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post Jan 18 2016, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Jan 18 2016, 05:27 PM)
Tun.. haha make sure u graduate uni also before thinking all this biggrin.gif
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Young people (not even graduated yet) nowadays thinking about priority banking sweat.gif

After graduate then what ? Setup private investment banker home office ? thumbup.gif
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post Mar 11 2017, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 11 2017, 02:42 PM)
According to a wealth report, less than 0.5% of adults in this country has over us$1m net worth. To be a private bank customers, one need to have minimum us$1m liquid assets with the bank. Those who has this liquidity tend to diversify their risks. Many foreign banks could offer their private bank service offshore.

showtime747 like to correct above or add more on private bank?
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post Apr 27 2018, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 24 2018, 04:54 PM)
after repeated haggling by tiger bank, finally moved my butt to join their "wealth" status, previously known as aspire.

no welcome gift.
although RM seems enthusiastic enough.

pushing for an endowment plan that seems quite interesting though.

capital of say RM32k per annum for 6 years.
first 6 years get RM4k per annum.
subsequently next 14 years get RM8k or so.

anyway long story short, pay total of 32kx6 years = approx 192k

get back over 20 years period = 142k interest guaranteed

insurance if unclaimed, 50k guaranteed at end of period or balance left if there's claim
unguaranteed bonus estimates rm90k at the end of period.

so guaranteed return = 192k (total return) / 192k (total vested) / 20 years
5% p.a?
better than fd if one discount the compounding interest effect.
but again they give rm8k yearly by year 7 with total capital of rm192k, still approx 4% already.

bonus is on the unguaranteed bonus?

good deal kah?

and really dissapointed that there's no welcome gift.
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Fei Mau, if I understand what you mean is :

Year 0 -32k
Year 1 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 2 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 3 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 4 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 5 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 6 +4k
Year 7 +8k
Year 8 +8k
Year 9 +8k
Year 10 +8k
Year 11 +8k
Year 12 +8k
Year 13 +8k
Year 14 +8k
Year 15 +8k
Year 16 +8k
Year 17 +8k
Year 18 +8k
Year 19 +8k
Year 20 +8k + 50k + 142k = +200k

The the IRR (ie. compound interest) is 4.0425%

Conclusion : crap investment. Better off put in FD with special offer, you get more return + flexibility to access the fund

Like others said, these type of endowment plans are crap.




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post Apr 27 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Apr 27 2018, 11:26 AM)
the only non guaranteed portion is the 90k.
guaranteed return is 4x6 + 14x8 + 50 = 186k

186k/192k / 20 years = 4.8%
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What ? Not 142k, but 90k ? Not guaranteed somemore ?

Year 0 -32k
Year 1 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 2 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 3 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 4 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 5 -32k + 4k = -28k
Year 6 +4k
Year 7 +8k
Year 8 +8k
Year 9 +8k
Year 10 +8k
Year 11 +8k
Year 12 +8k
Year 13 +8k
Year 14 +8k
Year 15 +8k
Year 16 +8k
Year 17 +8k
Year 18 +8k
Year 19 +8k
Year 20 +8k + 50k + 90k = +148k

Then the IRR (ie. compound interest) is 2.8288%

In return, you give free gift to the bank biggrin.gif

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post Apr 28 2018, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 28 2018, 01:40 PM)
why dont put some in UT and some in P2P ? the return is even higher.
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Actually, almost anything else is better biggrin.gif
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post Oct 7 2018, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Oct 7 2018, 06:03 AM)
I am interested to invest in bonds (not bond fund). I understand these are more commonly available to PB members. Which banks are best for this opportunity? Currently I have normal banking accounts at Maybank, PBB and Ambank. I can easily become PB of any of these. Other banks will require new account opening.
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Malaysia PB has limited range of products.

Go Singapore. Better range, risk choice, and services
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QUOTE(drbone @ Oct 7 2018, 11:21 AM)
Care to elaborate? Or where can I read up further?
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I don’t think it is available in their website or any public domain. The RM will have all the information. You tell him/her your preference and they will pick from their wide range for your consideration

For private bonds, they have not only local companies, but a lot of well known ones in different market and curriencies.

For structured products, the have many variances (eg. Autocall with memory effect step down monthly 1-2% and ranges from 20-50% ki ko in much wider industries selection and different risk return capital guaranteed or otherwise etc)

Also wide range of equity and financing private placement

Trust and insurance services which I have not heard of from my RM in Malaysia

And I must say I am only eligible to part of their offerings. I am sure those products in the hundreds of millions USD my RM don’t even bother to let me know sweat.gif
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post Oct 7 2018, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Oct 7 2018, 12:55 PM)
Which bank(s) is your PB? I am only intereted in local banks, and not abroad, even if not much bond choices. In any case, I probably can't afford to invest in only one or two issues due to the minimum amounts.
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I have 4 local banks. But for investment products, I used none of them.

I recommend Sg banks to you simply because you said you can easily meet the local PB AUM amount. So, if you can, go Sg instead of My.


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post Oct 7 2018, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Oct 7 2018, 01:22 PM)
Just to re-align, let me repeat my question:

I am interested to invest in bonds (not bond fund) in Malaysia. I understand these are more commonly available to PB members. Which banks are best for this opportunity?

It is like asking which broker best to buy stocks. Not an exact science, just looking for opinions, so I can narrow down my PB list.
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I think bond is different from share broker.

As far as I know, bond is underwritten by a bank (or syndicated banks). So, a bond from a company may be available for us to buy from only those bank/syndicated banks which underwrites it.

Whereas once you open an account with a stock broker, you can buy all the counters in that market. So, for a broker, they offer same products for you to buy.

On the other hand, for bonds, not all banks offer each and every bonds in issue

That's why I said choices, range, risk return are important consideration for PB. If you go with a bank, during a certain period, they may not have the bond that suits you.
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post Oct 7 2018, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Mattrock @ Oct 7 2018, 02:25 PM)
Thanks for the replies.
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Take iceman’s advice. Go to different banks next week and ask what each bank can offer for private bonds currently.

Then choose the bond you like and open PB with that bank.

Currently the bond on offer by local banks I know off my head is CIMB RM1b bond A1 rating at around 5+%. Good thing about this bond is it is uncallable

Then there is Ecoworld RM600m bond which offer 6+%.

Collect all the info on bond on sale, then pick the ones you like.

For your case, if you already open a PB with one bank only realise there are not much choices on bond issue, then you are stuck with that bank.
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post Oct 7 2018, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 7 2018, 05:04 PM)
Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and JP Morgan are very active in i.b side of business, have plenty of bond to offer.
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I am getting out of touch with malaysian PB. Which banks in malaysia are distributors for these issuers ? What about European IB like UBS and Soc Gen ? Japanese ?
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post Oct 22 2018, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 21 2018, 12:36 PM)
46,702 UHNW and HNW individuals collectively only amount to 0.2 per cent (not even the proverbial 1 per cent) of the 21.372 million adults in Malaysia.

The remaining 99.8 per cent Malaysian adults have a wealth that either touches or falls below US$1 million (RM4.16 million), with the bulk or 60.6 per cent with wealth below US$10,000, while 36.2 per cent have wealth of US$10,000-US$100,000, and three per cent at the higher wealth range of US$100,000-US$1 million.

Malaysia also has a relatively high Gini index value of 82 per cent based on the wealth distribution patterns among Malaysian adults, which suggests high wealth inequality.

https://www.malaymail.com/s/1685061/malaysi...-whos-wealthier
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To qualify as HNW individual, one only need to have US$1m. I don't believe Malaysia has only about 46000 HNW and UHNW people.

And there are only about 7000 malaysian with US$5m and above.

Just take a look around you. There are so many SME bosses which earn millions each year. With a PE of 20, they alone already worth >US$5m.

For property owners, one medium size industrial property of 1/2 acre is already above RM4m. Heck, even some shophouse in PJ, Damansara, Subang Jaya already cost at least that. There are so many industrial parks and shophouses in Klang Valley alone.

For around Malaysia, look at the land and plantation. I am quite sure a person with just 50-100 acre is worth more than RM4m. For good musang king durian plantation, even 10 acres is already worth more than RM4m.

Not to mention many rich politicians and those who cari makan under them. Our late minister JJ alone has RM2b his family are fighting for in court now.

So I take a look at the methodology of the report. And i found out that they follow 3 steps to estimate the data :

1. Establishes the average level of wealth for each country
2. Constructing the pattern of wealth holdings within nations
3. Makes use of the information in the Forbes world list of billionaires to adjust the wealth distribution pattern in the highest wealth ranges

Details in the Introduction :

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For #1 and #2, when I read further down on the data, I found out that there is no Wealth Level Data and Household Balance Sheet (HBS) for Malaysia, unlike the other countries (including Singapore) with "complete" and "incomplete" data. For "incomplete" data, even Thailand has those data. Malaysia has zero data. So, for Malaysia the data is just a guesstimate

And it is acknowledged on page 21, the "wealth data quality" for Malaysia is classified as "poor".

So I think there are more "hidden millionaires" than the numbers estimated in the report. For those who have >US$5m, don't be too happy to be 1 of the only 7000 in Malaysia. There must be more than 7000 biggrin.gif The survey is flawed and Credit Suisse acknowledge it. I will treat the report as a "syok sendiri" and leisure read...






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post Oct 22 2018, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(cfkoon @ Oct 22 2018, 04:19 PM)
I'm sure lots of people will be happy to be >$US5m , regardless whether you are only 1 of 7000 or 1 of 70000.  nod.gif
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Disagree. Rich people’s mentality is different.

Why rich people buy expensive watch, car, golf club, branded bags ? Are these items 10-20 times better than other cheaper items ? No, it’s because they are rare and not many people can afford. The feeling “one up” over you

Why we have this thread and many people here proudly boast about free car park, coffee and dedicated leng lui RM (instead of sharing the bank products with good returns) ? Because not many people can become priority bank customers, but they can. Again, the feeling of “one up” over you

The feeling of elite and special is what they after. If you tell them, they will definitely feel happier with 1/7000 compare to 1/70000

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Oct 22 2018, 09:56 PM)
Just a few random comments.

1. I think too optimistic to assign P/E 20 to sdn Bhd, even those established ones.

2. Those shops, factories, land, houses above USD1mil -

    - Many are not clean.
    - even if clean, many are joint names or more likely          held by sdn Bhd which has many shareholders
    - even if clean, the bulk of these props are below usd1mil in value, except big lands or factories or prime shops.. this reduces further the quantity of owners worth usd1mil and above
  - many are held by the few rich tycoons/uncles ... there are people holding more than 50 expensive props... many are held by billionaires privately which already counted in the list ... many held by public listed companies ...in other words overlapping ...

I think given all these and given that I also think there is likely to be underestimation but MAYBE not by much. I think I will double the estimate to arrive at the estimated estimate .. ha ha.. so maybe 14,000 people with net worth above usd5mil

Just rambling ya..
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Your 14000 estimation is as good as credit suisse’s 7000 biggrin.gif

Without official data compilation from a country, it could be any numbers
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post Oct 23 2018, 06:26 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 23 2018, 05:00 AM)
Credit Suisse is specialized in investment banking and wealth management, understand about hnw and uhnw include undeclared wealth better than most. Wealth data compiled by them may not accurate to single decimal point or 10% variance but certainly more reflective than nitpicking syok sendiri analyst.

High gini index and high households debt attributed to lower than expected hnw individuals in this country.
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Numbers compiled with “poor wealth data quality” give poor estimation

While numbers compiled with “good wealth data quality”, like singapore and other oecd countries give realiable estimation

Credit Suisse acknowledged malaysia’s Wealth data quality is poor
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post Oct 23 2018, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 23 2018, 05:06 AM)
Market value and net worth is two different matters. With high households debt and high gini index, it is not hard to believe fewer than expected hnwi.

How many % of personal banking clients qualified for priority/privilege?
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My RMs in Singapore fly to Malaysia 1-2 times every month. There are a few teams in the the bank which service overseas clients. I understand all the Sg banks do that. From there you can see there are soo many rich people in Malaysia. They may not be PB customers in malaysia, but they could be PB customers in overseas banks


 

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