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post Oct 29 2025, 05:08 PM, updated 4w ago

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Disclaimer: Just treat this as a summary of the document for reading, and an analysis of the potential impact, perhaps just the worst case scenario. And ignore the "unprecedented" wordings etc, since it does not have context on other deals that other countries that may have recently signed which could also include similar terms. Don't get too attached or bothered by any specific sentence kek. Don’t take any of this as fact. Feel free to discuss and argue, none of this is my opinion and I may not agree with everything here either.

Any artistic ktard want full text instead can read here
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statem...ciprocal-trade/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploa...25/10/final.pdf

Comprehensive Analysis: US-Malaysia Reciprocal Trade Agreement
From Malaysia's Perspective

This agreement represents a significant and asymmetric commitment by Malaysia to the United States, with far-reaching implications for Malaysian sovereignty, economic policy, and regional relationships.

Executive Summary

Bottom Line: This is an exceptionally demanding agreement that requires Malaysia to make extensive, binding commitments across tariffs, regulations, labor, environment, digital trade, and national security, while receiving primarily tariff relief (reduced from what would otherwise be punitive reciprocal tariffs). Malaysia essentially agrees to align its regulatory, security, and economic policies with US preferences in exchange for market access.

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DETAILED ANALYSIS BY SECTION

1. TARIFFS & MARKET ACCESS

Malaysia's Obligations:
- Tariff elimination on many US goods through various staging categories (immediate, 5-year, 9-year phase-outs)
- Tariff-Rate Quotas (TRQs) on sensitive products:
- Live swine: 28,783 heads/year (duty-free)
- Pork: 500,000 kg/year, growing 1% annually
- Dairy (milk/cream): 2 million liters/year, growing 1% annually
- Eggs: 1 million eggs/year, growing 1% annually
- Excise duty reform: Must apply lowest ICE vehicle excise rate to ALL US vehicles regardless of engine size
- Tax exemption: Must exempt US agricultural/seafood products from Sales and Services Tax (SST)

Malaysia Receives:
- US reciprocal tariff capped at 19% ad valorem (instead of higher rates under Executive Order 14257)
- For scheduled goods: tariffs waived entirely

Analysis:
- Revenue loss: Eliminating SST on US agricultural products and reducing excise duties on US vehicles will reduce government revenue significantly
- Domestic industry exposure: Local automotive, agriculture, and dairy industries face increased competition without protective barriers
- Cultural/religious sensitivity: TRQs on pork products, while limited, may face domestic opposition given Malaysia's Muslim-majority population
- Benefit: Avoids more punitive US tariffs, maintains export competitiveness in US market

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2. NON-TARIFF BARRIERS: REGULATORY SOVEREIGNTY SIGNIFICANTLY CONSTRAINED

This section represents perhaps the most intrusive elements of the agreement:

Technical Standards & Conformity Assessment

Malaysia must:
- Accept US or international standards for conformity assessment without additional requirements
- Accept US compliance procedures
- Automatically accept FDA approvals for medical devices and pharmaceuticals as sufficient for Malaysian market authorization
- Accept MDSAP audits without additional requirements
- Accept electronic FDA certificates (no hardcopies, apostilles, or wet signatures)
- NOT require periodic re-authorization for US pharmaceuticals unless safety concerns arise
- Accept US Good Manufacturing Practice inspections without Malaysian re-inspection

Impact:
- Loss of regulatory independence: Malaysia essentially cedes pharmaceutical and medical device regulation to the FDA
- Safety concerns: If FDA standards differ from Malaysian needs, Malaysia has limited recourse
- Domestic pharmaceutical industry: Malaysian manufacturers must meet same standards but compete with US firms enjoying streamlined approval

Agriculture & Food Safety

Critical provision (Article 2.6.1): "Malaysia shall recognize that the U.S. sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) measures and other measures for food and agricultural products...adopted or maintained by the U.S. government satisfy the requirements of Malaysia's measures"

This means:
- Automatic acceptance of US food safety standards
- Must accept USDA/FSIS certifications without additional inspection
- Cannot require additional facility registration beyond US lists
- Must recognize US regionalization decisions for animal diseases (HPAI, ASF)
- Must accept US MRLs (Maximum Residue Levels) where Malaysia hasn't established its own
- Must recognize US as "providing at least the same level of protection" for dairy safety

Additional requirements:
- Cannot require SPS certificates for import permits
- Must accept US biotechnology products with facilitated assessment
- Must manage Low-Level Presence (LLP) events without unnecessary delay
- Must accept US halal certifiers designated by JAKIM (without additional requirements)
- Within 15 months: must complete ASF regionalization agreement
- Within 180 days: must decrease HPAI regionalization to county level

Analysis:
- Sovereignty erosion: Malaysia effectively surrenders authority to set its own food safety standards
- Public health risk: If US standards are less stringent, Malaysian consumers may be exposed to products they wouldn't otherwise allow
- WTO compatibility concerns: This may violate Malaysia's WTO rights to set own SPS measures
- Enforcement limitations: Malaysia cannot suspend US products for MRL violations except after "multiple instances" and only against the specific entity

Halal Requirements

- Cannot require halal certification for industrial goods (cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, medical devices)
- Must accept US halal certifiers designated by JAKIM without additional requirements

Impact: Reduces Malaysia's authority over halal standards, potentially controversial domestically

Motor Vehicles

- No import caps allowed on US vehicles
- Must accept vehicles meeting US FMVSS and emissions standards without additional testing
- Must accept US compliance procedures

Impact: Opens market to US automakers, threatens Proton/Perodua and Malaysia's automotive industrial policy

Geographical Indications

- Must ensure "common name" defense for cheese and meat terms (Annex II lists 39 cheese types and 10 meat types like parmesan, feta, prosciutto, etc.)
- Extensive requirements limiting GI protection that would restrict US products

Impact: Limits Malaysia's ability to recognize European GIs that might restrict US generic products

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3. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY: EXTENSIVE COMMITMENTS

Immediate obligations:
- Provide "robust" IP protection
- Effective civil, criminal, and border enforcement including online
- Prioritize criminal enforcement against copyright/trademark infringement

Two-year deadline to ratify/accede:
- Geneva Act (Hague Agreement) - Industrial Designs
- UPOV 1991 - Plant Variety Protection
- Brussels Satellite Convention
- Patent Law Treaty
- Singapore Trademark Law Treaty

Analysis:
- Higher protection standards than currently required under WTO TRIPS
- Enforcement costs: Significant resources needed for border enforcement and criminal prosecution
- Balance concerns: May limit access to affordable medicines, seeds, and technology
- Benefit: Attracts US investment in IP-intensive industries

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4. DIGITAL TRADE: SIGNIFICANT RESTRICTIONS ON DIGITAL POLICY

Malaysia must:
- NOT impose digital services taxes discriminating against US companies (in law or fact)
- Ensure cross-border data flows "across trusted borders"
- NOT require technology transfer, source code access, or localization as condition for market entry
- Consult US before entering digital trade agreements with other countries
- NOT impose customs duties on electronic transmissions
- Remove 6% revenue contribution requirement for US social media/cloud providers
- Repeal directive redirecting DNS traffic to local services

Analysis:
- Revenue loss: Cannot tax digital services (major revenue source in digital economy)
- Data sovereignty concerns: Must allow cross-border data flows, limiting control over citizen data
- Security concerns: DNS directive repeal may have been intended for cybersecurity
- Digital economy development: Cannot use local content requirements to develop domestic digital industry
- Foreign policy constraint: Must consult US before other digital agreements

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5. SERVICES: AUTOMATIC MFN CLAUSE

Article 2.7: Any services commitment Malaysia makes to any third country automatically extends to the US

Exception: ASEAN agreements excluded

Analysis:
- Extremely broad: Malaysia loses ability to offer better terms to strategic partners
- Precedent-setting: Locks Malaysia into most-liberal treatment for US across all future agreements
- Strategic constraint: Limits negotiating leverage with other partners (EU, UK, China, etc.)

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6. LABOR: SUBSTANTIAL REFORMS REQUIRED

Immediate (within 2 years):
- Import ban on forced labor goods (may acknowledge US Section 307 determinations)
- Amend Trade Unions Act 1959 to allow migrant workers to hold union office
- Implement Industrial Relations Act regulations on sole bargaining rights
- Prohibit recruitment fee charging to workers
- Increase transparency on migrant worker quotas and MOUs

Ongoing:
- Protect internationally recognized labor rights
- Not weaken labor protections (including in SEZs/EPZs)
- Train officials on forced labor identification
- Increase inspections in high-risk sectors
- Inform migrant workers of their rights

Analysis:
- Positive for workers: Improved labor protections, especially for migrant workers
- Implementation costs: Significant resources for enforcement, training, inspections
- Business impact: Higher labor costs, especially in electronics/manufacturing/palm oil sectors
- Competitiveness concern: May reduce cost advantage vs. Vietnam, Bangladesh
- Sovereignty: US essentially determines which entities are using forced labor (Section 307 list)

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7. ENVIRONMENT: EXTENSIVE COMMITMENTS

Malaysia must:
- Combat illegal logging and associated trade
- Implement anti-corruption plan for forestry officials
- Establish independent forestry oversight body
- Fully implement WTO Agreement on Fisheries Subsidies (ignoring Article 12 grace periods)
- Reform fisheries subsidies
- Take steps toward ratifying Port State Measures Agreement (PSMA)
- Implement CITES reporting for pangolins and other Appendix I species
- Combat illegal wildlife trade
- Promote resource efficiency and critical mineral recovery from waste

Analysis:
- Positive: Addresses real environmental problems (illegal logging, IUU fishing, wildlife trafficking)
- Implementation costs: Substantial resources for enforcement, monitoring, institution-building
- Sovereignty concerns: US effectively gains oversight over Malaysian environmental policy
- Fisheries subsidies: May disadvantage Malaysian fishing industry vs. competitors

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8. ECONOMIC & NATIONAL SECURITY: MOST SIGNIFICANT SOVEREIGNTY IMPLICATIONS

This section is extraordinary in its scope:

Article 5.1: Complementary Actions

Critical provision: If the US imposes any customs duty, quota, prohibition, fee, or restriction on a third country for "economic or national security" reasons, Malaysia must adopt equivalent measures or agree to an implementation timeline.

Specific requirements:
- Adopt measures against third-country companies in Malaysia that:
- Export below-market goods to the US
- Increase exports to US
- Reduce US exports to Malaysia
- Reduce US exports to third countries
- Adopt measures equivalent to US shipbuilding/shipping protections

Analysis:
- Automatic alignment: Malaysia must essentially adopt US sanctions/trade restrictions
- Loss of independent foreign policy: Cannot maintain different relationships with countries the US targets
- Third country risk: If this targets China (likely), Malaysia faces enormous economic consequences
- Extraterritorial application: US domestic policy becomes Malaysian policy

Article 5.2: Export Controls & Sanctions

Malaysia must:
- Cooperate through multilateral export control regimes
- Align with ALL unilateral US export controls
- Ensure Malaysian companies don't "backfill or undermine" US controls
- Cooperate to restrict transactions with entities on:
- US BIS Entity List
- OFAC SDN List
- OFAC Consolidated Sanctions List
- Explore establishing investment screening for national security
- Screen and share customs/transaction data on US-origin items
- Adopt measures to prevent violations of US export controls
- Strengthen civil and criminal penalties for violations

Analysis:
- De facto sanctions compliance: Malaysia must enforce US sanctions even without UN authorization
- China implications: Entity lists heavily target Chinese tech companies (Huawei, SMIC, etc.)
- Business disruption: Malaysian companies trading with listed entities face restrictions
- Data sharing: Sovereignty concerns about sharing commercial data with US authorities
- Competitive disadvantage: Malaysian firms can't access technologies Chinese competitors can

Article 5.3.4: Nuclear Restrictions

Malaysia "shall not purchase any nuclear reactors, fuel rods, or enriched uranium from certain countries" except where no alternatives exist

Analysis:
- Clearly targets China and Russia
- Limits Malaysia's energy options
- May increase costs if alternatives more expensive

Article 5.3.3: FTA Termination Clause

If Malaysia enters FTA with country that "jeopardizes essential U.S. interests," the US may terminate this agreement and reimpose reciprocal tariffs

Analysis:
- Major constraint on trade policy: Effectively gives US veto over Malaysia's FTA negotiations
- China implications: Would likely trigger if Malaysia pursued FTA with China
- RCEP concern: While RCEP already exists, deeper integration might trigger this

Article 5.2: Equipment and Platform Security

Malaysia commits:
- Only use communication suppliers that don't compromise "security, safeguards, and intellectual property"
- US and Malaysia will "consult on whether suppliers are unable to meet these standards"
- Ensure ports, terminals, logistics networks, and commercial fleet use platforms with "appropriate cybersecurity protection" and "protection against data-access by other foreign governments"

Analysis:
- Huawei/ZTE exclusion: This effectively requires removing Chinese telecom equipment
- Significant costs: Replacing existing infrastructure is extremely expensive
- 5G/6G implications: Limits Malaysia's 5G options, potentially slowing deployment
- Port operations: May require replacing Chinese port management systems (implications for Port Klang, etc.)
- US consultation: US gets effective veto over equipment choices

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9. COMMERCIAL CONSIDERATIONS & STATE-OWNED ENTERPRISES

Malaysia must ensure SOEs:
- Act according to commercial considerations
- Don't discriminate against US goods/services
- Receive no non-commercial assistance (except for public service obligations)

Upon US request:
- Provide non-confidential information on subsidies to manufacturing enterprises
- Take action to address distortive impacts

Analysis:
- SOE constraints: Limits industrial policy tools (affects Petronas, TNB, Khazanah portfolio, etc.)
- Subsidy transparency: US gains insight into Malaysian industrial policy
- Policy space reduction: Cannot use SOEs for strategic development objectives as freely
- Competitiveness: May limit ability to support national champions

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10. INVESTMENT & PURCHASES: MASSIVE COMMITMENTS

Investment in US (Article 6.1.3):
Malaysia must facilitate approximately USD 70 billion in job-creating investment in the US over 10 years

Analysis:
- Capital outflow: USD 7 billion/year leaves Malaysia for US investment
- Opportunity cost: Capital not invested in Malaysian development
- "Facilitate" language: Some ambiguity, but clear expectation
- Domestic impact: May face criticism for prioritizing US jobs over Malaysian jobs

Purchases Commitment (Annex IV):

Total value: Over USD 300 billion over 5 years

Specific commitments:
1. Boeing aircraft: 30 aircraft + 30 options (MAG)
2. Security equipment: USD 67 million
3. LNG: 3 MTPA (USD 2.04 billion/year) + potential 2 MTPA more
4. Semiconductors, aerospace, data center equipment: USD 150 billion (2025-2029)
- Semiconductors: USD 103 billion
- Aerospace: USD 3.5 billion
- Data centers: USD 43.5 billion
5. Coal: USD 42.55 million/year (TNB)
6. Telecom: USD 119 million (Telekom Malaysia)

Analysis:
- Largest commitments in history: USD 150 billion procurement over 5 years is unprecedented
- Trade balance impact: Massive increase in imports from US
- Binding nature: While framed as "intends" and "facilitate," clear political commitment
- SOE involvement: Government-linked companies (MAG, Petronas, TNB, TM) bearing burden
- Economic logic concerns: Are these purchases at market rates? Do they serve Malaysia's needs?
- Alternative suppliers: Malaysia commits to US suppliers even if others offer better terms
- Currency risk: All in USD, exposing Malaysia to exchange rate fluctuations
- Strategic dependence: Creates long-term dependency on US suppliers

Semiconductor purchases particularly significant:
- USD 103 billion = Malaysia's entire semiconductor exports to US for multiple years
- Likely requires Malaysian semiconductor companies to buy US equipment/materials
- May conflict with supply chain diversification strategies

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11. GOOD REGULATORY PRACTICES: PROCEDURAL CONSTRAINTS

Malaysia must (at central government level):
- Publish all laws, regulations promptly online
- Publish proposed regulations with impact analysis
- Conduct public consultations with adequate time
- Give reasonable notice of planned regulations
- Use high-quality data and evidence
- Use international standards where appropriate
- Conduct regulatory reviews
- Use regulatory impact analysis

Analysis:
- Transparency: Generally positive for business predictability
- Administrative burden: Significant resources needed for impact analyses and consultations
- Regulatory delay: May slow ability to respond to emerging issues
- International standards: Could be used to challenge regulations favoring domestic interests

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12. ENFORCEMENT & TERMINATION

Enforcement (Article 7.4):
- Nothing constrains either party from imposing additional tariffs for:
- Unfair trade practices
- Import surges
- Economic or national security
- Other reasons consistent with domestic law
- Parties should consult before taking action (when practicable)

Termination (Article 7.5):
- Either party may terminate with 180 days notice

Analysis:
- US retains all tools: US can still impose Section 232, 301, antidumping, countervailing duties
- Asymmetric: US has much greater capacity to use these tools than Malaysia
- Consultation not required: "When practicable" gives wide discretion
- Termination: Relatively short notice period given depth of commitments

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STRATEGIC IMPLICATIONS FOR MALAYSIA

1. US-China Decoupling

This agreement clearly positions Malaysia in the US camp of the emerging bipolar world order:

- Cannot use Chinese telecom equipment (5G/6G)
- Cannot buy Chinese nuclear technology
- Must align with US export controls (targeting China)
- Must cooperate with US sanctions lists (heavily focused on China)
- Must adopt equivalent measures when US restricts third countries (China)
- Risk of agreement termination if FTA with China

Consequences:
- China is Malaysia's largest trading partner (USD 98+ billion in 2024)
- BRI participation constrained: Belt and Road projects may face scrutiny
- ASEAN centrality challenged: Malaysia must choose sides, undermining ASEAN neutrality
- Economic retaliation risk: China may respond to Malaysia's alignment with US
- Regional leadership loss: Malaysia historically championed non-alignment

2. ASEAN Relations

Potential tensions:
- Sets precedent other ASEAN members may resist
- May complicate ASEAN consensus-building
- Undermines "ASEAN centrality" in regional architecture
- MFN clause (except ASEAN) creates two-tier relationship

RCEP implications:
- RCEP (includes China) still exists, but deeper integration might trigger US termination clause
- Creates contradictory obligations

3. Domestic Political Considerations

Potentially controversial elements:
- Pork imports: TRQs on pork products in Muslim-majority country
- Loss of sovereignty: Agreement gives US significant influence over Malaysian policy
- Halal issues: Reduced Malaysian authority over halal certification
- Capital outflow: USD 70 billion investment in US while Malaysia needs development capital
- Job concerns: Purchase commitments support US jobs; impact on Malaysian employment
- SOE constraints: Limits government's ability to use economic tools for development
- Labor costs: Higher labor standards increase business costs

Democratic legitimacy:
- No information about parliamentary approval process
- Rushed timeline (October 2025 signature, entering force 60 days after notification)
- Public consultation appears minimal

4. Economic Development Impact

Positive:
- Access to US market without punitive tariffs (19% cap vs. potentially higher)
- Potential technology transfer through US investment (though restricted by IP provisions)
- Regulatory harmonization may attract other foreign investment
- Labor and environmental standards may improve ESG profile

Negative:
- Regulatory space constrained: Cannot use industrial policy tools freely
- SOE limitations: Reduces development policy instruments
- Domestic industry exposure: Automotive, agriculture, potentially manufacturing face increased competition
- Revenue loss: SST exemptions, lower excise duties reduce fiscal resources
- Capital outflow: USD 7 billion/year investment in US
- Trade deficit: Massive purchase commitments
- Technology dependence: Must use US-approved suppliers

5. Alternative Options Not Pursued

Malaysia appears to have foregone alternatives:

- Deeper ASEAN integration: Could have prioritized RCEP deepening
- China FTA: Now essentially precluded
- EU FTA: MFN clause means any EU concessions automatically go to US
- Multilateral approach: Could have worked through WTO rather than bilateral deal
- Coalition building: Could have joined other countries in resisting US reciprocal tariffs

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RISK ASSESSMENT

High Risks:

1. Chinese economic retaliation: Export restrictions, tourism decline, investment withdrawal
2. Enforcement burden: Malaysia may lack resources to implement all commitments
3. Domestic backlash: Cultural, religious, sovereignty concerns
4. US policy changes: New administration might demand more or terminate agreement
5. WTO violations: Some provisions may violate Malaysia's WTO commitments
6. Technology lock-in: Forced equipment changes create long-term dependencies
7. Fiscal impact: Revenue losses may strain government budget
8. Competitiveness decline: Higher labor/environmental costs without offsetting benefits

Medium Risks:

1. ASEAN fragmentation: Other members may resent Malaysia's special deal
2. Investment diversion: Other countries with similar agreements may attract FDI instead
3. Supply chain disruption: Forced changes to suppliers may cause production issues
4. Regulatory capture: US standards may not suit Malaysian context

Lower Risks:

1. Food safety incidents: Relying on FDA could expose Malaysians to unsafe products
2. Data security breaches: Cross-border data flows create vulnerabilities
3. Labor unrest: Higher standards might trigger enforcement actions

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COMPARISON TO OTHER AGREEMENTS

This agreement is more demanding than:

- USMCA (US-Mexico-Canada): Less labor/environment requirements for advanced economies
- KORUS (Korea-US FTA): More balanced, less security alignment required
- US-Japan Digital Trade Agreement: Narrower scope
- CPTPP: Malaysia already party; this goes much further on security alignment

Similar to:
- Australia-US alliance arrangements: Similar security/technology alignment expected
- But Australia is treaty ally; Malaysia is not

Unprecedented elements:
- Security alignment clause (Article 5.1): Must adopt equivalent measures to US
- Automatic MFN for services: Any third-country deal extends to US
- Massive purchase commitments: USD 300+ billion over 5 years
- Investment in partner country: USD 70 billion in US

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LEGAL & INSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS

WTO Compatibility Questions:

1. SPS Agreement: Automatic acceptance of US standards may violate right to set own SPS measures
2. GATS (Services): MFN clause creates discrimination against non-FTA partners
3. GATT Article I: MFN violations in goods
4. Article XXIV (FTA exception): Must cover "substantially all trade" - unclear if met

Constitutional Questions:

- Does automatic adoption of US measures (Article 5.1) unconstitutionally delegate legislative power?
- Does sharing enforcement data with US violate privacy protections?
- Does agreement require constitutional amendment (probably not, but significant policy surrender)

Implementation Challenges:

Malaysia must amend/enact/implement:
- Trade Unions Act 1959
- Industrial Relations Act 1967
- Multiple environmental laws (forestry, fisheries, wildlife)
- Export control regulations (entirely new regime)
- Investment screening mechanism (new)
- Customs procedures for TRQs
- Pharmaceutical/medical device approval processes
- Halal certification processes
- Tax laws (SST exemptions, excise duty changes)
- SOE governance rules

Timeline pressures:
- Entry into force: 60 days after legal procedures completed
- Multiple 2-year deadlines
- Some obligations immediate upon entry into force

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BENEFITS TO MALAYSIA

Despite the extensive obligations, there are benefits:

Market Access:
- Avoided punitive tariffs: 19% cap vs. potentially much higher reciprocal tariffs under EO 14257
- Competitive advantage over others: If other countries face higher US tariffs
- Export stability: Protects Malaysia's USD 53 billion in exports to US (2024)

Regulatory Harmonization:
- Business predictability: Clear rules reduce uncertainty
- Quality standards: May elevate Malaysian manufacturing standards
- Investment attraction: Regulatory clarity may attract FDI

Labor & Environmental Improvements:
- Worker protections: Meaningful improvements for migrant workers
- Environmental benefits: Addresses real problems (illegal logging, IUU fishing)
- ESG profile: Improved standing with international investors

Security Cooperation:
- Defense trade streamlined: Article 5.3.1
- Intelligence sharing: Implicit in export control cooperation
- ACSA renewal: Acquisition and Cross-Servicing Agreement
- Communications interoperability: New CISA MOA commitment

Strategic Relationship:
- Closer US ties: Enhanced diplomatic, economic, security relationships
- Hedge against China: Reduces dependence on single major partner
- Technology access: May gain access to advanced US technologies (though restricted by export controls)

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CONCLUSION: COST-BENEFIT ASSESSMENT

For Malaysia, this agreement represents:

A strategic choice to align closely with the United States in exchange for market access, accepting substantial constraints on sovereignty, policy autonomy, and regional relationships.

Core Trade-off:

Malaysia Gives:
- Regulatory sovereignty (food, drugs, environment, digital)
- Foreign policy autonomy (must align with US security measures)
- Trade policy flexibility (MFN clause, FTA restrictions)
- Industrial policy space (SOE constraints, technology restrictions)
- Fiscal resources (tax exemptions, purchase commitments)
- Capital (USD 70 billion investment in US)
- Strategic flexibility (forced US-China choice)

Malaysia Gets:
- Access to US market (avoiding punitive tariffs)
- Capped reciprocal tariff at 19%
- Preferential treatment vs. countries without similar agreements
- Closer US relationship (security, diplomatic, economic)

Is It Worth It?

Arguments FOR the agreement:

1. No alternative: If US was determined to impose reciprocal tariffs, this may be the best Malaysia could get
2. Export protection: USD 53 billion in US exports is significant (8-9% of Malaysia's GDP)
3. Electronics sector critical: Malaysia's semiconductor/electronics exports to US need protection
4. Strategic hedge: Reduces over-dependence on China
5. Standards upgrade: Forces beneficial reforms (labor, environment)
6. First-mover advantage: Better terms than countries negotiating later

Arguments AGAINST the agreement:

1. Disproportionate: Obligations far exceed market access benefits
2. Sovereignty loss: Unprecedented surrender of policy autonomy
3. China risk: Jeopardizes relationship with largest trading partner
4. Alternatives existed: Could have coordinated with ASEAN, pursued WTO challenge
5. Purchase commitments: USD 300+ billion not economically justified
6. Long-term lock-in: Creates dependencies difficult to reverse
7. Regional isolation: Undermines ASEAN centrality, non-alignment tradition
8. Domestic costs: Revenue loss, industry exposure, political backlash
9. Asymmetric enforcement: US retains all trade remedy tools; Malaysia constrained

Alternative Assessment:

What if Malaysia had NOT signed?

- Face reciprocal tariffs under EO 14257 (likely 20-30%+ given trade deficit)
- Potentially devastating impact on electronics exports (50%+ of exports to US)
- Competitive disadvantage vs. countries with agreements
- Risk of investment diversion to Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia

But Malaysia would have retained:
- Policy sovereignty
- Strategic flexibility with China
- ASEAN leadership
- Ability to pursue alternative trade agreements
- Fiscal resources
- Domestic political stability

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RECOMMENDATIONS (From Malaysian Perspective)

If this agreement proceeds, Malaysia should:

Implementation Strategy:

1. Sequencing: Implement least controversial provisions first to build support
2. Capacity building: Invest heavily in regulatory, enforcement capacity
3. Stakeholder engagement: Extensive consultation with business, labor, civil society
4. Communication: Clear public messaging on benefits and necessities
5. Monitoring: Establish robust systems to track compliance and costs

Risk Mitigation:

1. China dialogue: Proactively engage China to explain rationale, minimize retaliation
2. ASEAN coordination: Work within ASEAN to prevent fragmentation
3. Escape clauses: Use termination provision if costs exceed benefits
4. Sunset reviews: Regular assessments of agreement's impact
5. Safeguards: Make full use of retained trade remedy rights

Maximizing Benefits:

1. Investment promotion: Actively attract US FDI to balance capital outflows
2. Technology absorption: Leverage closer ties for technology transfer
3. Services exports: Use MFN clause to enhance services exports to US
4. Standards advantage: Market Malaysian products globally as meeting US standards
5. Workers abroad: Negotiate improved treatment for Malaysians in US

Strategic Positioning:

1. Maintain ASEAN engagement: Don't abandon regional relationships
2. Diversify beyond US-China: Pursue EU, UK, Middle East ties
3. Preserve flexibility: Interpret obligations narrowly where possible
4. Build coalitions: Work with like-minded countries on shared concerns

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FINAL VERDICT

From Malaysia's perspective, this is a highly asymmetric agreement that sacrifices significant sovereignty and policy autonomy for market access to the United States.

The agreement's value depends entirely on one's assessment of:

1. How punitive US alternatives would have been (if very punitive, this is a good deal)
2. How much Malaysia values US relationship vs. maintaining non-alignment
3. Whether the economic benefits outweigh sovereignty costs (highly debatable)
4. Whether China will retaliate (critical unknown)
5. Whether implementation is feasible (extremely challenging)

This appears to be an agreement born of necessity rather than opportunity - Malaysia chose to accept extensive obligations to avoid even worse outcomes under US reciprocal tariff policy.

Historical significance: This may mark a fundamental shift in Malaysian foreign policy from non-alignment toward explicit US alignment, with profound long-term implications for Malaysia's role in ASEAN and the broader Indo-Pacific region.

The true cost will only be known over time as implementation proceeds and regional dynamics evolve, but on its face, this is one of the most demanding trade agreements any developing country has signed in recent decades.

This post has been edited by DogeGamingPRO: Oct 29 2025, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(DogeGamingPRO @ Oct 29 2025, 05:08 PM)
Historical significance: This may mark a fundamental shift in Malaysian foreign policy from non-alignment toward explicit US alignment, with profound long-term implications for Malaysia's role in ASEAN and the broader Indo-Pacific region.
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nah, Malaysia is playing both sides in the bigger picture.

if look only at this agreement of course the AI view also biased.
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I don't often say wall of text but this takes the cake.
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QUOTE(ipohps3 @ Oct 29 2025, 05:16 PM)
nah, Malaysia is playing both sides in the bigger picture.

if look only at this agreement of course the AI view also biased.
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Well this analysis is purely based on the agreement text, of course it won't have wider context in terms of the bigger picture

Just sekadar untuk reading
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post Oct 29 2025, 05:21 PM

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In conclusion malaysia sold to US...bye bye
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So basically the deal favours US heavily
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Msia fked.
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Winners:

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2. Banggala
3. Nons
4. semiconductor industry
5. Sanusi and other Ranger Raptor fans

Losers:

1. J1kam
2. BMX
3. CCP
4. Chynaman bosses
5. Proton/perodua

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In conclusion, Malaysia got ass fucked by Donald Duck..😅😅
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Why all negative? No positive?

Very one sided view.

All Malaysian will drive US (LHS) steering?
All Malaysian will be forced to eat pork?

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Deiiiiii.........lazy cybertrooper using AI for his job.
Spouting AI slop nonsense here
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good information.
as what this analysis summarized, this is an agreement born of necessity rather than opportunity.

If Malaysia does not want to risk reciprocal tariffs, GDP (8-9% of total Malaysia GDP) impact, negative impact on semiconductor industry, lost of competitiveness against other countries in the region for US investment.
This agreement has to be signed for long term outlook.
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QUOTE(Aparaa @ Oct 29 2025, 05:31 PM)
Why all negative? No positive?

Very one sided view.

All Malaysian will drive US (LHS) steering?
All Malaysian will be forced to eat pork?
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More beneficial for USA, got pro and cons.

Malaysia needs to play both side, keeping both USA and China happy. Both of them are major economic contributors to Malaysia.
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Oct 29 2025, 05:32 PM)
Deiiiiii.........lazy cybertrooper using AI for his job.
Spouting AI slop nonsense here
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Topkek I wish I was getting paid

This is purely generated based on the exact text of the agreement and all the annex, appendix etc.

Armchair analysts here in /k won’t have time or effort to read the whole thing anyway (even read this post also TLDR already lol)

How is this slop? That word way overused now lol

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mahai .. TLDR
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US get Malaysia, can indirect sound China on that 9 dash line in future, as can be seen US provide malaysia with defense equipment
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Erm USA cars aren't exactly reliable.

why threaten proton & perodua?

unless you buy mustang or their pick up trucks



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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Oct 29 2025, 05:41 PM)
Erm USA cars aren't exactly reliable.

why threaten proton & perodua?

unless you buy mustang or their pick up trucks
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Maafkan AI dunno the full context about proton and perodua topkek

Ppl here will still buy anyway not much effect if give some benefit to US cars

Just use this as summary of the full document, the analysis just for reading only don’t take as 100% accurate

Also, just ignore some of the "unprecedented" wordings used, because it doesn't have context of the other deals that US has already signed with other countries recently, which could include similar terms.

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QUOTE(Aparaa @ Oct 29 2025, 05:31 PM)
Why all negative? No positive?

Very one sided view.

All Malaysian will drive US (LHS) steering?
All Malaysian will be forced to eat pork?
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U sure the last one is accurate? Lol
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Definitely have to look advantageous towards the US, the US is basically leveraging on their huge consumer demand to squeeze other countries. Unless you don't need the US business then can always follow China's footsteps.. On paper the agreement sure sided US alot, but to be fair most of the things we are obligated to purchase such as Chips, LNG, Aircraft are already needed and in the pipeline, we just included them into the agreement to make it look beneficial to the US, but actually beneficial to us as we don't need to go through 3rd party such as Singapore for the chips.
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So later how much would a delicious USA tomahawk steak cost at restaurant?
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Definitely have to look advantageous towards the US, the US is basically leveraging on their huge consumer demand to squeeze other countries. Unless you don't need the US business then can always follow China's footsteps.. On paper the agreement sure sided US alot, but to be fair most of the things we are obligated to purchase such as Chips, LNG, Aircraft are already needed and in the pipeline, we just included them into the agreement to make it look beneficial to the US, but actually beneficial to us as we don't need to go through 3rd party such as Singapore for the chips.
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we should have fought for latex glove and furniture industry also
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QUOTE(GOPI56 @ Oct 29 2025, 05:34 PM)
More beneficial for USA, got pro and cons.

Malaysia needs to play both side, keeping both USA and China happy. Both of them are major economic contributors to Malaysia.
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China won't be happy see this deal: that is for sure
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from us consumers wise, just dont buy US products as much as we can lo. Try not to buy US cars. Try not to buy US food products. Whenever see a US brand, try to see if can find alternatives before finally purchasing. Those services, tech stuffs and softwares really no choice la. But physical goods and products, for me personally, I'll try my best to stay away from US and Europe. Just don't like the white people mentality that think we Asians are still colonised by them and that we still live on top of the trees. Don't like them to think and behave like they are more superior to us. I meant, this is just personal and ramblings from me smile.gif
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this i agree. like the Boeing aircrafts, i know personally that our national airlines already committed to buy Boeing planes in upcoming years. They already made the bookings in advance way before Trump started this whole tariffs thing. But then Trump would want that to be included and called out in the deal, all these to make him looks more successful and he is winning.
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QUOTE(DogeGamingPRO @ Oct 29 2025, 05:38 PM)
Topkek I wish I was getting paid

This is purely generated based on the exact text of the agreement and all the annex, appendix etc.

Armchair analysts here in /k won’t have time or effort to read the whole thing anyway (even read this post also TLDR already lol)

How is this slop? That word way overused now lol
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Exactly known as AI slop.
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Oct 29 2025, 06:05 PM)
this i agree. like the Boeing aircrafts, i know personally that our national airlines already committed to buy Boeing planes in upcoming years. They already made the bookings in advance way before Trump started this whole tariffs thing. But then Trump would want that to be included and called out in the deal, all these to make him looks more successful and he is winning.
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PMx sure want to fight for aircraft industry, a lot of GLC is doing this business
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Oct 29 2025, 06:03 PM)
from us consumers wise, just dont buy US products as much as we can lo. Try not to buy US cars. Try not to buy US food products. Whenever see a US brand, try to see if can find alternatives before finally purchasing. Those services, tech stuffs and softwares really no choice la. But physical goods and products, for me personally, I'll try my best to stay away from US and Europe. Just don't like the white people mentality that think we Asians are still colonised by them and that we still live on top of the trees. Don't like them to think and behave like they are more superior to us. I meant, this is just personal and ramblings from me smile.gif
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rest assured, it's not just u who has that viewpoint and stance smile.gif
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Oct 29 2025, 06:03 PM)
from us consumers wise, just dont buy US products as much as we can lo. Try not to buy US cars. Try not to buy US food products. Whenever see a US brand, try to see if can find alternatives before finally purchasing. Those services, tech stuffs and softwares really no choice la. But physical goods and products, for me personally, I'll try my best to stay away from US and Europe. Just don't like the white people mentality that think we Asians are still colonised by them and that we still live on top of the trees. Don't like them to think and behave like they are more superior to us. I meant, this is just personal and ramblings from me smile.gif
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for me, their soya bean/oat drink, beef, vegetables, fruits and cereals will be cheaper.

USA cars not exactly reliable. I don't think they will give our local industries a run for our money.

Hobby toys may come in cheap. bicycles, Trek. Hey I am eyeing on this one.
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QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Oct 29 2025, 06:12 PM)
for me, their soya bean/oat drink, beef, vegetables, fruits and cereals will be cheaper.

USA cars not exactly reliable. I don't think they will give our local industries a run for our money.

Hobby toys may come in cheap. bicycles, Trek. Hey I am eyeing on this one.
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back then when i was doing audit, i know top importers of soy bean and those grains stuffs into malaysia, mainly take from South America countries. Now if US given advantages to bring into Malaysia, hopefully the South American will go and lower their prices and start a price war. cheap cheap, good for us, more options and choose the best deal.
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although US imports come in without duty and tax, they're no pointing a gun at your head to buy.

traders will still compare prices between US Beef and Argentina Beef. Atm Argentina beef sedap and murah
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The impact is going to be minimal unless it's a specialised area like high-tech equipment. Realistically, who going to buy pork imported from US or even afford it. I mean I like Bacon, dont get me wrong but how much and often can you eat it. Also, American cars? lol... big engine with big gas consumption with big expensive spare parts. Lastly, with Malaysian sentiment being "against" US, even though there are compromises, it wont move the needle by a lot.
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Exactly known as AI slop.
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The impact is going to be minimal unless it's a specialised area like high-tech equipment. Realistically, who going to buy pork imported from US or even afford it. I mean I like Bacon, dont get me wrong but how much and often can you eat it. Also, American cars? lol... big engine with big gas consumption with big expensive spare parts. Lastly, with Malaysian sentiment being "against" US, even though there are compromises, it wont move the needle by a lot.
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Yea it’s just analysis on the potential impact anyway, kinda like worst case scenario based on the agreement.

How it actually plays out will depend on the circumstance of course
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Oct 29 2025, 06:15 PM)
back then when i was doing audit, i know top importers of soy bean and those grains stuffs into malaysia, mainly take from South America countries. Now if US given advantages to bring into Malaysia, hopefully the South American will go and lower their prices and start a price war. cheap cheap, good for us, more options and choose the best deal.
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dunno.

if they r cheap we would have bought from them long ago
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Better SUPPORT LOCAL BRANDS whenever possible. This is a WAKE UP CALL. Buying theirs is putting food on their table & helping them stay afloat while crashing our own..
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So how many here boycott and throw away their iPhones, stop using Netflix, Twitter, Facebook, Whatsapp, Waze, Google, Windows, stop using computer, or stop buying food owned by Coca-Cola and PepsiCo?

Talk is always cheap.
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TDS flaring up.
If you don't buy US products then we don't lose SST income.

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no wonder he was dancing
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so banggla and rohinya can have their union, with US help to pressure the Gov?

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the crappy Buy muslim first need to disband ?

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QUOTE(Sam Loo @ Oct 29 2025, 05:30 PM)
Winners:

1. US
2. Banggala
3. Nons
4. semiconductor industry
5. Sanusi and other Ranger Raptor fans

Losers:

1. J1kam
2. BMX
3. CCP
4. Chynaman bosses
5. Proton/perodua
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Nons where got win, other than pork import from the US?
No mention of NEP also...
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Oct 29 2025, 05:32 PM)
Deiiiiii.........lazy cybertrooper using AI for his job.
Spouting AI slop nonsense here
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In fact the AI have been preprogrammed to make it look balanced 🤦‍♀️ hence they know that ppl these days are lazy to read and comprehend

The impacts are from more severe when it hits for sure as the outflow is more than in flow itself

QUOTE(gundamsp01 @ Oct 29 2025, 05:33 PM)
good information.
as what this analysis summarized, this is an agreement born of necessity rather than opportunity.

If Malaysia does not want to risk reciprocal tariffs, GDP (8-9% of total Malaysia GDP) impact, negative impact on semiconductor industry, lost of competitiveness against other countries in the region for US investment.
This agreement has to be signed for long term outlook.
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It is not necessity 🤦‍♀️ because there is no mention or obligation that US companies will invest in Malaysia in the 1st place

Unlike in Japan and South Korea American companies CEO are heading there to bolster Trump for major investments and cooperation headlined by NVIDIA CEO himself

QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Oct 29 2025, 05:56 PM)
we should have fought for latex glove and furniture industry also
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Latex Glove and some furniture components are in there under the annex documents
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Nons where got win, other than pork import from the US?
No mention of NEP also...
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Alcohol also potentially cheaper.

Easier for nons in F&B business with halal cert also as there will be more products that will be approved due to less stricter checks.
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Oct 29 2025, 07:43 PM)
In fact the AI have been preprogrammed to make it look balanced 🤦‍♀️ hence they know that ppl these days are lazy to read and comprehend

The impacts are from more severe when it hits for sure as the outflow is more than in flow itself
It is not necessity 🤦‍♀️ because there is no mention or obligation that US companies will invest in Malaysia in the 1st place

Unlike in Japan and South Korea American companies CEO are heading there to bolster Trump for major investments and cooperation headlined by NVIDIA CEO himself
Latex Glove and some furniture components are in there under the annex documents
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facepalm guy, it is about reciprocal tariff.
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sebab tu Trump sanggup joget ... ada satu orang sudah agree macam2 .. tahniah rakyat Malaysia
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lol. american car nobody wanna buy. no tax also nobody will buy.
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I think that was probably the easiest item to concede for the negotiation team. Topkek
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Importing eggs from USA seems unrealistic though. How did they transport those to Malaysia? Sea voyage takes how long or are they going to store it in aircon room on the ship? But it is just 1 million eggs/year, I guess it probably finishes in less than one day since we have 33 millions people.

"Align with ALL unilateral US export controls"

So cannot trade with Russia now since USA is sanctioning them?

"Nuclear power option"

I always say if you want to make USA happy, just get nuclear generation tech from them and ask them to run it fully as well so that local people won't screw it up, like "missing cable". tongue.gif

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umobile is being screwed now because the news said they wanted to use Huawei to build the 2nd 5G infra. Meanwhile, Maxis who was seemingly being screwed earlier by getting stuck in holding the bag for the 1st 5G infra, now do not have to worry about this.

That's why wise man said, 塞翁失馬 焉知非福

https://intlnadine.org/2025/07/30/%E5%A1%9E...the-lost-horse/

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Alcohol also potentially cheaper.

Easier for nons in F&B business with halal cert also as there will be more products that will be approved due to less stricter checks.
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We got Carlberg factory in Shah Alam, and Heineken factory in Klang. We don't import a lot of alcoholic drinks from USA.
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We got Carlberg factory in Shah Alam, and Heineken factory in Klang. We don't import a lot of alcoholic drinks from USA.
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If alcoholics can be imported tax free due to trade deal from USA, all local factories will chap lap because beers are very cheap there compared to here.

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Tldr so just read executive summary. We are screwed...or rather we got screwed

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Importing eggs from USA seems unrealistic though. How did they transport those to Malaysia? Sea voyage takes how long or are they going to store it in aircon room on the ship? But it is just 1 million eggs/year, I guess it probably finishes in less than one day since we have 33 millions people.

"Align with ALL unilateral US export controls"

So cannot trade with Russia now since USA is sanctioning them?

"Nuclear power option"

I always say if you want to make USA happy, just get nuclear generation tech from them and ask them to run it fully as well so that local people won't screw it up, like "missing cable". tongue.gif
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Walaun already make their detail ANALysis in Tik tok

30 second tik tok video duration about US Malaysia trade agreement is more than enough to convince them to vote PuAS

Just make sure there is enough of the same or similar video flood your tik tok fyp

Then walaun will come into conclusion and say "majority rakyat Malaysia tolak PMX"
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Oct 29 2025, 07:43 PM)
In fact the AI have been preprogrammed to make it look balanced 🤦‍♀️ hence they know that ppl these days are lazy to read and comprehend

The impacts are from more severe when it hits for sure as the outflow is more than in flow itself
It is not necessity 🤦‍♀️ because there is no mention or obligation that US companies will invest in Malaysia in the 1st place

Unlike in Japan and South Korea American companies CEO are heading there to bolster Trump for major investments and cooperation headlined by NVIDIA CEO himself
Latex Glove and some furniture components are in there under the annex documents
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really ?

not subject to 19% ?
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If alcoholics can be imported tax free due to trade deal from USA, all local factories will chap lap because beers are very cheap there compared to here.
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Then there will be job loss for nons.

In any case, there are already so many drunk driving cases. Too much cheap beer isn't a good thing.
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In conclusion malaysia sold to US...bye bye
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No matter wut, the open burning has happened long before. Keep on burning those rubbish scraps.

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for me, their soya bean/oat drink, beef, vegetables, fruits and cereals will be cheaper.

USA cars not exactly reliable. I don't think they will give our local industries a run for our money.

Hobby toys may come in cheap. bicycles, Trek. Hey I am eyeing on this one.
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QUOTE(callmecool @ Oct 29 2025, 06:15 PM)
back then when i was doing audit, i know top importers of soy bean and those grains stuffs into malaysia, mainly take from South America countries. Now if US given advantages to bring into Malaysia, hopefully the South American will go and lower their prices and start a price war. cheap cheap, good for us, more options and choose the best deal.
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for those not familiar with US agriculture and food related stuff
let me share some insight to all forumer here


for beef alot country has BANNED US beef due to use of growth hormones and antibiotic in U.S. livestock, technically australian beef has less trace of antibiotic and hormone in them.
(so now you know what you should buy)

for chicken also BANNED due to the chicken is rinsed with disinfectants, including chlorine.

for soya bean /oat BANNED is alot place due to GMO (genetically modified organism) seed , the reason is the seed company sold farmer every season a new batch of seed so that
they can earn alot money from it, if you replant the seed from the last batch of harvest you will get at least 30% less harvest thus causing you lose money.
not to mention US soyabean are more expansive then south america neighbor

for cereal , US food regulation is much worst then you think , they put alot BANNED substance such as Synthetic food dyes in it so that this kind of process food look much more colorful and vibrant


the above mention are LEGAL is US state but not everywhere in the world , even EU banned those product.
if you saw the same brand that available in US or EU chance are the ingredient list for both of them are not the same.


so dont think everything from US is a good thing.








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QUOTE(Sam Loo @ Oct 29 2025, 07:49 PM)
Alcohol also potentially cheaper.

Easier for nons in F&B business with halal cert also as there will be more products that will be approved due to less stricter checks.
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Alcohol won’t be cheaper 🤦‍♀️ even they remove sales tax there is still excise and custom duties in place which is why alcohol price is high in Malaysia particularly hard spirits which is US bourbon

QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Oct 29 2025, 09:17 PM)
really ?

not subject to 19% ?
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Not across the board straight line 19%

1711 Malaysian products is exempted while the rest will be tariff at baseline 19% and potentially can be higher if there is sectoral tariff in place when export to US

So don’t be fooled when BMX admit to foreign press today that 19% tariff is still high and they unable to negotiate against US to lower 15%
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QUOTE(katsumoto2011 @ Oct 29 2025, 10:59 PM)
for those not familiar with US agriculture and food related stuff
let me share some insight to all forumer here
for beef alot country has BANNED US beef due to use of growth hormones and antibiotic in U.S. livestock, technically australian beef has less trace of antibiotic and hormone in them.
(so now you know what you should buy)

for chicken also BANNED due to the chicken is rinsed with disinfectants, including chlorine.

for soya bean /oat  BANNED is alot place due to GMO (genetically modified organism) seed , the reason is the seed company sold farmer every season a new batch of seed so that
they can earn alot money from it, if you replant the seed from the last batch of harvest you will get at least 30% less harvest thus causing you lose money.
not to mention US soyabean are more expansive then south america neighbor

for cereal , US food regulation is much worst then you think , they put alot BANNED substance such as Synthetic food dyes in it so that this kind of process food look much more colorful and vibrant
the above mention are LEGAL is US state but not everywhere in the world , even EU banned those product.
if you saw the same brand that available in US or EU chance are the ingredient list for both of them are not the same.
so dont think everything from US is a good thing.




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Ford mustang 2.3L should be within 200k if it's really minimal duty tax like 10%

for 5.0L , it should not be more than 350k...

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QUOTE(katsumoto2011 @ Oct 29 2025, 11:59 PM)
for those not familiar with US agriculture and food related stuff
let me share some insight to all forumer here
for beef alot country has BANNED US beef due to use of growth hormones and antibiotic in U.S. livestock, technically australian beef has less trace of antibiotic and hormone in them.
(so now you know what you should buy)

for chicken also BANNED due to the chicken is rinsed with disinfectants, including chlorine.

for soya bean /oat  BANNED is alot place due to GMO (genetically modified organism) seed , the reason is the seed company sold farmer every season a new batch of seed so that
they can earn alot money from it, if you replant the seed from the last batch of harvest you will get at least 30% less harvest thus causing you lose money.
not to mention US soyabean are more expansive then south america neighbor

for cereal , US food regulation is much worst then you think , they put alot BANNED substance such as Synthetic food dyes in it so that this kind of process food look much more colorful and vibrant
the above mention are LEGAL is US state but not everywhere in the world , even EU banned those product.
if you saw the same brand that available in US or EU chance are the ingredient list for both of them are not the same.
so dont think everything from US is a good thing.


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talk BS is easy from youtubers.

Do you have/or seen any scientific study proof that US Beef is unhealthy due to hormones ??
surely there will be study to proof this ??

i only support / believe if there is proof . evidence . test etc.
the same can be said for China agri food s or Msia agri right ..










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QUOTE(katsumoto2011 @ Oct 29 2025, 10:59 PM)
for those not familiar with US agriculture and food related stuff
let me share some insight to all forumer here
for beef alot country has BANNED US beef due to use of growth hormones and antibiotic in U.S. livestock, technically australian beef has less trace of antibiotic and hormone in them.
(so now you know what you should buy)

for chicken also BANNED due to the chicken is rinsed with disinfectants, including chlorine.

for soya bean /oat  BANNED is alot place due to GMO (genetically modified organism) seed , the reason is the seed company sold farmer every season a new batch of seed so that
they can earn alot money from it, if you replant the seed from the last batch of harvest you will get at least 30% less harvest thus causing you lose money.
not to mention US soyabean are more expansive then south america neighbor

for cereal , US food regulation is much worst then you think , they put alot BANNED substance such as Synthetic food dyes in it so that this kind of process food look much more colorful and vibrant
the above mention are LEGAL is US state but not everywhere in the world , even EU banned those product.
if you saw the same brand that available in US or EU chance are the ingredient list for both of them are not the same.
so dont think everything from US is a good thing.




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Oh I see, we are screwed.

No USA sirlion steak for me
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Alcohol won’t be cheaper 🤦‍♀️ even they remove sales tax there is still excise and custom duties in place which is why alcohol price is high in Malaysia particularly hard spirits which is US bourbon
Not across the board straight line 19%

1711 Malaysian products is exempted while the rest will be tariff at baseline 19% and potentially can be higher if there is sectoral tariff in place when export to US

So don’t be fooled when BMX admit to foreign press today that 19% tariff is still high and they unable to negotiate against US to lower 15%
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that's why I said: Latex glove and furniture export industry are screwed, because its not in the 1711 products exempted.


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that's why I said: Latex glove and furniture export industry are screwed, because its not in the 1711 products exempted.
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Oh yeah just realised that gloves and wood sectors are on different tariff scheme which is sectorial tariff which in fact Canada is particularly facing hard time negotiating with US on it
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Oh yeah just realised that gloves and wood sectors are on different tariff scheme which is sectorial tariff which in fact Canada is particularly facing hard time negotiating with US on it
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My friends at glove sector cursing their luck

for 35 years, they been doing so damn well

invested in properties, shares, bitcoin all over the world with so much extra monies

now their luck has ended.

China will find a way to surcumvent the 19% and make it cheaper to export to USA.

but they made their money, its time for them to retire, cut their losses (close down their factories here) and buy big houses overseas and move their family.
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My friends at glove sector cursing their luck

for 35 years, they been doing so damn well

invested in properties, shares, bitcoin all over the world with so much extra monies

now their luck has ended.

China will find a way to surcumvent the 19% and make it cheaper to export to USA.

but they made their money, its time for them to retire, cut their losses (close down their factories here) and buy big houses overseas and move their family.
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Your friend is lucky at least last a generation of wealth building and still can make a fortune

The thing is with glove to get very to 0% tariff possible because if the glove itself 99% is not rubber based is still able to get away by paying 19% on the 1% rubber content which I am sure your friend competition Hartalega is looking into it
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So. when Simi Barbie open Chevy/Ford/Dodge dealership? We need alternative to small overpriced Japanese pickup.
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All those agricultural related agreement has very low quantity, I doubt it will make any differences to our market. The key push is actually to require Malaysia to follow USA food standard and cannot ban purchase for any official reason. But it is still up to individual importers to decide from where they want to import. It probably just means importers get to choose from cheap USA import if there is no demand for USA food produces. Importers will still surely choose cheaper import elsewhere if USA import still ends up more expensive.

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that's why I said: Latex glove and furniture export industry are screwed, because its not in the 1711 products exempted.
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Good for them in the long run. They cannot depend on potentially flip flop policy forever. Also, USA is asking a lot of concessions there might come to a point in the future, government will just give up and glove and furniture exporters will still be left to fend for themselves. For every concessions made, other Malaysians are potentially footing the bills for the benefit for them. More compulsory purchases means more taxes in the future otherwise where to get money? Everyone is paying for the benefit of a few, you know. unsure.gif

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So. when Simi Barbie open Chevy/Ford/Dodge dealership? We need alternative to small overpriced Japanese pickup.
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Other than Ford, the others brand's RHD model are almost non-existence.
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Other than Ford, the others brand's RHD model are almost non-existence.
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Hopefull they'll develop RHD models of F150, Silverado, Ram.
Hilux spec kosong no reverse camera also they want Rm120k. These stupid pricing need to stop.
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Your friend is lucky at least last a generation of wealth building and still can make a fortune

The thing is with glove to get very to 0% tariff possible because if the glove itself 99% is not rubber based is still able to get away by paying 19% on the 1% rubber content  which I am sure your friend competition Hartalega is looking into it
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all my friends at latex industry enjoice. Until now.

I have one sales friend, she often travel all over the world, south america, USA, Europe to promote their rubber products.

I am surprised only during covid, CCP realized how lucrative it was and they joined in the bandwagon.
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QUOTE(marvinben @ Oct 30 2025, 09:48 AM)
Hopefull they'll develop RHD models of F150, Silverado, Ram.
Hilux spec kosong no reverse camera also they want Rm120k. These stupid pricing need to stop.
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QUOTE(marvinben @ Oct 30 2025, 09:48 AM)
Hopefull they'll develop RHD models of F150, Silverado, Ram.
Hilux spec kosong no reverse camera also they want Rm120k. These stupid pricing need to stop.
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RhD of F150 is through Thailand assembly Silverado and ram will have to wait but I am sure through Thailand assembly plant

QUOTE(hoonanoo @ Oct 30 2025, 10:47 AM)
all my friends at latex industry enjoice. Until now.

I have one sales friend, she often travel all over the world, south america, USA, Europe to promote their rubber products.

I am surprised only during covid, CCP realized how lucrative it was and they joined in the bandwagon.
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CCP join earlier but they cannot secured the raw material itself because for some reason Malaysian rubber have properties makes it very flexible for gloves and even now Thailand have to get the sapling from it

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RhD of F150 is through Thailand assembly Silverado and ram will have to wait but I am sure through Thailand assembly plant
CCP join earlier but they cannot secured the raw material itself because for some reason Malaysian rubber have properties makes it very flexible for gloves and even now Thailand have to get the sapling from it
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Msia no longer plant rubber trees.

Most rubber are imported from India or Thailand.

actually no need rubber, Msia success is mostly due to Nitrile gloves
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Msia no longer plant rubber trees.

Most rubber are imported from India or Thailand.

actually no need rubber, Msia success is mostly due to Nitrile gloves
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Malaysia still produces rubber 🤦‍♀️ as Thailand, Indonesia and Malaysia account for about 70 percent of global supply of rubber, with Malaysia now a distant third behind Indonesia and Thailand.

Crude oil is used to produce synthetic rubber, and natural rubber prices are linked to the cost of its synthetic counterpart.

But now with Vietnam scalability Malaysia might have drop off 4th
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ALL POSITIVE one

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(unless you are crony or monopoly from past gomen )

and

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If alcoholics can be imported tax free due to trade deal from USA, all local factories will chap lap because beers are very cheap there compared to here.
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beer cheap here too only islamists want to tax kau kau

of course all the people with actual power are islamists

not about import , export stuff

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lol. american car nobody wanna buy. no tax also nobody will buy.
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kena force to buy izit ?
lol
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c price lor .
cbd conti (with import tax) vs cbd usa (w/o tax) vs cbd japan (w import tax)

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Book smart but kene game by Amrika. Tak bleh pakai to lead the nation...Next!






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Bangang betul Zafrul ni. Very very disappointing performance.

Book smart but kene game by Amrika. Tak bleh pakai to lead the nation...Next!

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Other than Ford, the others brand's RHD model are almost non-existence.
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I thought we used to have Chevy in Malaysia ?

But American cars wont sell well here. Other than Ford , the rest love their big displacement push rod engines too much. Nobody wanna pay for a 6L truck roadtax here. And Ford F150 cant even fit most of our public parking lots.
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QUOTE(ornehx @ Oct 29 2025, 11:25 PM)
So that's was their plan. Start with their unhealthy food, make us become couch potatoes, watch their woke tv shows, use their outdated tech. Become lazy and oversized then have to buy their f150. Then get sick and have to use their meds.
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aiya you think malaysian think like US people ???

their unhealthy food is not even popular in malaysia , tell me how many family you see eat cereal as breakfast ??? how many people eat donut everyday ???
we malaysia have better local option then those american food.

the F150, you think how many malaysian can effort the roadtax ?
only rich dude will buy that shit , average malaysian will pick hilux , navara , trition instead

and for medicine , you think is cheap to use those latest US patent high end shit ?
before your average malaysian can effort those drug , all already go government hospital
if you can effort go to private hospital then only got chance will get those drugs


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talk BS is easy  from youtubers.

Do you have/or seen  any  scientific  study proof that  US  Beef  is  unhealthy due to hormones ??
surely  there will be study  to  proof this ??

i only support / believe if there is  proof .  evidence . test  etc.   
the same can be  said for China  agri  food s or Msia agri  right ..
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you stupid enough not to google us beef ban , since 1989 EU ban US beef
this dispute last for more then 20 years , US even bring this to WTO to fight the case out

you want the so call proof evidence go here PAY THE MONEY and get the report that you want
FROM THE HOLY GRAIL of all medical studies

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/a...5075-3/abstract




 

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