In a way, I do agree that it would help the national team. But are English players really that weak? Weaker than the foreigners? What about players like Wayne Rooney, John Terry, Steven Gerrard and Micah Richards?

Moreover, by limiting foreigners, the already inflated price tag of British based players will eventually increase more, imagine paying 17 million pounds on Darren Bent, 5 million pounds on Michael Chopra, 5 million pounds on David Nugent, will a team eventually be forced to fork out 20 million pounds on a certain Stewart Downing when you can get Ricardo Quaresma for a lesser price tag? Barcelona paid 15 million pounds for Thierry Henry who is arguably the best striker in the world, but Darren Bent who hardly play for England is worth 17 million pounds? Not to forget, Charlton were relegated.

Instead of whinging about the number of foreigners in the league, why can't the players work harder to get into the first team?

True. They can't really put all the blames on "too many foreigners in the league" regarding the national team's performance. Let's use England for example. Their recent starting lineup:



All their starting 11 are the key/core players for their respective clubs and playing week in week out even with foreign players in their respective clubs. Yet they failed to perform up to their usual standard when playing for their country.

It also depends on the young English players whether they are good enough to break into the first team & whether they are given the chance to do so, if they indeed are good enough. If they are not good enough then even without foreign imports, they still not going to make it.

Plus playing alongside players like C.Ronaldo/Kaka/Drogba/etc will only improve their skills/game play/etc.

This post has been edited by alien2003: Nov 15 2007, 05:07 PM

Posted this a few days back.

Its extremely short sighted for anyone to blame the foreigners for the lack of achievement by England team. The England team probably has one of the most gifted players. The trouble England and their coach suffer is how to pool together these bunch of talented players to winning matches. Its not easy having 11 egoistic players on the pitch, each thinking they are the best. The fact is, these players are core players in their respective team, you can't deny that coz if you look at the team, all of the players are perhaps the key players out there.

Also, you can't blame the foreigners when the youth acedemies are not strong enough to produce top class players. Also, by limiting the number of foreigners, its only gonna reduce the standard of the EPL.

I think its a much bigger problem than limiting the foreigners.

Which is why I thought why the English players aren't as skillful or talented as players from Spain and Italy when I first watched football in the mid 90s. Most of them do not care about flair football, it's all about tackles, quick passing and counter attacking football.

One of the few players that attracted me attention then was Gianfranco Zola...missed him though. By the way, Mark Hughes did say that foreigners motivate the local lads with their way of working and their football mentality. Are foreigners that bad by the way?

Let's put it this way, back in the 90's and 80's when the amount of foreign players in the English league was far less than what it was now, the 3 lions didn't exactly set the world on fire with their performance either. In fact i for one think the influx of foreign player and managers changed the technical aspects of the English style of play and game for the better.

But then again, the trend set forth by the Gunners in playing a team without any homegrown British Isle or English players is not a good thing as well in the long term. Like most have said, it a much deeper problem than just foreign imports.

lol....well , seriously i really dont understand why Darren Bent cost 17 million . i was surprise by the amount when i saw it on the net. Maybe because he still young and henry is old ?

Gerrard joins foreign quota calls



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7094812.stm

English players will always be overpriced.
You can only wonder why on the big stage, the English players fail to repeat their match winning performances which they do so often for their respective clubs. The inflow of foreign talents into the local league is not to be blamed. They lighted up the football in the country.
Are the players to be put on the sacrifice altar for mediocre performances in an England shirt? Or is the manager responsible for lacklustre outings on the international stage? I dunno

Question. Why do we care about England's national team?

Didn't you guys heard about the tale about England?

"English players are good in their respective clubs but suck when they put all of them together."

No offense there as I'm England supporter as well, but I don't think foreigner would make such an impact if the Englishmen would hard as hard as foreigner did.

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Added on November 15, 2007, 6:41 pmBecause most of the Malaysian watch EPL.

This post has been edited by Belphegor: Nov 15 2007, 06:41 PM

lets be frank..
why england is not performing?
why the english players are over priced?
why? why? why??
the answer is simple, its because of US.
yes, it is because of us.

we watch english league, the media is OVER highlighting the english players and the english clubs.

the richest club and famous club in tbe world would be Manchester United, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and AC Milan.

4 of the 7 clubs are english clubs.

we walk in the pasar malam, or any shop, the are more jerseys of english clubs than others.

the media is the real reason for the lack in english football...

This is because the money there are spending not only in buying players, but to make sure that WE watch their league.

We are those who put them high up in the sky.

english players, besides playing football, they are also very busy doing commercial ads, and not forgetting their clubbing and night life habit.

Why are we just talking about england doing badly?

Other big countries are also and have failed to reach major tournaments.

but the reason the media, we, and everyone is talking about england is because thats what is shown to us, ENGLISH LEAGUE.

Spanish league, German League, French League dont have much coverage as the english league.

English players are spoon feeded by their clubs, and country and THE MEDIA.

until all those people dont stop spoon feeding them, no one can help to overcome english football..

by limiting the foreign players, wont improve the england team, but it will just reduce the excitement in the english league...

Need someone to blame so better shield up their own and put the blame on to the foreign player.

its bad to have quotas. competition make things better.
my opinion is that we have an example of quotas ruining everything, malaysia.

I realized England had struggle since WC2002. Beckham's free kick against Greece brought them to WC02. I don't think it would be foreigner's problem. Is their own problem.

is this thread gona be a place where we can find england's weakness spot? then if what i say is true, we go on. i oso want to know

Got to agree, and I think the media over there is relentless when things gone slightly wrong. They first build up unrealistic hope when England play well, shower them with praises and hail them as world beaters.

That puts pressure on the players and manager not only to perform each time but also to satisfy these unforgiving bunch...and when they fail...we all know it, the manager's head will be first on the chopping blocks.

Michael Owen have said recently that managing England is 'impossible', and that's not far from the truth.

That's one of the reason why England are in a mess, NOT because of foreign players in the league. The England FA need a long and hard look at themselves, how they develop young talents, their building program, coach selections etc. I think the root of the problems are in there.

This post has been edited by king_z: Nov 15 2007, 08:26 PM

To be honest, I do not give a shite about England. I am just fed up with all the whingings about the quota of the England players in a team. When Stevie G came out with that, that's the last straw. I may be a Liverpool fan, but there are times where I find it hard to agree with our captain. Don't ask me why.

Why can't they compare themselves to leagues such as Italy and Spain? Italy has more world class foreigners and so does Spain, where players like Joaquin, David Villa, Torres, Gattuso, Materrazi....etc exists, they don't come from top clubs at first, but they worked hard and trained hard.

Ever wonder why are there so many flamboyant players from other countries whereas there are only a handful born in England? Even Man Utd had to look for Portugal talents to inject more flair into their squad.

Moreover, when Fabregas, at a tender age of only 17 can break into the first team, I don't understand why can't others? It's no longer about the training facilities or the quality of the academies, it's more about the attitude of the players then.

well said, england ppl tend to overate their players
darren bent score a goal or two and he is the next henry
a little bit of success and they think they are maradona and pele

anyway england are on the eve of missing for euro so gotta bring up something to blame to save their face mah

malaysia also stop imports a few years back but dint see we improve anywhere pun

Agree.

well.. like Arsene Wenger said in recent interview with him.

"I have only been here since 1996 but between 1966 and 1996 you [England] had 30 years without foreign players and you didn't win any more competitions in that time," said the Arsenal manager. "You have done much better since 1996 in the major tournaments, when sometimes you were unlucky.

"If you are in a better class you improve quicker and you shouldn't put the criteria just down to producing local players. You have to put them up to the level of Thierry Henry and take [the number of quality players coming in from abroad] as a chance to produce better English players."




full article here....

quit blaming Arsenal la weh...

Nobody is blaming Arsenal for it, but their way of going almost foreign isn't right IMO. But they have their reasons for it. Read in another forum about this topic and some guy mention that its a lot more to do with the mentality of the people in England. The ones coaching or in charge of the kids/youth teams(12 and under) are the ones to blame. They emphasis more on physical stuff rather than working on techniques. Anyone doing fancy stuff is shot down. And when clubs like ManUtd(Arsenal and Liverpool too I think) propose that kids should play more in smaller groups, they got shot down too by those at the top. Arrogant they say. Another thing is that retarded 90mins rule. They maybe trying to protect the smaller clubs, but why should they restrict the kids/teenagers from joining the a better club where they had more access to better facilities and coaching. They need to start from the bottom, but it'll never change with those in charge still thinking like before.

Rafa proposed that there shuld be a B-side clubs like wat they do in Spain
like Real Madrid B and stuff

could promote youths
but then again....Spain nv won the WC XD

the prob is with the managers la
all also seem to do stupid stuff wan
its like they hav it on contract tat they must play bigname players/make bad decisions

but again there r too much rivalry between the english players of the top clubs
local loyalty n stuff all dowan to cooperate

wat if McClown played an English side without English players of topside XD
everybody happy

heck.. Dunga proved that u can win cups without big names players... Brazil won the Copa without Kaka.. ronaldinho... Ronaldo...

before Dunga came in, who know the likes of Elano.... Ze Roberto... Maicon... Anderson... and many others...

it's the Manager who picked the players.. Dunga went out of his way and picked players unknown for their names but have the skills to work his system.

now why don't Macca did the same? look into the Championship.. and lower division.. u might unearth a gem there...

This post has been edited by sakaito: Nov 16 2007, 03:21 AM

This will create disharmony in the locker room. What will the reserve team player think if they can't get into 1st team just bcoz some bloke is english. Damn them to hell la

england football..just think bout it...most of their players are from the top 3 teams in the league.all 3 of them hate each other like hell..how are they goin to work as a team?

and about producing youngsters...shaun wright phillips touted as the next best thing in the country..where he is right now?does he always play for chelsea week in and week out?does chelsea get the title with him on the flank every week?take a look at former arsenal youngsters such as bentley and pennant..when they were in arsenal they always moan about lack of first team..are they really good to replace ljungberg and pires at that time?they dont even bother to fight for the first team..i think if they have stayed,they can get more than what they have rite now.

for the moment i really have high hope for england u21..with the likes of walcott,scott sinclair,gabriel agbonlahor and fraizer campbell,there is no doubt that they can achieve something in the near future if they were well develope.

y dont we make a poll about this hot topic??

player from top team hate each other ?
spain and italy player also came from their top 4 teams , but they still can work as a team

This post has been edited by zamarano: Nov 16 2007, 12:49 AM

there are Reserve league , reserve FA cup, youth league, not sure is there any youth FA cup in EPL
dont think u is not enuff?

because they dont really hate each other and they still have the national proud in them...english players?

but sometimes i do have sympathy for english layers though.they have the most tight schedules and fixtures with at least 3 titles to chase..other league only have 3 as the most..in fact at spain d king's cup is like a reserve cup..the first team wont play unlike bpl where u can c lampard,rooney and gerrard in fa cup,carling cup,champions league n the league title itself..

Who said so? Lampard and Ferdinand still friends as they came from the same youth system.

Well guys, I think this is not an issue at all. Take a look at Holland. Their league have quite number of local players, but have their national teams achieve anything in the international stage? Same goes to Argentina, their 1st team got beaten soundly in the COPA final by a Brazil reserve.

Seria A has quite number of foreigners too but that doesn't stopped them from winning the World Cup.

For once, I had to agree with Arsene Wenger. It's all about quality. No doubt by implementing this rule more local player will come through but there will be no quality in it.

And the 90mins rule, it is just as absurd as what Platini's idea. It's like closing down the opportunity for potential young players to develop themselves with better clubs.

This post has been edited by O-haiyo: Nov 16 2007, 02:25 AM

now what kind of poll do you propose?

Well..im not sure to limit or not limit foreigners will help the national team..all im concern bout is EPL is an English base League..but nowadays seem like most of the EPL team are using more foreigners than local lads..look at Arsenal,most of the time Wenger will field his starting line up with all 11 foreigners..may be results is all thing tat count today in EPL, as long u win then the board and fans will feel happy and satisfied..but i still wish tat giants teams shud atleast contain or raise up some talented english player

Problem is Reserve league is not competitive. Whereas in Spain The Team B really played in competitive league where they can be promoted to maximum Segunda Liga.
Well singling Arsenal out is not fair. I mean in Newcastle, how many English is in the team, and how many came up from academy? As far as I know, only Owen, Milner, Taylor, to a certain extend Harper. Out of these only Taylor came up from academy.
So the problem is not foreigners but rather the upbringing of English kids where even in age group competition, the priority is win rather than enjoy themselves.

The fact that English players are fooking expensive is well known among us. Rivalry aside, would Newcastle Utd fans be pleased to see the board forking out 20 million pounds on Stewart Downing or would you guys rather spend 18 million pounds on Ricardo Quaresma? Both are hardly close in terms of abilities and it is apparent that every Geordies would go ecstatic if such deal involving Quaresma exists.

It is the mentality of the English players, when foreigners are around you, WORK HARDER to get into the first team. It's a shame that players like Dani Pacheco and Fran Merida are highly rated and are expected to break into the first team at their early age and English players can't. It may also be the lack of awareness about flair as I've stated previously, just how many flair players are there in England nowadays? SWP, Joe Cole, Rooney and Lennon? When teams like Italy and Spain have plenty.

How come teams in Italy and Spain can nurture great talents in lower teams but England? Joaquin came from Real Betis, David Villa from Zaragoza, Luca Toni from Italy, Gennaro Gattuso from Rangers, Materrazi from Everton....etc. Just how many are there in England? Micah Richards, Theo Walcott and Rooney? It's all about the mentality if you ask me.

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Added on November 16, 2007, 11:04 amThe problem with England is that, they can never accept too many changes and yet they love to play the blaming game.

This post has been edited by lilredridinghood: Nov 16 2007, 11:04 AM

May be u guys are right..I cant deny other country might be doing better in nurturing their young talent..so wut is the trend then??Countryhood nearby help to nurture their talent and EPL is resposible to bring them up and help them to become star players??All I meant is EPL shud atleast contain some minimun English players..when opportunity for english players to play increase..directly it will increase the chances for them to discover young and good player then(may be)..

Well..by then may be EPL might not be as interesting as before..may be vreis is right..win and result or to be more accurate..to keep their business running is the most important things nowaday for EPL..this is the drawback i would said...

When there's less challenge, there will also be less motivation to work. Mark Hughes said that the Italians gave them a shock when he was with Chelsea. They gave different attitudes when it comes to training and are well prepared everyday. Can foreigners be that bad anyway? If English can't even beat all these players, why should they even win the World Cup then?

Bottomline is the nurturing of young kids of 11 y.o. onward is totally wrong approach in UK. Normally they emphasis on physical and basic knowledge while neglecting tactical & technical knowledge. And those kids coaches got it wrong in emphasizing on wins rather than educate them properly.
If foreign kids can make it, why can't English kids. They got the same education at clubs academy.

yea its such as waste that with all their talent
they can't go further than 1/4 finals

now it seems nothing beyond group stage
shame on them

stupid excuse to the poor form of England...

if u are good enuf then u got promoted and play for the first team, else u continue to fight for the place...its just as simple as that....

without competition, players form will only get worse instead of improving.........

England players and youngsters should instead step up to the challenge instead of whining for a place......this just shows how hardworking foreign players are and how lazy bum those Englishmen are......

i have a feeling that if england didn't manage to qualify for the EURO 2008 championships, the quota will surely be implemented for the next season.

i remembered a quote from a blogger i think..

"thats why Arsene Wenger put trust on African players where they pray to Allah and play the game instead of the hard partying english man."

p/s:quote maybe different..just remember certain part of it..

they are going to limit number of foreign players...
but maybe they might twist and say tat there must be at least 6 or 7 english qualified players in a team...

It's easy to blame the number of foreigners for England's plight now. But the fact is England have always failed to live up to their hyped up expectations (with the exception of '66 of course). Even way before the influx of foreigners into the English league.

Some quarters have been blaming Wenger which i think is pretty daft. Hasn't it crossed anyone's mind that maybe it isn't that he doesn't favour English talent but more of the fact that most English players aren't good enough technically.

The problem as many ppl have said lies at grassroot levels. Kids are being forced into fixed positions at a young age and all are trained in a rigid 4-4-2 system. They take the enjoyment out of the game by not encouraging them to express themselves technically. Instead priority is given to those that can run nonstop for 90 mins.