engined fighters.

Big challenge when China build at 20% of murica cost.

YF23 nailed F22

Naval Version : NATF-23 Sea Widow

China is copy shja the design. Of course half the price.
People already did the testing phase (which is most costly) .

You see the new airplane carrier sudah Tau.

Not just that. China labour cost low. Material cost also lower than murica.

Add all production machinery built/made in China. Economies of scale etc all contribute to the much lower cost.

China build one submarine for Thailand US$406m.
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2025/08/2...0%20instalments.

One virginia submarine cost US$9 billion (US don't build conventional sub).
https://news.usni.org/2025/04/30/navy-award...rce-development

China sell 1 LPD to Thailand for US$200m
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/0...lpd-htms-chang/

US build at US$2.4b for 1 (same size somemore).
https://news.usni.org/2024/09/24/ingalls-wi...ibious-warhsips

Same expected to apply for jet fighters but don't have that much external sale data from China.

The Japanese Version Of F-22A Raptor


The Mitsubishi 26DMU is a concept for Japan's next-generation stealth fighter, developed as part of the F-3 project and considered an "unfinished prototype". It was designed to be a single-engine, twin-tail, conventional-configuration aircraft with advanced stealth features like radar-absorbent material (RAM) and an IRST (Infrared Search and Tracking) system. The project also included the development of the IHI XF9 turbofan engine, which was built and tested, and features like internal weapons bays.


Key features of the 26DMU concept

Stealth: Incorporates RAM and a plasma radio wave antenna system to reduce its radar cross-section (RCS).

Engine: A key component of the project was the IHI XF9 engine, a high-thrust afterburning turbofan with 3D Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC).

Avionics: Planned to include an advanced radar with a large detection area, up to four target engagement, two IRST devices, and sensor fusion.

Armament: Designed with four internal weapons bays for both mid-range and short-range missiles, along with an internal cannon.

Prototype status: While not a complete, flying aircraft, various components for the 26DMU, such as the engine, weapons bays, and fuselage parts, were built and tested as part of the overall F-3 project.

Lockheed Martin ATF Proposal Model 090P (October 1985 / February 1986) - Influence In Design For 2025 Generation 5 Jet Fighter